John Bedini's Magnetic Model

[min2oly]

Hi Elmar,
one of the reasons I like your thought on using super poles for this build is partially what Tom is talking about and I was also re-reading the old WindowMotor yahoo group. John talked about needing to use ceramic magnets, getting away from the neo's. He also mentioned the geometry on the windowmotor kits rick sold was all wrong. My ceramic build was always the closest to unity.

It makes sense that he called this a toy motor. He had not perfected it yet. When I read the old group you can tell he was still experimenting with it. He mentions getting his build down to 15mA's. To be honest, I would be surprised if he ever got one of his windowmotor builds to overunity or even unity. I can't remember if I ever heard him say he did. Anyone....?
-Patrick

Thanks to all of your contributions.

I understand now, in the book I mentioned: "The Magnetic Window Motor", 1971 from John Bedini, in the 40 pages there are only three pages about the motor with the ball rotor. Neos are used here, mounted on an iron sleeve.

The window coils are mentioned and a circuit diagram is given, no wire thickness or approximate length of wire given.

JB also calls it a toy motor - I start building parts of it, like the ball rotor - for fun.

Meanwhile I may have evoked some interest in that particular device, so that, hopefully, some more fragments of information will be collected.

Regards,

Elmar

[elmar]

Hi Elmar,
one of the reasons I like your thought on using super poles for this build is partially what Tom is talking about and I was also re-reading the old WindowMotor yahoo group. John talked about needing to use ceramic magnets, getting away from the neo's. He also mentioned the geometry on the windowmotor kits rick sold was all wrong. My ceramic build was always the closest to unity.

It makes sense that he called this a toy motor. He had not perfected it yet. When I read the old group you can tell he was still experimenting with it. He mentions getting his build down to 15mA's. To be honest, I would be surprised if he ever got one of his windowmotor builds to overunity or even unity. I can't remember if I ever heard him say he did. Anyone....?
-Patrick

Hi Patrick,

when asked how the motor with the ball rotor

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Hi Patrick,

when asked how the motor with the ball rotor

This is all very interesting to me. I think there could be some misinterpretation going on. Not on your part but on others who have been around him. JB was not always understood for the meaning he was trying to convay.

So the "running for years" part is an assumption on the interviewer's part and John answers a different question all together bringing up the Watson machine. I'm pretty sure I remember him saying he did not run it 24/7 - most times it just sat there motionless, he would fire it up now and then with, yes, "the same batteries"... I'd still like someone to point out where JB actually said this window motor or any other window motor he had ran unity or over unity.

regarding neo's, JB made a clear statement on the old WindowMotor yahoo forum, if you want power, use neo's if you want lower amp draw use ceramic's. When I read that old forum we can clearly see JB is doing his best to build something that will get to unity but never comes out and says he does.

Do you see when JB talks about "it" speeding up when he aligns the aluminium cylinder... he is bringing the aluminum closer to the spinning ball (magnets) and it speeds up due to lenz-law (eddie currents). JB demonstrates this in the video i posted earlier.

Yes this is a representation of the watson as well as the SSG and so many other builds. I'm curious about how the timing worked in this original build. He mentions briefly in the vid i posted and you can see the LED's blinking in a staggered fashion that it is triggered more than once. how does he do this with one motor wind using the one SSG circuit?
Nice thread you have here - thanks
-Patrick

[Faraday88]

This is all very interesting to me. I think there could be some misinterpretation going on. Not on your part but on others who have been around him. JB was not always understood for the meaning he was trying to convay.

So the "running for years" part is an assumption on the interviewer's part and John answers a different question all together bringing up the Watson machine. I'm pretty sure I remember him saying he did not run it 24/7 - most times it just sat there motionless, he would fire it up now and then with, yes, "the same batteries"... I'd still like someone to point out where JB actually said this window motor or any other window motor he had ran unity or over unity.

regarding neo's, JB made a clear statement on the old WindowMotor yahoo forum, if you want power, use neo's if you want lower amp draw use ceramic's. When I read that old forum we can clearly see JB is doing his best to build something that will get to unity but never comes out and says he does.

Do you see when JB talks about "it" speeding up when he aligns the aluminium cylinder... he is bringing the aluminum closer to the spinning ball (magnets) and it speeds up due to lenz-law (eddie currents). JB demonstrates this in the video i posted earlier.

Yes this is a representation of the watson as well as the SSG and so many other builds. I'm curious about how the timing worked in this original build. He mentions briefly in the vid i posted and you can see the LED's blinking in a staggered fashion that it is triggered more than once. how does he do this with one motor wind using the one SSG circuit?
Nice thread you have here - thanks
-Patrick

Hey Patrick,
Im intrigued by this aspect and its implications : Do you see when JB talks about "it" speeding up when he aligns the aluminium cylinder... he is bringing the aluminum closer to the spinning ball (magnets) and it speeds up due to lenz-law (eddie currents). JB demonstrates this in the video i posted earlier.
I wonder how a lenz's effect which retards the motion would actually help in speeding it up???? we all know a loaded Genny coil also speeds up the SSG rotor. is the same action at work here as well..? how did John foresee this..tha's all the more interesting!!!i must say..
Best Regards,
Faraday88.

[elmar]

This is all very interesting to me. I think there could be some misinterpretation going on. Not on your part but on others who have been around him. JB was not always understood for the meaning he was trying to convay.

So the "running for years" part is an assumption on the interviewer's part and John answers a different question all together bringing up the Watson machine. I'm pretty sure I remember him saying he did not run it 24/7 - most times it just sat there motionless, he would fire it up now and then with, yes, "the same batteries"... I'd still like someone to point out where JB actually said this window motor or any other window motor he had ran unity or over unity.

regarding neo's, JB made a clear statement on the old WindowMotor yahoo forum, if you want power, use neo's if you want lower amp draw use ceramic's. When I read that old forum we can clearly see JB is doing his best to build something that will get to unity but never comes out and says he does.

Do you see when JB talks about "it" speeding up when he aligns the aluminium cylinder... he is bringing the aluminum closer to the spinning ball (magnets) and it speeds up due to lenz-law (eddie currents). JB demonstrates this in the video i posted earlier.

Yes this is a representation of the watson as well as the SSG and so many other builds. I'm curious about how the timing worked in this original build. He mentions briefly in the vid i posted and you can see the LED's blinking in a staggered fashion that it is triggered more than once. how does he do this with one motor wind using the one SSG circuit?
Nice thread you have here - thanks
-Patrick

1984

[min2oly]

Hey Patrick,
Im intrigued by this aspect and its implications : Do you see when JB talks about "it" speeding up when he aligns the aluminium cylinder... he is bringing the aluminum closer to the spinning ball (magnets) and it speeds up due to lenz-law (eddie currents). JB demonstrates this in the video i posted earlier.
I wonder how a lenz's effect which retards the motion would actually help in speeding it up???? we all know a loaded Genny coil also speeds up the SSG rotor. is the same action at work here as well..? how did John foresee this..tha's all the more interesting!!!i must say..
Best Regards,
Faraday88.

I see now my typing and explanation were lame. what I meant here was the fan rotor speeds up rather than the ball rotor. The ball rotor most likely slows down because it is pulling the fan...

However...

Now that you say that out loud and as I type now, I wonder??? I will give this a spin/try later today.
-Patrick

[min2oly]

1984

I look forward to hearing about your efforts.

I re-watched and must have misunderstood him the first time, he is talking about 4 phases not 4 switchings.

https://youtu.be/xtGz4QHJ0e4?t=1m17s

"you're seeing this phase, then this phase, then this phase, then this phase." He points to the LED's one at a time.

so somehow it would seem he is does have the genny coil feeding back into the system.
what we know:

1. two coils at 90 degrees
2. drive coil 2 winds/filer 900 turns smaller gauge
3. genny coil also 2 winds/filer 300 turns larger gauge
4. 4 LED's one for each "phase"
5. carbon graphite ball
6. aluminium cylinder with fan to show work adjust speed who knows what else.
7. Basic SSG circuit

I wonder if he is using a switching diode somehow to put the energy back to the source as the original simplified school girl circuit did?
-Patrick

[Dave Wing]

Hey all,

I just scooped this image from a video tube user "Davy Oneness" video about John Bedini... It explains BEMF and the Spike are additive to each other, this is big news at least to me. Also I think John maybe referring to CEMF when he talks about BEMF in his rotor SG machines. Just so you know I am talking about CEMF, produced from rotored machines which is the counter force that opposes applied voltage, even though I use the term BEMF below. Sorry to confuse.

It is also very interesting when John shows splitting the positive, figure 7, in this diagram he compares it to the example of the in phase differential waveform of figure 6. Also notice the hand drawn scope shot showing the spike plus BEMF in figure 5. It can now be seen that when John mentions splitting the positive he can also be talking about BEMF and the Spike being additive and at a higher energy potential than the supply, or powering battery. Even in EFTV John shows Dave Clements the splitting the positive analogy and even the variablness in size of the wave forms that can be constructed using the splitting the positive scenerio. The Spike plus the BEMF is the key to the pulse driven SG machines ability to overpotentialize and charge the primary battery. The Beginners SG Handbook shows one pulse along one wire back to the primary battery, note there is no secondary battery at all, just a low voltage 9 volt battery powering the device.

All this is comparitive to how John, in unconventional fashion, viewed the typical DC generator waveform as talked about in the 1984 booklet that consisted of his 1984 motor / energizer. Now we can see the other half of the generator that John always said conventional electrical engineers left out of their generator designs. In the book Free Energy Generation how did John view the normal DC generator wave form? Was it the same way as figure 6 but with just the two opposing wave forms being equal in magnitude and in phase? Is the Bedini SG Energizer a full fledged model of a conventional DC generator plus what today's electrical engineers have left out?

If the SG fires at 23 degrees or in between the north magnets or at the scalar south... Which is or can be all the same thing then we have limited, which is next to no drag on the SG rotored machine.

I realize there are two different waveforms on this page (typical SG figure 8) and (BEMF + Spike, negative pulse figure 5) but there are also these same two different waveforms on John's zero force motor video when he inserts and or removes the iron tube from the core of the coil...

Dave Wing

[Dave Wing]

Images of experimental devices from John's shop... taken from someone’s videos who’s name I will not mention.

Dave Wing

[Dave Wing]

Images of experimental devices from John's shop... 2

Dave Wing

[Dave Wing]

Images of experimental devices from John's shop... 3

Dave Wing

[Dave Wing]

Images of experimental devices from John's shop... 4

Dave Wing

[Dave Wing]

Images of experimental devices from John's shop... 5

Dave Wing

[min2oly]

I look forward to hearing about your efforts.

I re-watched and must have misunderstood him the first time, he is talking about 4 phases not 4 switchings.

https://youtu.be/xtGz4QHJ0e4?t=1m17s

"you're seeing this phase, then this phase, then this phase, then this phase." He points to the LED's one at a time.

so somehow it would seem he is does have the genny coil feeding back into the system.
what we know:

1. two coils at 90 degrees
2. drive coil 2 winds/filer 900 turns smaller gauge
3. genny coil also 2 winds/filer 300 turns larger gauge
4. 4 LED's one for each "phase"
5. carbon graphite ball
6. aluminium cylinder with fan to show work adjust speed who knows what else.
7. Basic SSG circuit

I wonder if he is using a switching diode somehow to put the energy back to the source as the original simplified school girl circuit did?
-Patrick

Getting closer to understanding how he circulated the energy - Slow-mo video:

Notice the LED's are 2 in series - then in parallel reverse of one another. They are behaving just as JB's little Ball WM. What I'm doing with a cap he did with a 2nd coil adding even more energy to the party. Need to redesign for addition of second coil...
KR - Patrick

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JB's Window Ball Motor

300+ volts - notice the pre-spike :-) might be more visible in the vid... next post