John Bedini's Magnetic Model

[RS_]

Off The Grid (OTG) Yahoo Group that I belonged to until DMR kicked JB off the group....

I have that material he posted, but it is on a old Hard Drive some where.........

it would be great to make a folder here for all JB's Lab notes

[Dave Wing]

Thanks for posting those Dave!

I have all of those somewhere and still can't find them in my old archive.

Do you know if John posted those anywhere outside of the OTG group?

Hey Aaron,

What is a OTG group?

[Aaron Murakami]

John Bedini Lab Notes

Thanks for posting those Dave!

I have all of those somewhere and still can't find them in my old archive.

Do you know if John posted those anywhere outside of the OTG group?

[Aaron Murakami]

There is another aspect to the 23 degree that has caused confusion and disagreements.

John also said the coil fired 23 degrees after top dead center of the coil.



I believe Peter Lindemann disagreed with John on this and some of you might remember the red/green LED timing system that he came up with to find out.

Does anyone have images or the setup for that to show everyone what it actually showed when the coil fired?

I think this was around 2004 - maybe right after Peter came to Spokane and worked with EnergenX for a year out on Commerce Loop.

There is also some major confusion in regards to this and it makes a difference whether the SG is running in ATTRACTION mode or REPULSION mode.

[Faraday88]

The purpose of this thread is to discuss John Bedini's magnetic model, gravity and related theories. This ties into the 22-23 degree significance, Sun/Earth relationship, Bloch wall and gravity relationship, etc...

I may only have a few useful things to add here and will take me time to dig thru notes (old lab notes) going back a lot of years and some of John's notes he copied for me in an old archive I haven't dived into for almost just as long. I know I have some notes that he shared with me that probably nobody else has except one particular person who I will not confirm if asked.

Years ago, David Michael Rogers and others had an Off The Grid (OTG) Yahoo Group. John put one archive of Ron Cole related notes in there (different from the notes I mention above) - does anyone here happen to have a copy of that? John yanked it when they started to cause trouble and then they banned John shortly after they banned me. LOL - I have a copy on one of my archives, but I have almost 10 TB's of archives and not being the most organized person in the world and searching for them all - well, I've had more pleasure doing other things. It has the circular motor that looks like a hollow disc spinning in a base and other notes. Some of you probably know what I'm talking about.

The first several posts here were moved here from the Zero Force Motor Replication Project thread here: http://www.energyscienceforum.com/showthread.php?t=3384

The Zero Force Motor is one of John's earliest works going back to the 1970's and Zero Force is a reference to the neutral line on a magnet or "Bloch Wall". And I don't know that I necessarily agree that it is a Lenzless motor either.

The ZFM was one of many air core motors, it is related to the "typical" window motor, the window motor in the glass case "Space Flux Motor", which has a circuit that is basically an SG circuit window motor with recovery and a generator coil 90 degrees off from the motor coil and other air core motors. One of his biggest quests early on was the development of a motor that had no iron core because of all its advantages and I think he even submitted a patent application for it in the 1970's or 1980's - I might have a copy of that in my archives.

The super pole concept also goes back to the 1970's - you can see it took a few decades for him to ever talk about that publicly. It was in his CD Clarifiers, but it wasn't until the early 2000's that he discussed it publicly for the motors. The original window motors were designed to use the super pole configuration as was most of his motors and his original ZFM designs were 2 poles - just North and South on a rotor. This doesn't necessarily mean to start making the ZFM and everything else with the super pole configuration or 2 poles - just mentioning it.

Many if not most questions asked of me, I probably do not know the answer from John's perspective - I might not even have my own answer, but will do my best. This is mostly to get the conversation going and not for me to be an expert on John's work.

Early on when I met John in 1999, he trusted me a lot because it was my mentor Rodger Estes who introduced me to him - he gave Rodger credit for saving his life with one of Rodger's medical devices and his Qigong treatments. I think he liked the fact that I didn't come to him as a fan trying to get a bunch of secrets from him and I had no idea who he was. I was starting fresh and didn't know a transistor from a diode.

One thing is that he never really had a protege - he was really willing to share almost anything with others that expressed a serious interest in his work but of course was cautious - he had to know he wasn't wasting his time or dealing with a crook. So, myself and a whole group of others collectively have the best compilation of what John knew and it isn't all trusted to one person. So anyone reading this that does have some pieces of the puzzle, please come forward and share that here.

I was fortunate that he gave me a lot of very straight answers because he knew I had no background in electronics - he didn't give me the "crumbs" method of teaching very often and he would sometimes just write me a schematic and say "Try this." He wrote me the schematic for the glass case motor - I took a picture of it and just have to find it. And of course there was plenty of ultra non-linear communications that filled the gaps. I don't blame him for that, when you have full pictures in your head of how things work or operate, its about the only way you can express them - as they come - as Tom said, "stream of consciousness" thinking. Early on in the 1970s to 1980s, he was a very prolific writer and that slowed way down in the 1990's and on as far as I could tell - still wasn't the greatest speller, but he was very detailed in his writings about what his understandings and ideas were. I have some of this in his early lab notes - this is quite different from his more modern-day notebooks, which I think are less writing and more diagrams, testing results, and ideas - but not entire dissertations.

Some of these lab notes, he has posted publicly for a long time. Towards the end, he was actually planning on starting to post many of his lab notes on his site but never got around to it because he was swamped with all the chargers and RPX units as well as covering Gary's duties at the company and taking care of Gary, etc. too much for anyone. He always wanted to help others but was not very good at asking other people to help him out.

These posts here were put in chronological order - so below is a post as my response to the multi-filar winding coils. I'll put something soon in a post that I reserved later in this thread after some of the questions.




Bob Teal was someone else that mastered the multifilar windings in parallel. Ron Cole gives some answers to that in the docs Dave shared. Eric Dollard gave me something else to chew on in regards to multifilar windings in parallel. I'm going to test what Eric said when I can. Ever hear of a non-inductive inductor? Bell Labs had this in some kind of relays in their analog networks. There is a way to design the coil so that the current makes a magnetic field because of the ampere turns, but it cannot develop any EMF. Therefore, amps x 0 volts = 0 watts to create a magnetic field. That is obviously beyond what Ron Cole was doing or figured out but if it proves to work, then applying it to something like the ZFM or any other motor means it would run for free. The Bell Labs coils required multifilar windings that were paralleled.

In images 5 and 8 you can see the bifilar in parallel. Bob Teal's grandson told me that he left a lot of details out of the patent as well.

Thanks for sharing these behind the sceen truths.. always wanted to see more of JB's lab notes and understand them closely.
Rgds,
Faraday88.

[Faraday88]

Bedini / Cole Images 2

Gem of a collection Dave!!! where did you get these from??
Rgds,
Faraday88.

[DMANN]

Not sure if this is relevant to the discussion, but the discussion reminded me of it, so I'll post it anyway.

When I was at the first Eagles conference John Bedini was having a discussion with one of the other presenters, whose name escapes me now, but suffice to say it was a very interesting one - most if it went over my head.

Anyway, the topic of anti-gravity came up and John mentioned super-pole magnets - specifically 2 magnets where the North poles were stuck together to form a "scalar North" pole. John explained to me that rotating scalar Norths have anti-gravity properties. He said if I didn't believe him then take a scalar North magnet and a regular magnet (of the same weight) and drop them both from the same height. Which one will hit the ground first?

John K.

Here is a video where Boyd Bushman talked about the gravity reducing effect of magnets in repulsion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzwOFCSFms4
You can skip to 3:07 to here the discussion on opposing magnets.

Thanks for the information and documentation Aaron and Dave.

DMann

sorry..was skipping through...looks like lman already posted this info

[Lman]

Not sure if this is relevant to the discussion, but the discussion reminded me of it, so I'll post it anyway.

When I was at the first Eagles conference John Bedini was having a discussion with one of the other presenters, whose name escapes me now, but suffice to say it was a very interesting one - most if it went over my head.

Anyway, the topic of anti-gravity came up and John mentioned super-pole magnets - specifically 2 magnets where the North poles were stuck together to form a "scalar North" pole. John explained to me that rotating scalar Norths have anti-gravity properties. He said if I didn't believe him then take a scalar North magnet and a regular magnet (of the same weight) and drop them both from the same height. Which one will hit the ground first?

John K.

Hi John_Koorn,

In a movie "From here to Andromeda" produced by David Sereda there is an interview with a former senior scientist from Lockheed Martin Skunkworks called Boyd Bushman (just to clarify who he is in case you are not familiar with the name), and he talks about that anti-gravity experiment with "super-poles".
You can watch just the interview on the link below or find the whole movie in youtube if you are interested. So, what you have heard is confirmed by those people. I have seen videos on the net of other people trying it as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNPBYtJyfZo

I do not know how long this link will be valid as many times things disappear from the net.

He also has an interesting patent using the "super-pole" phenomena.

http://www.google.com/patents/US5929732

Regards
Lman

[Lman]

to Aaron : Thank you for your post explaining the Earth's axle tilt. It confirmed my assumption and cleared some other things I was wondering about, like the change in angle with different count of magnets and why would John in some videos intentionally draw the bloch wall at an angle.

to Dave Wing : Thank you for posting the lab notes. I was wondering where I can find them as John sometimes used to say about something that the information is in there.


Thanks guys

Regards
Lman

[Dave Wing]

And a few more...

[Dave Wing]

Some more images...

[Aaron Murakami]

Hi Aaron,

Those Bedini /Cole notes were posted by John Bedini on February 19,2007 to the Bedini Window Energizer Yahoo Group. I do have those images of the toy motor as well... I will post them also.

Dave Wing

Thanks Dave, he posted a lot more than I recall. The Cole toy motor and others in that collection is what I wanted to find.

[Dave Wing]

Hi Aaron,

Those Bedini /Cole notes were posted by John Bedini on February 19,2007 to the Bedini Window Energizer Yahoo Group. I do have those images of the toy motor as well... I will post them also.

Dave Wing

[Aaron Murakami]

Hi Dave,

Thanks for posting those!

Were those from the OTG group?

I remember there was a whole other collection.

It included this one for example and I know most people have never seen these, but I hope to share more!



Do you remember that collection?

[Aaron Murakami]

The Earth is tilted as it rotates around the Sun and this tilt is between 22.1 and 24.5 degrees - it takes about 40,000 years to complete that cycle. From a bird's eye view of the Earth over the North pole, if you had an axle going through the Earth through the poles, the end of the axle rotates on a wobble in a circle coinciding with this range of degrees of the tilt. Today this tilt is about 23.5 degrees.

This image shows perfectly what that wobble is but more importantly, shows the 23.5 degrees:



The diagonal line you see through the coils in John's diagram is representative of the Earth's tilt as it goes around the Sun. Please do not assume John is drawing everything to scale or at the correct angles.

This is a classic image that John has posted for years and you will notice the diagonal line through the coil - he has had that on many diagrams. That line is emblematic of the Earth's tilt. In older drawings of John's (probably none are online), he always had that line drawn through the Earth in diagrams showing the Earth going around the Sun with the same 0 on both ends of the line representing a null or no net force. You could call the Zero Force Motor for example, the Equator Motor, because that it exactly what it is and it is in fact a microcosmic representation of the magnetic interaction between the Earth and Sun.



For practical purposes, we're obviously not going to be building an SG for example where the coil is tilted 23.5 degrees. It's already tilted because of the Earth, relative to the Sun. The Sun is tilted about 7 degrees, but I do not know if that was considered in John's work. Today, the tilt of the sun is thought to be caused by the 9th planet ("Pluto's killer") because it is so massive, etc.

If this is an intrinsic property of magnetism, then it applies universally. John never claimed that, but it is a model for what is happening on this Earth and that is what we have to work with.

If you have a wheel with 8 magnets around it, they're at every 45 degrees. That is 360 / 8 = 45. Then where does the "scalar south" exist if all North magnets are facing out? They squeeze out at 22.5 degrees, which is exactly half way between the middle of any two magnets around the wheel John labels it at 23, but it is not 23, that is rounding it off. Or I should say at what degree if the magnet is top dead center over the coil does the closest "scalar south" exit the wheel to interact with the coil? 22.5 degrees. It's right there in the diagram. What is the average between the Earth's tilt 23.5 and 22.5 on the wheel? 23 degrees.

The 16 magnet configuration doesn't actually conform to the 8 magnet degree system - it would be halved.

If you take 360 degrees and divide that by 22.5 degrees, you get 15.3 and where the number 16 comes from is simply rounding up or just doubling the 8 magnet example - nothing magical. 16 actually equals the magnet and "Scalar South" points and not 16 magnets around a wheel - it is the magnet and spaces between the magnets. But obviously it is proportional and if you have 16 magnets and 32 total points, obviously the scalar will interact with the coil no matter what because of its proximity whether it is 22.5 or 11.25 degrees.

It is right there in the diagram and can be deduced from it - what I am not guessing at is that the diagonal is representative of the Earth's tilt, that is a fact and that is what was behind John's diagrams showing that diagonal line through the coils.

More to come...