John Bedini's Magnetic Model

[Aaron Murakami]

For years I mentioned the SG is an oscillating gas pump, because that is basically what it is.

Coil charges and when it collapses, it sucks some of the potential from the magnetism of the permanent magnets and adds that to the output of the transient spike. Nature likes to fill voids or put things back into equilibrium so the magnet is instantly replenished to bring it back to balance. This happens whether it is in repulsion or attraction mode - it is sucking from the primary field or the "scalar" field between the magnets. I asked John about this about 15 years ago because that is the impression I got and he confirmed that was essentially the case.

What is significant about the Bloch Wall that he is always referencing is that it is the place where the aether enters. I never knew about the Bloch wall at the time, just thought that the magnet polarized the aether around it like any other dipole. It basically does, but instead of my simple understanding at the time with the typical lines of flux drawing, which is so simple but deceptive, it is much more complex, dynamic and beautiful.

John would say the pumping action on the magnet from the coil's field manipulates the Bloch wall (moves it) and at the Bloch wall, that is where the aether enters. That is the point where there is a Zero Force, Antigravity, Null Force, Zero Vector and about a half a dozen other names for the exact same thing.

I don't recall off hand if John just said it simply what it equates to, but it basically means the permanent magnet is a source of potential energy that can be used to do work in a circuit - such as in the transient spike sent to a capacitor for discharge or to a battery to charge it directly.

John has basically said this quite a few times in so many words in quite a few places, moving the Bloch wall, the Null Point, etc... and how vacuum energy enters there. I'm not saying anything that many of you that have been around for a while probably don't already know because John has indeed said these things, but it is a significant part of the overall model.

There are two basic type of "magnetic" drawings that John has posted about the field around magnets and coils - does anyone know the real distinction between them or what these two types of drawings actually represent? He used both in different contexts and sometimes used them to represent a magnetic field in general and sometimes he used them specifically to show something different. I'll eventually point it out

I hope to see some opinions and comments on what John has said about the Bloch Wall AND what the two magnetic fields are that I'm referencing. If you don't know the reference, look at all his diagrams and it may jump out at you.

[Aaron Murakami]

Aaron - The diagram you mention in Post #47 does not show up...

Got it - I only referenced it since I posted it earlier so I added it to the post now to eliminate confusion.

[Yaro1776]

Aaron - The diagram you mention in Post #47 does not show up...

[Aaron Murakami]

Aaron, your image is missing.

JB:

"So it’s actually firing at 23 degrees, charging discharging firing. Follow me?
Charge, time in charge (tdc to knot zero)
-0-
time in discharge of the iron (knot zero to 23)
and then the pole is in repulsion (23)
and then the motor spins
so that’s exactly how this is operating.

Got it boss?"

I loved his sense of humor.

Start at about 2:10

JB has told me in the past, the 23 degrees did not apply to all wheels he used it to make a point, and yes, I believe that was a wheel with 8 magnets that he was referring to. He was alot like me in that he didn't always say precisely what he meant sometimes the wrong word slipped out. Take the word fire for instance, he does not mean it the way you are using it...

What image do you mean? The one with 8 magnets and coil shows up for me.

John didn't always verbally communicate the best but he obviously always knew what he meant.

If you have a 10 foot wheel and one of these small coils, it obviously will not fire (turn on) at 23 degrees, more like a couple degrees so it has to be in context with the proper proportions.

So what exactly are you saying John meant by "firing"? Firing is what initiates the power cycle.

The bottom line is that the 23 degree claim is rooted in the Earth's tilt and the other applications of that are extrapolated from that same concept and that is the main point that I'm sharing.

[min2oly]

Yes, I already understand that - the correct timing is intrinsically built into that on purpose.

The point is that the 23 degrees firing was of specific significance to John and I think Peter disagreed, hence the mention of the red/green timing lights.

This isn't about whether it will trigger correctly, because it will if you have a trigger winding - it's about fitting the 23 degree timing into John's model.

@All

The image shows the "scalar south" squeezing between the magnets at "23" degrees (with 8 magnets) - so if John is saying it fired at 23 degrees - he said it was 23 degrees after TDC - he is talking about the magnet when at top dead center will move 23 degrees away from TDC and then fire.

Why would he say that if for years almost everyone was running the machines in repulsion mode - and we all know that it fires immediately after the center of the magnet leaves the half way mark when the voltage reverses to turn the trigger on?

In repulsion mode, and this is what has been shown from the beginning of the diagrams during the Shawnee Baughman era, there is no mistake that repulsion mode was indeed shown. North facing out on the magnets and the coil was wound so that when power was on, a North field was created on top of the coil to push the North field of the magnet away after it was triggered.

Here is the diagram:



John clearly marked the magnet N facing out and clearly marked N as the field on the coil when charged.

When you look at the actual winding coming off the coil at the top, it comes out from around the left side of the coil meaning it would actually create a S field if the positive went there. That detail isn't important because he labels it North and the INTENDED setup is, was and always has been repulsion mode.

What this brings to mind is that firing 23 degrees after TDC reference can only apply in one situation with the SG and that is an 8 magnet setup running in attraction mode. After the magnet leaves the center of the coil, the "scalar south" is what is energizing the coil for the trigger and the very moment it leaves half way, the voltage flips, triggers the base and the next magnet is attracted to the core. Actually it would be 23.x degrees the moment after leaving 23.00 degrees - the moment after the "scalar south" (or north) leaves half way past the center of the coil.

But is this what John actually meant? Some evidence seems to suggest so and some evidence seems to suggest that he actually saw the coil firing under a different mechanism, hence Peter's move to create the red/green timing light system to show that the energizers were indeed NOT triggering at 23 degrees ATDC. At least, no in repulsion mode.

It was claimed that John was running some energizers (SG) in attraction mode, then when it was told me me that John had the original SG diagrams in attraction mode, I pointed out that it was not the case.

So if the 23 degree ATDC firing will only happen on an 8 magnet setup running in attraction mode, what energizers was he running like this?

This is all I wanted to mention about the 23 degree ATDC firing and welcome any comments.

This is still based on the foundation of the Earth's tilt and that is the premise of much of John's magnetic modeling.

What I want to share next and the diagrams if I can find it is the way the magnet's bloch wall receives the aether and how the SG for example pulls energy from the magnet and the magnet replenishing itself - literally using the magnet as a source of potential energy that does work just as Paul Babcock and others have said contrary to the popular belief that magnets are not a "source of energy."

Aaron, your image is missing.

JB:

"So it’s actually firing at 23 degrees, charging discharging firing. Follow me?
Charge, time in charge (tdc to knot zero)
-0-
time in discharge of the iron (knot zero to 23)
and then the pole is in repulsion (23)
and then the motor spins
so that’s exactly how this is operating.

Got it boss?"

I loved his sense of humor.

Start at about 2:10

JB has told me in the past, the 23 degrees did not apply to all wheels he used it to make a point, and yes, I believe that was a wheel with 8 magnets that he was referring to. He was alot like me in that he didn't always say precisely what he meant sometimes the wrong word slipped out. Take the word fire for instance, he does not mean it the way you are using it...

[Aaron Murakami]

Yup...
However, if you are using a bifilar coil and the trigger wire from that coil, the timing is already built in so no worries attraction or repulsion.

The tricky part comes in when you want to do manual timing then if you're paying attn. you can get better charging...
KR - Patrick

Yes, I already understand that - the correct timing is intrinsically built into that on purpose.

The point is that the 23 degrees firing was of specific significance to John and I think Peter disagreed, hence the mention of the red/green timing lights.

This isn't about whether it will trigger correctly, because it will if you have a trigger winding - it's about fitting the 23 degree timing into John's model.

@All

The image shows the "scalar south" squeezing between the magnets at "23" degrees (with 8 magnets) - so if John is saying it fired at 23 degrees - he said it was 23 degrees after TDC - he is talking about the magnet when at top dead center will move 23 degrees away from TDC and then fire.



Why would he say that if for years almost everyone was running the machines in repulsion mode - and we all know that it fires immediately after the center of the magnet leaves the half way mark when the voltage reverses to turn the trigger on?

In repulsion mode, and this is what has been shown from the beginning of the diagrams during the Shawnee Baughman era, there is no mistake that repulsion mode was indeed shown. North facing out on the magnets and the coil was wound so that when power was on, a North field was created on top of the coil to push the North field of the magnet away after it was triggered.

Here is the diagram:



John clearly marked the magnet N facing out and clearly marked N as the field on the coil when charged.

When you look at the actual winding coming off the coil at the top, it comes out from around the left side of the coil meaning it would actually create a S field if the positive went there. That detail isn't important because he labels it North and the INTENDED setup is, was and always has been repulsion mode.

What this brings to mind is that firing 23 degrees after TDC reference can only apply in one situation with the SG and that is an 8 magnet setup running in attraction mode. After the magnet leaves the center of the coil, the "scalar south" is what is energizing the coil for the trigger and the very moment it leaves half way, the voltage flips, triggers the base and the next magnet is attracted to the core. Actually it would be 23.x degrees the moment after leaving 23.00 degrees - the moment after the "scalar south" (or north) leaves half way past the center of the coil.

But is this what John actually meant? Some evidence seems to suggest so and some evidence seems to suggest that he actually saw the coil firing under a different mechanism, hence Peter's move to create the red/green timing light system to show that the energizers were indeed NOT triggering at 23 degrees ATDC. At least, no in repulsion mode.

It was claimed that John was running some energizers (SG) in attraction mode, then when it was told me me that John had the original SG diagrams in attraction mode, I pointed out that it was not the case.

So if the 23 degree ATDC firing will only happen on an 8 magnet setup running in attraction mode, what energizers was he running like this?

This is all I wanted to mention about the 23 degree ATDC firing and welcome any comments.

This is still based on the foundation of the Earth's tilt and that is the premise of much of John's magnetic modeling.

What I want to share next and the diagrams if I can find it is the way the magnet's bloch wall receives the aether and how the SG for example pulls energy from the magnet and the magnet replenishing itself - literally using the magnet as a source of potential energy that does work just as Paul Babcock and others have said contrary to the popular belief that magnets are not a "source of energy."

[Dave Wing]

Hi Dave,

It was an "Off The Grid" yahoo group years ago where it had a really elitist attitude and a very bad click.

They slandered me in there because I posted something of John's in Energetic Forum I think - something that John posted in OTG - they claimed I was dishonoring their vow to secrecy or whatever. They jumped the gun without asking me, because I only copy and pasted it from some other site where John posted it and they thought they had some exclusive disclosure going on with John. I think they contacted John and told him I was spreading his private info around so I got a bit nasty with them. They banned me. Within a week or two, they wound up banning John!

In any case, it was where John posted a whole collection of the Cole notes, which I think most of what was posted there you have in the collection you posted here. If I see any missing, I'll post them here to make the collection more complete.

Thanks Aaron for the information... I will also repost all the Bill Jenkins Open Mind radio archived interviews as well. I have listened to the Bedini, Bearden programs quite a few times and they do give some very good insight about what John was doing at the time. These are old interviews from around 1984 or so. Here they are...

https://archive.org/details/OpenMindWithBillJenkins/Andrija+Puharich%2C+M.D.+-+ELF+Problem+-+1+of+4.mp3

Dave Wing

[Aaron Murakami]

Arron,

they were on the window motor group on the old yahoo forum... i think he pulled all of them though.

Tom C

He pulled them before getting kicked out of the OTG group as well - he could see it coming.

I never was really involved with the window motor group so wasn't familiar with what notes he posted there.

[Aaron Murakami]

Off The Grid (OTG) Yahoo Group that I belonged to until DMR kicked JB off the group....

I have that material he posted, but it is on a old Hard Drive some where.........

it would be great to make a folder here for all JB's Lab notes

I can make a zip for members here.

If you do happen to come across those old archives, would be great if you can compare to what Dave posted.

[Aaron Murakami]

Hey Aaron,

What is a OTG group?

Hi Dave,

It was an "Off The Grid" yahoo group years ago where it had a really elitist attitude and a very bad click.

They slandered me in there because I posted something of John's in Energetic Forum I think - something that John posted in OTG - they claimed I was dishonoring their vow to secrecy or whatever. They jumped the gun without asking me, because I only copy and pasted it from some other site where John posted it and they thought they had some exclusive disclosure going on with John. I think they contacted John and told him I was spreading his private info around so I got a bit nasty with them. They banned me. Within a week or two, they wound up banning John!

In any case, it was where John posted a whole collection of the Cole notes, which I think most of what was posted there you have in the collection you posted here. If I see any missing, I'll post them here to make the collection more complete.

[Dave Wing]

Off The Grid (OTG) Yahoo Group that I belonged to until DMR kicked JB off the group....

I have that material he posted, but it is on a old Hard Drive some where.........

it would be great to make a folder here for all JB's Lab notes

Thanks RS.

[DMANN]

Hi John_Koorn,

In a movie "From here to Andromeda" produced by David Sereda there is an interview with a former senior scientist from Lockheed Martin Skunkworks called Boyd Bushman (just to clarify who he is in case you are not familiar with the name), and he talks about that anti-gravity experiment with "super-poles".
You can watch just the interview on the link below or find the whole movie in youtube if you are interested. So, what you have heard is confirmed by those people. I have seen videos on the net of other people trying it as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNPBYtJyfZo

I do not know how long this link will be valid as many times things disappear from the net.

He also has an interesting patent using the "super-pole" phenomena.

http://www.google.com/patents/US5929732

Regards
Lman

Opposing Magnetic Fields

This patent references Boyd's patent mentioned above, but spells out a little better its' uses and delves a little deeper. http://www.google.com/patents/US20120092107 Quite a few gravitational control patents available to look at.
As far as Bedini's work goes there are a lot of magnetic configurations that one can experiment with easily, at home, with a CAD program and a 3D Printer.
The information posted in this thread is a "Holy Grail".

[AlvaroHN]

He also has an interesting patent using the "super-pole" phenomena.

http://www.google.com/patents/US5929732

Regards
Lman

That patent say some very interesting things!!. He is creating a scalar pole like John, but using 5 magnets, 3d space compressed super pole beam. And it has an image of a coil wound on the fifth magnet, that would control the scalar beam.

it also says that if made with electromagnets, the same magnetic force would be achieved with less input.

Imagine that as a stator of an SSG.

best,

Alvaro

[min2oly]

There is another aspect to the 23 degree that has caused confusion and disagreements.

John also said the coil fired 23 degrees after top dead center of the coil.



I believe Peter Lindemann disagreed with John on this and some of you might remember the red/green LED timing system that he came up with to find out.

Does anyone have images or the setup for that to show everyone what it actually showed when the coil fired?

I think this was around 2004 - maybe right after Peter came to Spokane and worked with EnergenX for a year out on Commerce Loop.

There is also some major confusion in regards to this and it makes a difference whether the SG is running in ATTRACTION mode or REPULSION mode.

Yup...
However, if you are using a bifilar coil and the trigger wire from that coil, the timing is already built in so no worries attraction or repulsion.

The tricky part comes in when you want to do manual timing then if you're paying attn. you can get better charging...
KR - Patrick

[Tom C]

Arron,

they were on the window motor group on the old yahoo forum... i think he pulled all of them though.

Tom C