Bedini G-Field / Kromrey Converter Questions for Peter and John

[erfinder]

"if you get rid of the self inductance you loose the ability for the circuit to behave as a reactance" - erfinder

and......taken out of context it means nothing.....the last thing I want is to get rid of the circuits self-induction, and I demonstrate why. You do what you like, we are not, I repeat, you and I are not on the same page, but you can think we are if it helps you.

[Ajay]

"if you get rid of the self inductance you loose the ability for the circuit to behave as a reactance" - erfinder

[erfinder]

I am getting .4 volts out. Back to the drawing board, I will probably try a Tesla type bifilar next to see the output with no induction (which as erfinder pointed out, eliminates the circuits reactance).

No! I did not say that bifilar connection eliminates induction. You are mixing what I say with faraday88. Look at the bifilar coil through a LCR meter and note what it indicates!!! You have a 4x increase in inductance. What does that tell you about the inductive reactance of such a configuration. Don't quote me please......

I was surprised to see such a small output, I could not even light up 9 volt bulbs at RPM exceeding 3000. I am only using four regular sized ceramic magnets, so output wont be staggering, but I should see 6v at least. The most surprising thing to me is that this is the configuration JB said would work. The only thing I am doing differently is I used 14 gauge wire.
I still havent tested the idea that the aluminum could be the reason I have no output.
I would like to take a step back and look at the principles Peter outlines in his book (http://www.teslasociety.ch/info/NTV_2011/free.pdf) to see how it could help us with this device.

A unidirectional pulse of DC travels down the wire at a speed (dependent on impedance?) and is then stored (via the coils capacitance) at which time it is discharged and interrupted at a high frequency, yielding cold E. For this device to exhibit the same characteristics, each time the flux rises and sets up a potential difference in the coil, it must be thought of as a pulse of DC. The DC pulse flows through the wires and cancels out due to the negative potential on the other side. A zero state is then found in the coils until the flux link is broken, at which time a negative entropic magnetic field collapses into the coil and distributes high voltage potential like a SSG. Until the flux returns, at which time the cycle repeats.

This is a fine theory except for the waveform I posted shows one of two things: either it is a sine wave which has been shorted at it's peak, or it is two sets of discharges that occur right after each other. My theory can not account for a second discharge because an expanding magnetic field does not create anything but a potential difference between N and S (like Ed Leedskalnin's PM holder) which creates a flow of current. Unless this current is choked out by the coils at a high frequency and in a unidirectional fashion, I dont understand how two outputs could exist in one make/break of the iron bar. If it is shorting it at sine wave peak, then how is it doing that and why is the output AC?

If these coils do exhibit some unseen interrupting mechanism, then we should be able to charge it up with pulsed AC and get cold E output as well, but Bedini says solid state wont work. I have checked the continuity of my coils, and I am sure everything is wound and connected properly. The only unknown factor (assuming Bedini's coil configuration works) is the gauge of the wire and the magnetic field strength. I have tried Neo magnets, and those did not work for my design either.
I am going to sleep, hopefully I will dream up an epiphany or something.
Ajay

The sad thing here is you are looking for something that is very good at hiding itself, and I am personally grateful for that, because it means that the profane will never posses it. You would rather listen to faraday88 who still hasn't shown us anything, rather than to investigate the suggestions that I have made. I'm cool with this, I wont make anymore suggestions. No one anywhere on the entire net has shown you real "cold electricity". My opinion may not matter but I think they haven't shown this phenomena because its not allowed, at least, not till the peanut gallery (us) trips over the mechanism which makes it possible, this isn't likely! The really insanely high voltage experiments don't count as viable and verifiable demonstrations of cold electricity! Stop calling it cold electricity, (not to be taken as a suggestion....) look at what you are presented with, (again not to be interpreted as a suggestion) in the absence of current there is only voltage, what is voltage? Where is its seat, in the end if you are lucky you will come to the conclusion that

Quote:

"VOLTAGE IS TO DIELECTRICITY AS CURRENT IS TO MAGNETISM"

End quote..

Now where did that come from! Cold "electricity"? I think you are barking up the wrong tree. But then again....what do I know.


Regards

[Ajay]

I am getting .4 volts out. Back to the drawing board, I will probably try a Tesla type bifilar next to see the output with no induction (which as erfinder pointed out, eliminates the circuits reactance). I was surprised to see such a small output, I could not even light up 9 volt bulbs at RPM exceeding 3000. I am only using four regular sized ceramic magnets, so output wont be staggering, but I should see 6v at least. The most surprising thing to me is that this is the configuration JB said would work. The only thing I am doing differently is I used 14 gauge wire.
I still havent tested the idea that the aluminum could be the reason I have no output.
I would like to take a step back and look at the principles Peter outlines in his book (http://www.teslasociety.ch/info/NTV_2011/free.pdf) to see how it could help us with this device.

A unidirectional pulse of DC travels down the wire at a speed (dependent on impedance?) and is then stored (via the coils capacitance) at which time it is discharged and interrupted at a high frequency, yielding cold E. For this device to exhibit the same characteristics, each time the flux rises and sets up a potential difference in the coil, it must be thought of as a pulse of DC. The DC pulse flows through the wires and cancels out due to the negative potential on the other side. A zero state is then found in the coils until the flux link is broken, at which time a negative entropic magnetic field collapses into the coil and distributes high voltage potential like a SSG. Until the flux returns, at which time the cycle repeats.

This is a fine theory except for the waveform I posted shows one of two things: either it is a sine wave which has been shorted at it's peak, or it is two sets of discharges that occur right after each other. My theory can not account for a second discharge because an expanding magnetic field does not create anything but a potential difference between N and S (like Ed Leedskalnin's PM holder) which creates a flow of current. Unless this current is choked out by the coils at a high frequency and in a unidirectional fashion, I dont understand how two outputs could exist in one make/break of the iron bar. If it is shorting it at sine wave peak, then how is it doing that and why is the output AC?

If these coils do exhibit some unseen interrupting mechanism, then we should be able to charge it up with pulsed AC and get cold E output as well, but Bedini says solid state wont work. I have checked the continuity of my coils, and I am sure everything is wound and connected properly. The only unknown factor (assuming Bedini's coil configuration works) is the gauge of the wire and the magnetic field strength. I have tried Neo magnets, and those did not work for my design either.
I am going to sleep, hopefully I will dream up an epiphany or something.
Ajay

[forelle]

SUPER CLUE FOR YOU: BIFILAR COIL CANCELL INDUCTANCE FOR CONDUCTION CURRENT ONLY NOT FOR INDUCTION CURRENT, this is as far as I can (want ) to go on this.
One more thing is this difference is Magnificently elaborated in Peter Lindemann's FESCE book.
does that hint you something Ajay??? in My Statement above, find out the difference between the two, you figure it out and there you are!
Rgds,
Faraday88.

Hi Faraday
Why don`t you tell us the diffrence?Why should we figure it out by our self when you no the explanation?I would be glad when you save us time.Please don`t do so mysterious all the time.
Thanks

[Ajay]

Are you saying that conduction currents displace current, where as induction currents displace pure voltage, which exhibits a cold effect when separated form current? Peter's book is a favorite of mine, but I didn't find too many references to induction vs conduction.
If this is the case then would the coils be wound like Tesla's bifilar coils or Bedini's bifilar coils? Bedini's are considerably different.
I believe I am finally on the verge of unlocking the secrets behind this device. My coils are currently wound with 13 turns of #14 gauge wire on each layer of the coil on each pole. there are three coils wound in three layers on top of each other and connected at the two ends of the device. All of my coils are wound to the right, and there is a total of 156 turns on the iron bar. The bar itself has a thickness of 3/4 inch. There are no longer Neo magnets because they caused too much of a make and break effect for my motor. The frequency of rotation is now much higher with ceramic magnets on, and because frequency determines impedance, the impedance will reach zero at a certain RPM. If this configuration does not work, I will proceed to test Tesla's coil winding method to see if that works. As always, I will keep you updated. Thanks Faraday,
Ajay

[Faraday88]

I was reading this link on the Floyd Sweet VTA and the link was discussing how although the VTA's bifilar coils are wound to cancel self induction, there is still an output even though there shouldn't be by any conventional standards. The output is cold electricity. Although the coils should have cancelled out any inductance, there was still an output. I thought perhaps switching direction of flux in the iron could give rise to similar phenomenon. I was wondering if anyone has experience winding these type of coils? I recently changed my coil set up so it has a coil on each stator going in opposite directions on the first layer. This causes the output to be positive one second, before quickly changing in to a negative condition, because the flux has switched directions but the coils are opposing the flux. The next layer of coil is hooked up in series per JB's picture, except wound the opposite direction, so as to catch a positive charge when the coil on the first layer acquires a negative charge. Thus, self induction has been minimized (to my understanding). I am still not seeing any output. What is even more troubling to me is the fact that there is no audible change in the RPM of my machine as I change loads. If coil capacitance really does contribute to the speeding up effect, then my coils (which now have a high capacitance) should exhibit the same phenomenon. So far, the only output I have gotten is about 10 watts of alternating current from the coils facing the same direction with no second layer of coil on top of that. Although I was excited to see output, I AM NOT LOOKING FOR OU. I am looking for cold electricity. So this leads me to believe that the coils are imperative to have wound the right way. The correct way, from what I can tell, is to hook up bifilar coils in series to cancel self induction like Tesla's pancake coils and have them both wound the same direction so that a negative potential in one side cancels out the positive potential in the other. Theoretically, this should result in a zero state where only potential rises and falls with no movement of electricity in the classical sense. I have found pictures of inductors wound with the coils I am talking about adding, but when I tried to wind them, I ran in to some trouble. Does any one know how to properly wind coils to cancel self induction that could help me out? from what I understand, one coil needs to be wound in one direction, the other coil is then wound in an opposing direction, and one end of the two coils is connected. I would need to rewind for this condition because although the my current configuration lowers self inductance, it does not eliminate it, and any hot current in the system will cancel out the cold, so it needs to be as perfect as possible. As always, I will keep experimenting and keep you updated, but if anyone has any guesses why I am not seeing any output with my current set up, please let me know.
Thanks,
Ajay
P.S- This is the VTA link I referred to: http://jnaudin.free.fr/vta/vtabuild/index.htm
And here is how I plan to wind my coils. To me, it seems that I would essentially be winding two wires next to each other for each turn of wire so that I have a bifilar coil, then connecting the coils to have a short on one side. Because the coils are technically wound in the same direction but hooked up oppositely, I am having a difficult time conceptualizing how one coil can be seen as wound in the opposite direction, where as the pancake coils show this opposite winding in a way that is easy to conceptualize. http://www.magnetricity.com/Bifilar.php

SUPER CLUE FOR YOU: BIFILAR COIL CANCELL INDUCTANCE FOR CONDUCTION CURRENT ONLY NOT FOR INDUCTION CURRENT, this is as far as I can (want ) to go on this.
One more thing is this difference is Magnificently elaborated in Peter Lindemann's FESCE book.
does that hint you something Ajay??? in My Statement above, find out the difference between the two, you figure it out and there you are!
Rgds,
Faraday88.

[Ajay]

I was reading this link on the Floyd Sweet VTA and the link was discussing how although the VTA's bifilar coils are wound to cancel self induction, there is still an output even though there shouldn't be by any conventional standards. The output is cold electricity. Although the coils should have cancelled out any inductance, there was still an output. I thought perhaps switching direction of flux in the iron could give rise to similar phenomenon. I was wondering if anyone has experience winding these type of coils? I recently changed my coil set up so it has a coil on each stator going in opposite directions on the first layer. This causes the output to be positive one second, before quickly changing in to a negative condition, because the flux has switched directions but the coils are opposing the flux. The next layer of coil is hooked up in series per JB's picture, except wound the opposite direction, so as to catch a positive charge when the coil on the first layer acquires a negative charge. Thus, self induction has been minimized (to my understanding). I am still not seeing any output. What is even more troubling to me is the fact that there is no audible change in the RPM of my machine as I change loads. If coil capacitance really does contribute to the speeding up effect, then my coils (which now have a high capacitance) should exhibit the same phenomenon. So far, the only output I have gotten is about 10 watts of alternating current from the coils facing the same direction with no second layer of coil on top of that. Although I was excited to see output, I AM NOT LOOKING FOR OU. I am looking for cold electricity. So this leads me to believe that the coils are imperative to have wound the right way. The correct way, from what I can tell, is to hook up bifilar coils in series to cancel self induction like Tesla's pancake coils and have them both wound the same direction so that a negative potential in one side cancels out the positive potential in the other. Theoretically, this should result in a zero state where only potential rises and falls with no movement of electricity in the classical sense. I have found pictures of inductors wound with the coils I am talking about adding, but when I tried to wind them, I ran in to some trouble. Does any one know how to properly wind coils to cancel self induction that could help me out? from what I understand, one coil needs to be wound in one direction, the other coil is then wound in an opposing direction, and one end of the two coils is connected. I would need to rewind for this condition because although the my current configuration lowers self inductance, it does not eliminate it, and any hot current in the system will cancel out the cold, so it needs to be as perfect as possible. As always, I will keep experimenting and keep you updated, but if anyone has any guesses why I am not seeing any output with my current set up, please let me know.
Thanks,
Ajay
P.S- This is the VTA link I referred to: http://jnaudin.free.fr/vta/vtabuild/index.htm
And here is how I plan to wind my coils. To me, it seems that I would essentially be winding two wires next to each other for each turn of wire so that I have a bifilar coil, then connecting the coils to have a short on one side. Because the coils are technically wound in the same direction but hooked up oppositely, I am having a difficult time conceptualizing how one coil can be seen as wound in the opposite direction, where as the pancake coils show this opposite winding in a way that is easy to conceptualize. http://www.magnetricity.com/Bifilar.php

[erfinder]

Hi Erfinder
I live in Telfs in Tirol.My email is [email protected]

Hello forelle,

I have some friends in Kufstein, I will be visiting them soon. I must finish my work, and when that's complete, we can meet. I will send you an email.

Regards

[forelle]

Still not posting pictures, erfinder? I think you did a really good job with your build forelle. However, it seems as though you also have aluminum directly touching the iron that the flux is being gated through. From what I understand, the flux going around in a circle is imperative to a properly functioning apparatus . The flux lines are straight, so the E field is being rotated in vortexes at 90 degrees to the iron bar, like a rotating magnetic field around a wire with current coming through which moves the magnetic field in vortices around the wire, only this is opposite, The coils manifest cold current but because the E field is not cutting through the wires, the flux and E field continue to circulate in a closed loop. By interrupting that loop and stopping the E field with the eddy currents and the conductive properties of aluminum, we are keeping the machine from functioning properly. I say this because my friends design (which can be seen at energybatlabs.com under projects called cold energy unit) is electrically isolated from the armature and the support structure, and it tracks no eddies because it is built with rubber. He is getting cold e output not exceeding input, but a conversion nonetheless. Check his pictures out, and keep us updated on any progress please. Thanks for posting some pics. The build quality is awesome!

Hi Ajay
The mounting plates are made off Hardpaper,this kind is used for covering the walls outside off a building,3 plates(8mm one)glued together it is similar with the brown stuff used in elektromechanic(pertinax),it is garbage because when the pieces are to small they can`t use it.I have only some brass screws,the shaft is also stainless(316)only to avoid problems which i dont know.The core is like bedini coils.I made this arangement because the blochwalls off the coils should stand in 90 degrees to the blochwalls off the magnet(i still dont know why) like bedini allways shows.
Nice day

[forelle]

I hope you don't mind my asking, where are you located in Austria, I would like to visit you. I would be willing to bring a machine or to, including a G-field type prototype. Honestly, I don't think anyone really understands that device, myself included. I have learned many things trying to understand it, and have come to the realization that we aren't limited to the design as its been presented. I'm convinced that phase relations are important but not for the reasons that are being suggested in your comments in my opinion. When dealing with these kinds of typologies, phase relations are not text book. In conventional machines for example we find that the induced shifts its location when the machine is loaded. It shifts to a new location a few electrical degrees from the no load position. G-field like machines "seem" to compensate for this shifting. With deeper understanding more and more complex typologies reveal themselves. In one such device I have experienced what I would call an oscillating in the location of the induced?! What I mean is with the scope, you literally see an alternating wave as is expected, however, when you try coil shorting at the position where you think the peaking potential is, you find its not there?!? That is one of coolest things I have experienced.

Anyway, let me know if you are interested in meeting up. I speak German so, I doubt we will have a communication problem.


Regards

Hi Erfinder
I live in Telfs in Tirol.My email is [email protected]

[erfinder]

Still not posting pictures, erfinder? I think you did a really good job with your build forelle. However, it seems as though you also have aluminum directly touching the iron that the flux is being gated through. From what I understand, the flux going around in a circle is imperative to a properly functioning apparatus . The flux lines are straight, so the E field is being rotated in vortexes at 90 degrees to the iron bar, like a rotating magnetic field around a wire with current coming through which moves the magnetic field in vortices around the wire, only this is opposite, The coils manifest cold current but because the E field is not cutting through the wires, the flux and E field continue to circulate in a closed loop. By interrupting that loop and stopping the E field with the eddy currents and the conductive properties of aluminum, we are keeping the machine from functioning properly. I say this because my friends design (which can be seen at energybatlabs.com under projects called cold energy unit) is electrically isolated from the armature and the support structure, and it tracks no eddies because it is built with rubber. He is getting cold e output not exceeding input, but a conversion nonetheless. Check his pictures out, and keep us updated on any progress please. Thanks for posting some pics. The build quality is awesome!

I don't know you, and don't owe you anything. I gave my conditions.


Regards

[Ajay]

Still not posting pictures, erfinder? I think you did a really good job with your build forelle. However, it seems as though you also have aluminum directly touching the iron that the flux is being gated through. From what I understand, the flux going around in a circle is imperative to a properly functioning apparatus . The flux lines are straight, so the E field is being rotated in vortexes at 90 degrees to the iron bar, like a rotating magnetic field around a wire with current coming through which moves the magnetic field in vortices around the wire, only this is opposite, The coils manifest cold current but because the E field is not cutting through the wires, the flux and E field continue to circulate in a closed loop. By interrupting that loop and stopping the E field with the eddy currents and the conductive properties of aluminum, we are keeping the machine from functioning properly. I say this because my friends design (which can be seen at energybatlabs.com under projects called cold energy unit) is electrically isolated from the armature and the support structure, and it tracks no eddies because it is built with rubber. He is getting cold e output not exceeding input, but a conversion nonetheless. Check his pictures out, and keep us updated on any progress please. Thanks for posting some pics. The build quality is awesome!

[erfinder]

Hi all
I miss a word in this hole thread and this is "create a standing wave" and how this is done.So far i am informed you need this state in nearly every Free Energy machine.I know how you create a standing wave in theory but on my device im not sure if i only have to hook up a dual channel oscilloscope and compare the to coils.And here it's not talked about the phase angles and the max.current and zero voltage that should come out of the machine.For the first i leave it by this questions.Here a picture of my generator wich is speeding up under load,but i dont have tuned it optimaly.I have 8pcs. 20 mm dia 10mm,2 stacked)neodymmagnets polarity changing,by 8.5mm airgap the speed goes from 1000 u/min to 1200 with 2.2 ohm resistor as load.The coils are bifilar 19Awg in series and not bifilar connected.the waveform is after the rectifier and the upper is the current and down is voltage.I thougt i can adjust the degree of the phases with a capacitor and i have tried various kind put there was no change. https://www.google.at/url?sa=t&rct=j...71198958,d.bGQ
[ATTACH=CONFIG]3579[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]3580[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]3581[/ATTACH]
Nice day

I hope you don't mind my asking, where are you located in Austria, I would like to visit you. I would be willing to bring a machine or to, including a G-field type prototype. Honestly, I don't think anyone really understands that device, myself included. I have learned many things trying to understand it, and have come to the realization that we aren't limited to the design as its been presented. I'm convinced that phase relations are important but not for the reasons that are being suggested in your comments in my opinion. When dealing with these kinds of typologies, phase relations are not text book. In conventional machines for example we find that the induced shifts its location when the machine is loaded. It shifts to a new location a few electrical degrees from the no load position. G-field like machines "seem" to compensate for this shifting. With deeper understanding more and more complex typologies reveal themselves. In one such device I have experienced what I would call an oscillating in the location of the induced?! What I mean is with the scope, you literally see an alternating wave as is expected, however, when you try coil shorting at the position where you think the peaking potential is, you find its not there?!? That is one of coolest things I have experienced.

Anyway, let me know if you are interested in meeting up. I speak German so, I doubt we will have a communication problem.


Regards

[forelle]

Hi all
I miss a word in this hole thread and this is "create a standing wave" and how this is done.So far i am informed you need this state in nearly every Free Energy machine.I know how you create a standing wave in theory but on my device im not sure if i only have to hook up a dual channel oscilloscope and compare the to coils.And here it's not talked about the phase angles and the max.current and zero voltage that should come out of the machine.For the first i leave it by this questions.Here a picture of my generator wich is speeding up under load,but i dont have tuned it optimaly.I have 8pcs. 20 mm dia 10mm,2 stacked)neodymmagnets polarity changing,by 8.5mm airgap the speed goes from 1000 u/min to 1200 with 2.2 ohm resistor as load.The coils are bifilar 19Awg in series and not bifilar connected.the waveform is after the rectifier and the upper is the current and down is voltage.I thougt i can adjust the degree of the phases with a capacitor and i have tried various kind put there was no change. https://www.google.at/url?sa=t&rct=j...71198958,d.bGQ

Nice day