How to Make a Bedini Crystal Battery

[citizensnips]

I want everyone to know that I have posted my opinion of this crystal battery after constructing several cells and after dismanteling them after they proved to funtion for long but limited period of time and all my posts and my account were deleted after I posted. I also posted my opinion of the $240 crystal cell that Bedini is selling and it was also deleted none of my posts were malicious I just spoke the truth with a friendly attitude. I have knowledge of these crystal cells that I was willing to share but now I see these forums are just for selling stuff.

[geoffrey sr miller]

Well guys I will not be posting this stuff to this sight anymore. I guess like a child I did not read directions be fore beginning. LOL. My apologies to the administrator and every one else for not doing so. I guess you better hurry and if you want the info copy it before the administrator removes it. I am doing this before the reprimand. I just started this morning to read from beginning. Thanks to Geoffrey for his interest and not shooting me down from the start. Thanks again

David, over and out!

P.S going back to page 5. LOL

Hi David

Thanks for the pic. the top 3 pic's did not show up.

I would like to talk to you here is my

phone: # 215-910-1193

E-mail: [email protected]

Website: Energy Bat

Could you please e-mail me some pic's of your cell's?

what other forum do you post in?




Thank You and have a great day!


Geoffrey

[drodenbe]

Well guys I will not be posting this stuff to this sight anymore. I guess like a child I did not read directions be fore beginning. LOL. My apologies to the administrator and every one else for not doing so. I guess you better hurry and if you want the info copy it before the administrator removes it. I am doing this before the reprimand. I just started this morning to read from beginning. Thanks to Geoffrey for his interest and not shooting me down from the start. Thanks again

David, over and out!

P.S going back to page 5. LOL

[drodenbe]

Geoffrey:
Thanks for the info this wasn't as intuitive as one of the other forums I am on. Getting old I guess. LOL.

Here are a few of the cells I have made. I have more but these are the most recent. I am not sure if I covered the big one but it is made with the epoxy resin and iron filings with the copper electrodes inside a 2 inch id 12 inch long pvc pipe the inside hollow tube where the five batteries go is a 1/2 inch pvc pipe. The outside is a 5 inch id 12 inch long aluminum pipe 1/4 inch thick with a galvanized steel liner made from a piece heating duct I cut up. This is the outer electrode of the crystal cell. I wound a 11 meter long bifilar coil on the outside of the 2 inch piece of pvc pipe. I brought up to the top of the cell the bottom wires of the coil. These are the wires sticking out of the top of the cell. I then rapped the coil in copper tape for the inside electrode of the crystal cell. Since this cell is complicated I am going to scan in a page of my notes. They are a rough draft and I will need to convert to power point but to get this info into your hands asap I will post a page of my rough notes. Don't spas out I said they are rough. LOL. The cell was a test to see if more mass would improve the process. I also wanted to use the built in crystal cell as a supply for the joule thief coil I wound on the outside of the two inch pipe. I wanted to see if I stimulated the cell with a particular frequency if It would help in this case. But I messed up the mix and got too happy with the iron filings, Galina, and iron pyrite. I basically have a big shorted chunk of cement. So I will have to jack hammer out the crystal cell part and start over. Another reason for the coil and crystal cell was because just before I started back on the crystal cell builds I discovered how to make a self runner joule thief that would charge the battery it was running on and charge another secondary battery while running a jumbo Led. It too was slow but faster than the ambient chargers. This was to be a combination of both but I will have to redo the crystal cell. I was not quite sure if I could get the self running process to work in this case. The coil that needs to be wound to make this happen is a lot different in construction and the lengths are different. Just a hint. You have to follow the 1,3,13 rule. Of coarse I made up the rule. LOL. This just means I used a length x for feedback coil then 3x for collector coil then 13x for the third coil which is a combination secondary battery charge, a feed back winding.

This cell was a combination of the ambient and crystal cell and joule thief charger. Well I guess I got off tangent. Sorry. By the way if you look at the charging data in my notes, even with the shorted crystal cell it does charge the batteries. My next chore is to build a microprocessor controlled battery dyno so to speak. That way I can bring down each battery to a certain voltage, measure the time it takes to do so then charge it back up with the ambient charger then do the same test to see if the power level is the same or diminished etc.

David

[geoffrey sr miller]

HI David

Thank you for the info.

To post an attachment just hit the insert image button, and down load the pic's from your computer.

look forward to the pic's of your work.


Thanks Geoffrey

[drodenbe]

ambient chargers

For now I will share the basics of the other two cells just to get you started. The cells all basically use the same idea. They are variations on the organite compound that is being used for cloud busting. You can read about it on the internet. I have made several cloud busters several years ago, like about 10 years. So I am familiar with that process. I have for a long time wondered if you could use the energy that is being collected and directed for tower busting and cloud busting to make some type of electrical generator. So these cells are my first proof of concept. Until I figure out how to get an attachment to work I will just at this time give you the basics of what I am doing. Cell 2 is constructed similar to cell one but it has a cardboard tube in the center to fit a C cell battery. On the outside of the tube is the copper tape. I use a 2 inch by 2.5 inch long pvc pipe. Cheaper than the plexiglass. second Electrode goes all the way round the inside of the pvc pipe. The positive electrode is the inside one and the negative the outside electrode. The matrix material is a mixture of Iron filings from a local machine shop, Portland cement, and quartz sand. Equal parts of the matrix material mixed in Epoxy resin. Mixed all matrix material first. Then mixed resin with hardener then added the matrix material. If you add too much metallic material you will draw over current when you apply 2000 volts. If this happens there is still a chance the cell will work. I just realized as I am writing this I need to check this theory out. I was trying to make an Electret at the time and I have never not uset the voltage. I think it does make a difference but at this time there needs to be more tests and more proof of concept by others.

Cell #3 is same matrix mix except on the inner cardboard tube I installed a galvanized steel liner on the inside and rapped the outside with a layer of fine steel wool then a complete rap of Black electrical tape then another layer of steel wool then tape. Repeat 5 times in this case then glued the inside tube to a piece of cardboard in the center. Glued a 3 inch cardboard tube around this at same height 2.5 inches. Installed 2 copper tape electrodes 180 degrees from each other, attached leads, filled with matrix material, applied 2000 volts until cured. Ok. These are the first variations of the cells that work. Will post pictures when I get the attachment thing figured out. I hope, with your help. LOL.



Data: for cell #1

02-22-13 8:00 AM 1.15320 V : 8:50 PM 1.17860 V
02-23-13 4:35 AM 1.18310 V : 5:00 PM 1.18840 V
02-24-13 5:00 AM 1.19030 V : 9:00 PM 1.19402 V
02-25-13 3:30 AM 1.19450 V : 3:40 Pm 1.19870 V
02-26-13 9:40 AM 1.19940 V : 9:00 PM 1.20060 V

Stopped test but left in cell and checked just before writing this and it is 1.20140 and still rising.
all other batteries in the other cells were similar. I can provide exact data if requested. Noticed newer
batteries charged faster that older nicads.

P.S. Look up Orgone generators and accumulators for more information on the matrix material.

David

[drodenbe]

Cell #1 Constructed from 2 inch plexiglass pipe by 2.5 inches long. I glued on an end cap with 5 minute epoxy made from a circuit board material. Made two electrodes from copper tape 2 inches wide 2 inches long cut from copper flashing material with plastic backing that can be removed and is sticky on one side. Picked up at Manards. Expensive but it is what I had and i can solder leads easily. You can use something else for electrodes if you want doesn't matter. Install electrodes 180 degrees from each other, not touching inside tube. Mixed quartz sand, with epoxi resin. The kind you use for auto body work. Picked up at wall mart. Not cheap either! Picked up sand at swimming pool supply bought 50 lbs for about 8.00. It is a lot of sand but you can use it in other ambient projects. Mixed about two table spoons per oz. You want to be able to pore it so don't make it so thick you can't. Don't have to be real precise in this case. You won't short out cell like you can if you mix too much iron or metal filings of some sort. I then mixed enough to fill tube. While curing I applied 2000 volts DC with 20 ma current limit until cured then removed voltage. After cured I drilled a hole for a AA size nicad battery in center. I started with a AA but you can use a C cell or what ever fits without removing too much matrix material. I have just discovered this anomaly so there is a lot more work to be done to see if it can be improved. Such a the thickness of the walls of the charger. Will greater thickness improve cell or does it matter? Don't know at this time. Thought with more people working at same time mabe might find a better process.

I also found that if you hook up a battery by the leads to the electrodes in the same polarity as it was conditioned it will charge battery. If you hook up backwards it will discharge it. With the hole in center just drop in a battery that needs charged and wait a couple days. If you have a voltage meter that goes out to .ooooo places you will see the process. If you don't have one it will take a day or two before you notice a difference with.000 accuracy. I bought a HP meter second hand on line and it is a must if you are going to work with this. It doesn't happen very fast but it does happen. Would have missed it if I was using a basic meter. I will share the rest of my cells as I get the data transferred from my notes. This was an unexpected event so my notes are a little messy to share directly. Started out not taking notes just using up some time untill next project and had to go back and write every thing down after the fact. At least on first cell.

This will get you started with the cheapest build so have fun.

P.S. Whats the secret to posting attatchments. New to posting and on this forum can't find the correct process. Need help to post the pictures and rar files. Thanks

David

[geoffrey sr miller]

Hi. My name is David and I am new to this Forum. I just registered and have not taken the time to read much. I have been making crystal cells off and on for about 2 or 3 years. I made a half dozen when I first got started and then moved on to other projects. I am retired so I have a lot time to devote to Free energy projects. I just about 2 weeks ago started to work with some new designs. I have one that I came across by accident trying to develop an Electret. Have been interested in these for several years but have not been successful until now.

Having said all this I wanted to show this device because it is, I think real interesting and a start to possibly increase the effect. Which is what I am attempting to do now. So here it is. In the process of making a Electret I fount that if you connect it to a battery or a capacitor it will charge them. My first ones were just flat with the dielectric between two plates. As the dielectric was solidifying I applied 2,000 volts dc with a 20ma current limit. I left the charge on until fully cured. When I removed the charge I hooked up my volt meter, (HP3490A 6 1/2 digit). The reading would start out random then settle down to 12 volt and rapidly count up then go over range change polarity a few times then go to zero then start process all over each time reducing about a volt after reaching over range. This would go on for a few minutes then would just randomly jump all over the place both + and - over range etc. So I found that this was a good indication that it would charge a battery or capacitor. Over the next days I ran test on various batteries that I discharged and it would recharge them. It was a slow process but it did recharge them just the same. I then tried a couple super caps I had one was a series of 2.5 volt 2600 F Maxwell super caps I bought on line I removed one to make a 2.5 volt 2600f cap for my joulethief projects. The other was 6 in series for 15 volt cap also for my projects. The unit would charge both caps to around 2.4 volts after about 48 hours. I thought this was impressive since they will pull some 60amp or more to charge if you apply the max voltage.

But the biggest surprise came when I made a Electret with a hollow tube in center and just placed a discharged 1.2 volt nicad in the tube. I monitored over several days and to my surprise it recharged the battery with out any wires connected. Just lying inside the tube. So I made some 5 or 6 variations and have charged some 10 to 12 batteries both AAA, AA, C, D cell batteries. I think this is vary interesting. If anyone would like to know the process I would be glad to post my data and designs. For my first post I think I have been wordy enough and do not want to bore if no interest. Feel free to let me know it any one is interested. Thanks.

Ps I know this is really not a chemical cell but I did not know where to post. I am hoping John will read and do some test on his own to confirm my findings. Also if I am in the wrong forum and need to be some where else let me know. I am a newbe to posting. thanks again.

David

Hi David

welcome, I would love to see some pic's of your Electrect & data on how you make Your Electret anything else.


For John B. : Are you going to patent any crystal cell Tec. & bring out a NEW PRODUCT???

Nice work

Thanks Geoffrey Miller, Have a great day!

[drodenbe]

Hi. My name is David and I am new to this Forum. I just registered and have not taken the time to read much. I have been making crystal cells off and on for about 2 or 3 years. I made a half dozen when I first got started and then moved on to other projects. I am retired so I have a lot time to devote to Free energy projects. I just about 2 weeks ago started to work with some new designs. I have one that I came across by accident trying to develop an Electret. Have been interested in these for several years but have not been successful until now.

Having said all this I wanted to show this device because it is, I think real interesting and a start to possibly increase the effect. Which is what I am attempting to do now. So here it is. In the process of making a Electret I fount that if you connect it to a battery or a capacitor it will charge them. My first ones were just flat with the dielectric between two plates. As the dielectric was solidifying I applied 2,000 volts dc with a 20ma current limit. I left the charge on until fully cured. When I removed the charge I hooked up my volt meter, (HP3490A 6 1/2 digit). The reading would start out random then settle down to 12 volt and rapidly count up then go over range change polarity a few times then go to zero then start process all over each time reducing about a volt after reaching over range. This would go on for a few minutes then would just randomly jump all over the place both + and - over range etc. So I found that this was a good indication that it would charge a battery or capacitor. Over the next days I ran test on various batteries that I discharged and it would recharge them. It was a slow process but it did recharge them just the same. I then tried a couple super caps I had one was a series of 2.5 volt 2600 F Maxwell super caps I bought on line I removed one to make a 2.5 volt 2600f cap for my joulethief projects. The other was 6 in series for 15 volt cap also for my projects. The unit would charge both caps to around 2.4 volts after about 48 hours. I thought this was impressive since they will pull some 60amp or more to charge if you apply the max voltage.

But the biggest surprise came when I made a Electret with a hollow tube in center and just placed a discharged 1.2 volt nicad in the tube. I monitored over several days and to my surprise it recharged the battery with out any wires connected. Just lying inside the tube. So I made some 5 or 6 variations and have charged some 10 to 12 batteries both AAA, AA, C, D cell batteries. I think this is vary interesting. If anyone would like to know the process I would be glad to post my data and designs. For my first post I think I have been wordy enough and do not want to bore if no interest. Feel free to let me know it any one is interested. Thanks.

Ps I know this is really not a chemical cell but I did not know where to post. I am hoping John will read and do some test on his own to confirm my findings. Also if I am in the wrong forum and need to be some where else let me know. I am a newbe to posting. thanks again.

David

[AnnieJ]

Hi All,

Just seen the following.

NRGLAB PTE LTD Auction Feb.5,2013 - YouTube

Method of construction starts at 4:07.

Appears to be an Aluminium - Lead (Lead not confirmed just an observation) Crystal Battery with 3 ingredients mixed with distilled water to form the crystal between the plates. They don't claim it is a battery and claim it converts ambient heat energy.

I got this from here.

Directory:NRGLab Pte. Ltd. SH boxes - PESWiki

If this is real, it seems that all that is needed is the recipe and replication. But even without the recipe, if real it demonstrates the huge potential in this line of research...

Regards,

Ossie

Dear Ossie,

I’m glad to see here people who share my point of view! I had a chance to be the participant of NRGLab event that took place at Raffles Hotel Singapore on February 5, 2013. I had doubts about that company and their technology. And had many questions as well. I also saw how the SH Box cell was produced by one of event participants. Now I'm sure that this technology is not a rubbish and moreover that this technology is a sensation! I’m highly interested to be the part of development of this innovation. I feel sorry for the people who write negative comments without learning any documents that NRGLab have on their website.

Now I’m in a close contact with NRGLab management team that has endorsed my idea to create the Research Council Foundation that will unite scientists-electricians from all over the world, interested in this unique technology development. I’m not a scientist myself but can act as the organizer on a voluntary basis. If you have any questions, feel free to email me: annie65j[at]gmail[dot]com

[jiant]

I made several batteries with different electrolyres. I tried Alum, Rochelle Salt, Magnesium Sulfate, Activated Carbon, and Magnesium with water wich is Epsom salts. What I found is that the initial voltage after making the battery was always pretty much the same- a little over a volt. But, after time, some batteries lost some of their voltage (some more than others) while others stayed the same. Note that I used the same electrodes which are copper and Zinc. I think the electrodes are the key to the voltage but the electrolyte is the key the the long life and perhaps amperage. Im not sure is my measurements are intirely correct but I dont think it is much of a coincidence when all by batteries produce the same voltage no matter how much I mixed up the formula for the elctrolyte.

[BobZilla]

As I said I am not in a position to tell you with confidence so I will leave it to others who may be more qualified.

I wouldn't be so certain that the voltage was raised from the copper treatment although it could have been. You could be completely right, I'm not saying that it doesn't, only that I couldn't say.

There are other factors involved like the electrolyte, the mass of materials used, possible contaminants like tap water that could have high mineral content. The experimenter you mentioned could have used steel, copper, or aluminum wires/screws to extend the electrodes, really to many variables to list. Heck he may have used two different meters and the assumption is wrong. I don't know because I never tried it without treating the copper.

My point here is really that if you want to find answers you can trust than you need to conduct some experiments. Then you can share your results with the rest of us and that is how we advance collectively. It is great to look through others work but it always needs to be duplicated and verified.

[jiant]

Thanks. I thought that the treatment of the copper is suppose to raise its electronegativity. Thus, it will have a greater electronegative difference with magnesium. Im not totally sure. Also, on youtube, people who treated the copper said that they got much higher volatge. If the treatment of the copper was made so that the magnesium doesn't corrode, why did the voltage increase then?

[BobZilla]

Those are good questions about what exactly the method does but I am not qualified to give you a correct answer. My understanding is that the treatment of the copper prevents corrosion of the magnesium. I have not had my cells long enough to say for sure but from all appearances that would be a true statement.

I approached this by simply trying it to see how it works and I am happy with it. The thing to realize is that these cells are not power houses. They seem to be best geared towards small loads like LED's. I did run a bunch in series and got a small 12v PC fan to spin but not very fast. I imagine with enough in a parallel and series to form enough capacity and voltage would drive larger loads but it doesn't seem practical. I started fooling with the other cells that can be charged, Lead/Lead with Alum and Lead/Zinc(I have a thread about those). I wanted more current than the copper/Mag cells provide.

Yes those water heater anodes would work but they are fairly expensive. I would suggest that you get a fire striker and try making some small cells first so that you do not have to spend as much. You can find them in the camping section of most department stores or your local army surplus.

You can also order a variety of metals at the following site. I purchased Lead, Zinc, and Magnesium from them and they have a fast service.
LINK:
Welcome to RotoMetals, Inc - Non Ferrous Metals and Custom Alloys Call Toll Free 1-800-779-1102

Good luck, and have fun..

[jiant]

Im searching for the magnesium rod and I found that home hardware sells magnesium water heater anodes. Are these anodes pure enough? Plus, how are these crystal batteries different from a lemon battery or a standard AA dry cell?