How to Make a Bedini Crystal Battery

[Branch Gordon]

Nice! Thanks for the info!

Branch,
I got the Soldum metasilaicate pentahydrate ordered from the same place as the Sodium silicate, grade 40 and it was a lot cheaper with no hazard fee....we'll see if I get it.
I guess the material from Sigma-Aldrich might have been lab grade, it was 95 percent pure. Never got a call to why it was cancelled. Still waiting to hear from someone with a chemistry background so I don't mix something up that can hurt me or others.
Linnie

[lcstier]

Branch,
I got the Soldum metasilaicate pentahydrate ordered from the same place as the Sodium silicate, grade 40 and it was a lot cheaper with no hazard fee....we'll see if I get it.
I guess the material from Sigma-Aldrich might have been lab grade, it was 95 percent pure. Never got a call to why it was cancelled. Still waiting to hear from someone with a chemistry background so I don't mix something up that can hurt me or others.
Linnie

[Branch Gordon]

Well that sucks. I wish I could help...I'm no chemist either. Hopefully one of the admins can chime in with a suggestion. I wonder what it takes to be qualified as a lab...that might be an option.

Thanks for the info!

Branch, just got an email from Sigma-Aldrich that my order for the Sodium metasilicate pentahydrate had been canceled due to intended use and/or I’m not a LAB. I will try to call and get info on this order. This product is considered a hazard chemical. The shipping and hazard fee was going to be more than the product. Does anyone know of a different hydrate to replace this one. Also should any special precautions be made mixing the 4 chemicals in message #358 outside the normal eye protection and gloves. I really don’t want to mess around with dangerous chemicals that take SPECIAL handling since I’m not a Chemist. I order some chemicals for my business that I pay a hazard fee, the only way those chemicals are hazard would be if you drink them. Oh well will wait and see.
Linnie

[lcstier]

Branch, just got an email from Sigma-Aldrich that my order for the Sodium metasilicate pentahydrate had been canceled due to intended use and/or I’m not a LAB. I will try to call and get info on this order. This product is considered a hazard chemical. The shipping and hazard fee was going to be more than the product. Does anyone know of a different hydrate to replace this one. Also should any special precautions be made mixing the 4 chemicals in message #358 outside the normal eye protection and gloves. I really don’t want to mess around with dangerous chemicals that take SPECIAL handling since I’m not a Chemist. I order some chemicals for my business that I pay a hazard fee, the only way those chemicals are hazard would be if you drink them. Oh well will wait and see.
Linnie

[Branch Gordon]

Oh ok my bad. Yeah that CBA REALLY helps with everything. My alum battery worked as well...but I struggled with the PH thing too. I ran out of money that month to buy the other chemicals plus another battery...and then I started focusing on my SG.

Let me know how it works out with the chemical mix that John posted. I will replicate if you get it nailed down...I'm planning on revisiting it after the holidays.

Cheers!

Branch: I wasn't trying to build a straight Alum battery but that's what I got....and it does work to some degree, even if it's not right. I will be buying a CBA soon so I have better data.
Building a small ssg and the alum battery has been fun. Thanks to all for putting up with me.
Linnie

[lcstier]

Brian: Thanks for the info, I may have missed that reply due to multi-tasking or maybe I just didn't remember it (I am getting a little old 62). Either way I'll order the chemicals Branch posted in reply #358 and try again with a new battery. I want to get things figured out before a buy big batteries.

Branch: I wasn't trying to build a straight Alum battery but that's what I got....and it does work to some degree, even if it's not right. I will be buying a CBA soon so I have better data.
Building a small ssg and the alum battery has been fun. Thanks to all for putting up with me.
Linnie

[Branch Gordon]

I think Linnie is trying to make a straight alum battery, as I was when I started. In the original video that John posted on the subject, he made an alum mix, put it in a dry battery with zero acid, and formed it and started using it. There were no other chemicals involved. Somewhere through this thread the hydrate 9/5 and sodium silicate, and SO4 were suggested to be added, however I was always interested in the mix John used originally for the straight alum battery.

Linnie
Go back and look at post #356 That formula may be helpful for what you are wanting to do. Good luck
Brian

[Brian McNece]

Linnie
Go back and look at post #356 That formula may be helpful for what you are wanting to do. Good luck
Brian

I purchased a dry motorcycle battery 4Ah, mixed a slippery solution (Alum purchased from spice store on recommendation from Tom C), added 1.5 to 2.00 ml sulfuric acid charged it up. I tested the battery with PH strips and it had a PH of 1, the Alum solution I had left over had a PH of 2. Distilled water has a PH of 7. How do you balance the battery? You must add some other chemical. The chemicals in message #358 I took to mean were for the dry cells not car/motorcycle batteries. Also has anyone figured the ratio of Alum to water besides a slippery feeling. I watched a video yesterday and John K gave a ratio of one gallon water to 2 cups Alum (8:1 ratio) I know each battery is going to be a little different but there must be a starting point. I have read all posts on this thread but I might have missed something.
Thanks, Linnie

[lcstier]

Branch,
I discharged the above battery with 4 LED's wit a rating of 88 mA total @ 12 volts. It discharged it for 23.5 hours to 6.95 volts and stopped (LED's still lit). I do not know if this is good or bad. I plan on buying another battery next week and make a mix of 8:1 plus some sulfuric acid (1 to 2ml per cell), that way I can see how the two batteries differ. I will let you know how it does and also what the PH is based on the 8:1 mix.

[Branch Gordon]

Hi Linnie-

I am curious about this as well. I'm sure you read through some of my posts in this thread where I inquired about the same thing (adjusting the PH). I eventually gave up...no one seemed to have an answer. There definitely needs to be a standard mix nailed down here, beyond "slippery", and a way to bring the PH back up.

I purchased a dry motorcycle battery 4Ah, mixed a slippery solution (Alum purchased from spice store on recommendation from Tom C), added 1.5 to 2.00 ml sulfuric acid charged it up. I tested the battery with PH strips and it had a PH of 1, the Alum solution I had left over had a PH of 2. Distilled water has a PH of 7. How do you balance the battery? You must add some other chemical. The chemicals in message #358 I took to mean were for the dry cells not car/motorcycle batteries. Also has anyone figured the ratio of Alum to water besides a slippery feeling. I watched a video yesterday and John K gave a ratio of one gallon water to 2 cups Alum (8:1 ratio) I know each battery is going to be a little different but there must be a starting point. I have read all posts on this thread but I might have missed something.
Thanks, Linnie

[lcstier]

I purchased a dry motorcycle battery 4Ah, mixed a slippery solution (Alum purchased from spice store on recommendation from Tom C), added 1.5 to 2.00 ml sulfuric acid charged it up. I tested the battery with PH strips and it had a PH of 1, the Alum solution I had left over had a PH of 2. Distilled water has a PH of 7. How do you balance the battery? You must add some other chemical. The chemicals in message #358 I took to mean were for the dry cells not car/motorcycle batteries. Also has anyone figured the ratio of Alum to water besides a slippery feeling. I watched a video yesterday and John K gave a ratio of one gallon water to 2 cups Alum (8:1 ratio) I know each battery is going to be a little different but there must be a starting point. I have read all posts on this thread but I might have missed something.
Thanks, Linnie

[Faraday88]

I was refering to the Aluminium electrode and not the crystal chemical (Electrolyte)

Faraday88.

[John_Koorn]

John Bedini has always recommended Ammonium Aluminum Sulphate. The exact chemical formula is in this thread.

John K.

[Faraday88]

Hi Branch,
I guess Aluminium will work in place of Magnesium..... and is easily available..
Rgds,
Faraday88.

[hartiberlin]

Too bad, no one knows and John and Chuck are busy ??

Well anyway,

made 3 new battery update videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1DSqI2jpvg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzvy0ydMFCw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J7MhhdXWGs

Enjoy !

Regards, Stefan.