How to Make a Bedini Crystal Battery

[GMANG73]

Alum from ebay about $13.50 to get to my door/takes about 1 month, not viable, amount = 53 grams not enough to even seed then grow a larger crystal though I did get small formations of cystals I did not have enough to perform the cyrtalization of the seed crystal.
There is definently a difference between Ammonium Aluminum Sulfate and Aluminum Sulphate the later I have used for about a decade(I tried to seed this and it did not work mabye the 1kg($10) from bunnings was too fine?) its a floculant amoung other things. It can be brought cheap and it easy to get even in bulk you can get it from your local produce store, bunnings, pool suppliers ect.
Wikapedia has them as different elements.
I am currently trying to source kilogram amounts of Ammonium Aluminum Sulfate into the country unless anyone else knows of a vendor.?
I will prefer to follow what John B said is use the Ammonium Aluminum Sulfate if possible.
Are there any Ozzies who are able to purchace Ammonium Aluminum Sulfate?
Best Regards,

Grant.

[plengo]

and one more video showing more details about corrosion on this cell: Crystal Cell 7 - Corrosion ? I think not - YouTube

I think that there is very minimal if no corrosion.

Fausto.

[HeavensPavement]

P[QUOTE=GMANG73;4175]John Mentioned this,

"I have been testing this theory for months now, but I did not want to say anything until I was sure what was going on. The mix was very simple 50% Alum (Ammonium Aluminum Silicate) and 50% (Sodium Carbonate) "

I thought the Alum we were supposed to use was Ammonium aluminium sulfate food grade not Ammonium Aluminum Silicate.
I might be wrong..but my understanding is the video where John shows the chemicals and in a post he gives the mix...that this compound is that...ammonium aluminum sulfate is part of the mix...
I too got all my chems from eBay .
I have not played with the carbonate mix yet....working on being able to pour my own plates.
Can someone please clarify ?
Greetings from the Far North by the way....

[geoffrey sr miller]

Geoffrey,
Sorry, been very busy but I will be back soon. Been busy upgrading all the amplifiers, everybody wants them rebuilt all at once. Get back with you soon.I douse that kiln at 1500 degrees.

Hi John

How long do you put the copper in kiln for at 1500 degrees until it turns black?

Are you and Chuck still going to work on the crystal cells, after you finish getting the SG plastic unit ready to sell at the end of Dec.?

Have you and Chuck done anything else with the self running oscillator / battery unit that you built?

Thank You and have great day!


Geoffrey

[GMANG73]

John Mentioned this,

"I have been testing this theory for months now, but I did not want to say anything until I was sure what was going on. The mix was very simple 50% Alum (Ammonium Aluminum Silicate) and 50% (Sodium Carbonate) "

I thought the Alum we were supposed to use was Ammonium aluminium sulfate food grade not Ammonium Aluminum Silicate.
Can someone please clarify ?
I havent read all the post although most of them and watched most of the videos they are all good data. I appreciate the hours people are seflesly sharing.
I was a swimmming pool operator for about 8 years about 10 years ago and I used common alum sulphate about twice a week to make a flock to catch particles and clarify the water.
I also used soda ash and one thing I learnt was that all pools are out of balance and they can never be in balance they are overfed or hungry (langlier watergram)
My knowledge is limited and I am finding out how little I know about most of this stuff due to the depth of experience that surrounds this forum. though I am a very determined person.
I live in Australia and it does seem hard to get the Ammonium aluminium sulfate food grade although I ordered some from USA from ebay. so time will tell.
I hope people are still posting on this thread as it seems like a great fuel source. and safe and cheap.
Praise to the people who are still chipping and posting videos and information. When I can afford the dvd I will get one hopefully for christmas.
Thanks again Mr John Bedini and Chuck.

[arne v]

Hi,

1.
Import-purchase; Alum from Ebay?
Compare prices!

2.
How to make crystal battery
Copper Magnesium, Alum?
Recommended Johns, Dvd # 27"
step by step.
CRYSTAL BATTERY BASICS with John Bedini DVD 27

arne v

[GMANG73]

Another element

I think we don't have a definite formula yet but guidelines.

Bedini clearly says that H2SO4 (Sulfuric Acid) is helpful in balancing the performance of the electrolyte. Molecules that have H2O locked in such as Epson salts, Sodium Silicate and Borax can be used with the intention of adding H2O to the crystal. Alum is the crystal medium (obviously).

So I think it is a matter of finding the combination of elements that can perform the following functions:
1 - Crystal Growth
2 - Neither Acid or Alkaline solution (balanced)
3 - Metal plates that will not corrode with Alum such as Lead
4 - Locked in H2O molecule (water) so that the cell can store energy
5 - An element that can separate the harmful SO4 (ion of the Sulfuric acid)
6 - The final electrolyte should be aiding the Ion transfer, in other words, the electrolyte must be conductive to electricity flow.

If I am wrong, please clarify guys.

Fausto.

Would polyacrylamide copolymer gel (Garden water crystals) be a good addition?
Uses of polyacrylamide
One of the largest uses for polyacrylamide is to flocculate solids in a liquid. This process applies to wastewater treatment, and processes like paper making. Most polyacrylamide is supplied in a liquid form. The liquid is subcategorized as solution and emulsion polymer. Even though these products are often called 'polyacrylamide', many are actually copolymers of acrylamide and one or more other chemical species, such as an acrylic acid or a salt thereof. The main consequence of this is to give the 'modified' polymer a particular ionic character.
The ionic form of polyacrylamide has found an important role in the potable water treatment industry. Trivalent metal salts like ferric chloride and aluminium chloride are bridged by the long polymer chains of polyacrylamide. This results in significant enhancement of the flocculation rate. This allows water treatment plants to greatly improve the removal of total organic content (TOC) from raw water.
Polyacrylamide is often used in molecular biology applications as a medium for electrophoresis of proteins and nucleic acids in a technique known as PAGE.
Stability

In dilute aqueous solution, such as is commonly used for Enhanced Oil Recovery applications, polyacrylamide polymers are susceptible to chemical, thermal, and mechanical degradation. Chemical degradation occurs when the labile amine moiety hydrolyzes at elevated temperature or pH, resulting in the evolution of ammonia and a remaining carboxyl group. Thus, the degree of anionicity of the molecule increases. Thermal degradation of the vinyl backbone can occur through several possible radical mechanisms, including the autooxidation of small amounts of iron and reactions between oxygen and residual impurities from polymerization at elevated temperature. Mechanical degradation can also be an issue at the high shear rates experienced in the near-wellbore region. However, cross-linked variants of polyacrylamide have shown greater resistance to all of these methods of degradation, and have proved much more stable

I may be way off although I figured this ticked a few boxes from fausto in theory. Locked in H2O, Crystal growth,would the water crystals also stop the crystals from expanding too much? or opposite? it should aid the ionic effect.
I have no chemicals to play with although I thought I would add.
I am a simple man although I really do appreciate you guys trying to make a better world.
That and I couldn't sleep p.s. John your ssg circuit is pretty cool I never had anything to do with electronics and I am fasinated in the gift you have given.
Well test a theory. they are cheap if you havent already.
Best Regards,

G.G.

[GMANG73]

Hi all,

Grant from Australia I am interested in making some crystal batteries although getting the Ammonium aluminium sulfate might be tricky I am trying to get it from ebay.
Has anyone figured the other liquid that makes the crystals near instantly? I have nbeen watching all of the videos Thanks to john chuck and everyone involved.
Really good work guys.

G.G.

[HeavensPavement]

Thanks John and Chuck for popping in and letting know your OK.
I have been watching your videos over and over, awesome content, thank you!
I'm finally starting to play...
I'm coming at angle of working with what you got.
Some one gave batteries that where destined for the dump. The connecting bar for the red plates, for a lack of a better term, rooted off, of course the batteries where dry. At lot of the grey plates where in good shape.
I know this is considered junk to most people , but combined with the lack of funds and the desire to see what can be done...
?in wanting to make these cells, can I grind up the red plates and proceed like in the video when you cast your own.
?should I heat the red plates first, or not, or is there any other process needed.
@ John I just noticed that you have a DVD out on crystal batteries....what content is on it?
Thanks John for your willing to give, may you receive a hundred fold return....
...Heavens Pavement....

[John_Bedini]

Geoffrey,
Sorry, been very busy but I will be back soon. Been busy upgrading all the amplifiers, everybody wants them rebuilt all at once. Get back with you soon.I douse that kiln at 1500 degrees.

[Chuck Hupp]

Those with concern...

John is fine. We have been very busy in the audio side of Bedini upgrading existing amps and designing new ones.

Chuck Hupp

[geoffrey sr miller]

To: Tom C. & John Koorn

Thank you for the info. I know how to fire the copper with a torch.
I wanted to know weather John B. used a Paragon kiln to fire the copper.

Is John B. posting any more on this forum? is he ok?

He used to ans. my posts I just wanted to know what has happen to john?



Thank You and have a great day!


Geoffrey

[John_Koorn]

Then it was dipped on a Borax solution which is what made it go black.

John K.

[Tom C]

Hi John

What temp. do you fire your copper bowls at, and for how long of a time in your Paragon kiln , if you use it to fire the copper to get the bowl ALL BLACK ?

The reason I ask is, I want to see the difference in your TIME compared to my time.

I PM you with my new phone# if you want to call.


Thanks and have a great day.


Geoffrey


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geoffrey, at the conferenc ewhere he built one he heated the copper with a mapp gas torch until it changed to red, not glowing red, but the surface of the copper changed to a red patina.

Tom C

[geoffrey sr miller]

Hi John

What temp. do you fire your copper bowls at, and for how long of a time in your Paragon kiln , if you use it to fire the copper to get the bowl ALL BLACK ?

The reason I ask is, I want to see the difference in your TIME compared to my time.

I PM you with my new phone# if you want to call.

Two pic.s of alum crystal.

1. crystal dry
2. crystal will not dry out!! ( after 7 mo's )

John What did you used in your mix #2 pic??





Thanks and have a great day and I hope things are well.


Geoffrey