3 Battery Setup

[David Bowling]

UFO motor/ 3BGS - YouTube
UFO/ 3BGS test 2 - YouTube
3BGS Test 3 - YouTube

Mr. Bedini, I hope you have the time to comment on this. It is your baby. I just happened to get extremely lucky with some combination I still do NOT understand. You may believe i am full of crap, but I know what I saw, and I was lucky enough to get the thing working a few days ago just like the original device. If you think I am full of crap, I'm sorry, because your opinions and ideas on this would be much appreciated. Regardless, I will continue working on it, because once you have seen what is possible, nobody can convince you that you haven't seen it.

The setup I had working JUST LIKE THE ORIGINAL (which means charging the primaries while there is a load on the motor and a load on battery 3) a few days ago is no longer working as well as it was, and I am not sure why. When I took my motor apart, one of the four brushes that make up the power input circuit was not making contact and two of the 16 sections on the armature (which by coincidence were nearly 180 degrees from each other) were not making contact. This is a UFO modified motor, so it has two commutators, and the two sections on the armature were "dead" which COULD mean it was acting more like a pulse motor. I do NOT know when these problems occurred. So any one of these three "problems" may have been why the motor was so successful in the videos I show here, OR SOME COMBINATION OF THESE PROBLEMS, or it could have been the timing. Those are the variables. All three of the problems are now fixed, and it still isn't working like it was.

I hope this is of interest and not too far off topic for this forum, since it IS based on something Mr. Bedini published.

Dave Bowling

[Woody]

Hi David,

Thought I would mess with this a bit. I have a really dead 12v motorcycle battery that I hooked up as illustrated in stage #4. I used a 12v very small DC motor from Radio Shack as the load. At first there was absolutely no action. Even after a couple hours the dead batt had remained above 25v and even hand spinning the motor resulted in no rotation. After having the system hooked up a few times for several hours at a time over a couple of days, the dead battery finally reduced to around 24.5v and I gave the motor a spin. It started! It now surges and slows erratically, after stopping occasionally at first. When I first put the test leads across the the motor, it would read about 4v. Now it reads over 6v. The dead battery would drop initially to about 19v and now is around 18v while the system is hooked up and the motor is running. If I isolate the dead battery the voltage is around 1.6v standing. This dead batt started out at .547v, and had been sitting in a motorcycle outdoors for about 11 years. Very interesting behavior.

-Woody

[Woody]

A quick update. After running several hours today, the dead battery when isolated has about .56v, the voltage across the running, DC brushed 12v motor is 11.98v and the voltage across the dead battery with it all hooked up and the motor running is 12.56v. Pretty weird. The dead battery is not charging at all, but all these voltages are continuing to change through the day. Hmmm......

-Woody

[Woody]

Well, after running all day I have some things to note: The system responds to the demand put on it, but slowly. I have an LED and a 12v incandescent automotive bulb hooked up in parallel with the motor. When a new load is added, the motor slows way down, and may stop and start for some time. After a period time which is related to the amount of new load added, the unit eventually re-establishes itself at a higher RPM and runs smoothly again. After running with the 12v auto bulb for a while, I noticed that the top 1/2 inch of the dead battery from the water line down was quite warm. It became progressively cooler, till at the bottom it was about room temp. The dead battery is actually getting more dead as the process continues. I just measured it at .124v isolated. It is however, handling more load as I slowly add load and let it adjust to it.

I noticed that the voltage measured across the leads of the running motor + the voltage of the dead battery measured as the system is hooked up and motor running, is about equal to the combined voltages of the 2 good batteries. Also, when I hook up the system again after not running for a period of time, the motor will start after a short delay of a few seconds. At first, it took a couple of days of it being hooked up like it is now before the motor began to run.

Ok, 'nuf of that for today. Bedtime.

-Woody

[aetherman]

What is an AWG battery? I have heard of wire sizes awg- but what is an AWG battery? Thanks Al Sollid

[David Bowling]

aetherman,

I apologize. That should read AGM battery. I have no idea why I typed AWG. I also apologize for not checking back here. It seemed like nobody was interested in this thread, which is a real shame considering what so many people who have tried it have seen.

Woody, are you seeing that after your runs the primary batteries recover? Lose? Gain? We have been able to pull 12 volts at 12 amps out of that setup for about 30 minutes at a time and still have the primaries recover. When you get a run where the primaries are climbing you can pull out as much as you want. It can be endless. My initial setup ran for a couple weeks and gave me all the power I wanted. So maybe you will get lucky. If you do, document the heck out of everything so we can figure this thing out.

I will be working on my setup again beginning the first of next week. I have been busy on some other builds, so haven't been messing with this, but I will never give up on it. Once you have seen the thing really work, you're hooked.

Dave

[Tom C]

aetherman,

I apologize. That should read AGM battery. I have no idea why I typed AWG. I also apologize for not checking back here. It seemed like nobody was interested in this thread, which is a real shame considering what so many people who have tried it have seen.

Woody, are you seeing that after your runs the primary batteries recover? Lose? Gain? We have been able to pull 12 volts at 12 amps out of that setup for about 30 minutes at a time and still have the primaries recover. When you get a run where the primaries are climbing you can pull out as much as you want. It can be endless. My initial setup ran for a couple weeks and gave me all the power I wanted. So maybe you will get lucky. If you do, document the heck out of everything so we can figure this thing out.

I will be working on my setup again beginning the first of next week. I have been busy on some other builds, so haven't been messing with this, but I will never give up on it. Once you have seen the thing really work, you're hooked.

Dave

Dave,

I read every post of every thread everyday....... I just have so many irons in the fire right now that this particular experiment is not something I can do. I continue to watch, when you figure out how to generate useful power and use this setup, I am sure the thread will light up!!

Tom C

[David Bowling]

TomC,
I brought this idea to the forums hoping lots and lots of folks would try it, get excited, and help to find the solution. I thought that by working together as a group we could solve the problem. But that hasn't happened. Every group either doesn't get rolling (like this one) or dies out from lack of interest like the ones on OU and EF. But that's ok, because I don't need the groups to help me anymore. :-)

Dave

[blackchisel97]

David, I'm not done with this setup yet and it is still mounted on the board. Just got too much on my plate and more on my shoulders now. We met on EF before.

Cheers
Vtech

[aetherman]

David Thanks for the reply. I used three AAA nicads and a small Radio Shack motor(3V) and the circuit works . The motor is stock- no rewinding of the armature for two independent windings with another set of brushes, and it still works. The only problem is that battery #3 overcharges. So I will try it again with two batterys in parallel for the number three position. The same circuit also seems to work with AA nicads. I submit that this circuit works so well because of the carbon in the brushes. There is an experiment by Professor Vallee on the Naudin website which demonstrates the power generated by arcing (burning) carbon. The E.Gray tube also burns carbon. I am hooked. Al Sollid

[David Bowling]

aetherman,
You could be right about the brushes. My question would be, why does it STOP working when I am still able to run the motor, since the brushes haven't worn out yet. It's nice to hear it works with nicads. But what do you mean by "it works"? Are you able to run loads off the motor and battery three without drawing down on your primaries? Just put a load on battery three and it won't charge. That's the real test. If you put a load on battery three and the motor speeds up. (or it should) Then put a load on the motor and the charging of battery three should increase. If you have that going on, you are golden. You keep adding to one then the other until you reach the limits of your little motor. Then get a BIGGER motor!


blackchisel, I remember! LOL
Dave

[Woody]

aetherman,

I apologize. That should read AGM battery. I have no idea why I typed AWG. I also apologize for not checking back here. It seemed like nobody was interested in this thread, which is a real shame considering what so many people who have tried it have seen.

Woody, are you seeing that after your runs the primary batteries recover? Lose? Gain? We have been able to pull 12 volts at 12 amps out of that setup for about 30 minutes at a time and still have the primaries recover. When you get a run where the primaries are climbing you can pull out as much as you want. It can be endless. My initial setup ran for a couple weeks and gave me all the power I wanted. So maybe you will get lucky. If you do, document the heck out of everything so we can figure this thing out.

I will be working on my setup again beginning the first of next week. I have been busy on some other builds, so haven't been messing with this, but I will never give up on it. Once you have seen the thing really work, you're hooked.

Dave

Hi David,

I'm using flooded lead acid motorcycle batteries on my setup. They are all about 9ah. The dead battery is REALLY gonzo, dead, toast, whatever other adjective you might want to add. I have been out of town for a few days so the testing has been on hold till I can get home again. I will say that the batteries recovered pretty well on shorter runs, but when I just decided to let it run for hours and hours to let it adjust to a new load, they did run down. This is a really interesting line of research, and so simple to do too! I fried a couple coils in my 6 pole monopole, so until I rebuild that, this a great avenue to pursue. Thanks for starting the thread, and bringing this to us!

-Woody

[David Bowling]

Woody,
You can't run this setup (without some modifications) for more than about 30 minutes without it affecting your primaries IN MOST CASES. Once in a while someone will get the perfect circumstances (battery, motor, whatever) and then it will run for days. Glad it is interesting for you. Hopefully it's going to get a LOT MORE interesting over the next few months.

If you look at the thread on EF at http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...system-48.html it will give you some ideas on things people have tried, and some of them have worked.
Dave

[John_Bedini]

@All,
These diagrams come about from the original Tesla Switch this is something that we used to find potential charge. for example you can move charges with the same polarity.
We could never get anybody to study the results. My German Friend told a story of charging single dry cell batteries by rubbing his Keys across them. I showed him the circuits your working with here, he said it worked every time with a mechanical switch. It had something to do with the sparking, or a single pulse. You could call this a spike of voltage. He worked for NASA and the information vanished one day So I'm sure they got the system working and he never was seen again. People have seen some strange effects from this arrangement providing the batteries were rotating electronically at 10 Hz. when the machine was stopped all batteries were charged to full. The load was set by a single resistor or a 12 volt car tail light.

[David Bowling]

John,
Thanks for that information. I know you're a busy guy and I appreciate you taking the time to comment here. We're seeing all kinds of positive results from this and haven't even tried the rotation yet, so that's good to know. We'll keep plugging away at it.

Dave