John Bedini's Magnetic Model

[Yaro1776]

Hello Dave,

Thanks for the video, it was well worth the effort to view it and rather enlightening. Some of us really appreciate the visual show and tell above the written explanations. There were at least a couple of points that helped to explain areas that I have had questions about. All in all the simple step by step methodology certainly works for me. Thank you Russ for your demonstrations.

I will have to view this video at least a couple of more times to engrain all the information and then go through my videos and O scope screenshots again. A chore, but well worth the effort since I have well over 40 ZFM videos and 100 or so screenshots. Each time I go through this data another interesting nugget is found.

My interest is piqued! Once I get organized, I will start another advanced ZFM thread to further explore this beast.

Thank you for your thoughtfulness in your reply,
Yaro

[Dave Wing]

Continuation from the above post… Here is the second image showing the scope shot of the coil sweeping past the magnet.

Hope this helps or at least piques your interest a little.

Dave Wing

[Dave Wing]

Hey Yaro,

Good to hear from you friend. I found a video that will help most any experimenter understand magnet / coil relations and what to expect with each configuration. Russ from RWGresearch secured himself a very expensive Bell Gauss meter that can be hooked up to an oscilloscope so we can see the magnetic fields and the direction of each configuration tested. Really Russ needs to be thanked a whole bunch for this video as it does most of the leg work when it comes to understanding the interactions of various magnet coil configurations and the produced directional fields.

Here is the video: https://youtu.be/H6H3RymQC7g?si=OLMjt2vy92-9W_CN

You will find the zero force motor magnet / coil configuration measured as well in the video. I will also include what I consider to be a very important coil and magnet arrangement that puts CEMF and applied voltage in the same direction.

[Yaro1776]

Hola Dave or Hello depending on your headset,

I have been out of the loop here for a few years due to the onset of the dreaded senior years health problems. Irrespective of these issues I continue to be impressed with your continuing effort to push the unattainable, at least for many. You Provide way too much critical information that perhaps baffles the initiated, but that is the nature of the beast.

My efforts with the ZFM are at times, for many overwhelming, but these efforts have been very supportive of many speculations as to further experimentation. The ZFM is a very curious beast, at least to me.

I do see that you are questioning the length of the rotor magnets (ZFM), but at this point I have only pushed the Neo length to 2" where the best to date performance resides. It May be that increasing the length of the Neo magnets along with the width of the coils are positive performance enhancers. The deeper I dig into the performance O scope data the more I learn. The ZFM is an air coil and it has very different characteristics from a typical Iron core coil in voltage rise time Very different beast . Go figure... Way toooooo much data to review at one sitting.

Perhaps I need to organize the ZFM data in a more accessible format? At least for others...

Anyway, I intend to follow through on the super pole concept that I envisioned between two similar ZFM coil poles. Truly, an unanswered question.

The other modification to be completed is improving the precision of the timing (advance and dwell for a specific coil config). The timing is very critical for performance improvement and requires the ability for rapid config changes. Arduino, yada ,yada. Sorry I appear to be ranting here.

Been away way too long - I miss the stimulation,
Yaro

[Dave Wing]

Recently I spoken with somebody who has used small circuit for speding rotor under load.... basicaly , his circcuit is used to switch the generator coil to load at top dead center...lenz law acting to push the rotor forward.... I asked him few questions, schematic was provided but I still have unclarities... I think this ideea can improve our bedini systems by using generator coils that will speed our rotors under load .... so here is the facebook post... https://m.facebook.com/groups/112986...1415127828493/

I looked at the Facebook post, if you do your own experiments please post your results, the more people working on this and posting their results the better.

John Bedini used the three coil arrangement in his “ferris wheel” and produced a thread on this at Energetic forums. Jim Watson also used the arrangement, in the above picture you can see the offset in the magnets and coils. John Bedini helped Jim and told him how to build these machines back in 1984.

John Bedini was on the Bill Jenkins radio show called “Open Mind” back in 1984, on the show he makes reference to his machine and calls it an interferometer and mentions about building them and selling them to the public.

Dave Wing

[sinergicus]

Recently I spoken with somebody who has used small circuit for speding rotor under load.... basicaly , his circcuit is used to switch the generator coil to load at top dead center...lenz law acting to push the rotor forward.... I asked him few questions, schematic was provided but I still have unclarities... I think this ideea can improve our bedini systems by using generator coils that will speed our rotors under load .... so here is the facebook post... https://m.facebook.com/groups/112986...1415127828493/

[Dave Wing]

Now spin the rotor the other way and see what happens. Also try try a separate trigger coil, hall effect or optical switching device. This will give you better machine rpm’s and performance.

[sinergicus]

It is a learning process. Are you using an inductive trigger or separate triggering system?

I believe Lenz is reduced but not nullified with this arrangement. I suspect, but have not had the time to do some extensive experiments, that there is a way to wind a coil so that the voltage and current will be in the same direction. I will post Chris Sykes pdf on partnered output coils.

https://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/Guide...ng%20Coils.pdf

Dave Wing

My coil is clasicall bedini coil with triger winding toghether with power and colector coil(trifilar winding ) and yes ,i observed reduced lenz effect ,but very little ..also consumption has increased but the spike also... i tried with separators between magnets I observed no difference in performanve without separators... maybe on osciloscope we can see some differences but I didn' verified..

[Dave Wing]

It is a learning process. Are you using an inductive trigger or separate triggering system?

I believe Lenz is reduced but not nullified with this arrangement. I suspect, but have not had the time to do some extensive experiments, that there is a way to wind a coil so that the voltage and current will be in the same direction. I will post Chris Sykes pdf on partnered output coils.

https://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/Guidelines%20to%20Bucking%20Coils.pdf

Dave Wing

[sinergicus]

sinergicus, can you show some images or video of your machine? Do you have ammeters in vs out? What voltage are you running at and what is your charging configuration? Schematic would be nice as well.

Hi Dave..... when I measured rhe amp and voltage of the generator coil the rotor had very low speed ...my conclusion was wrong .... I remade the experiment at more faster rotation around 1400 - 1500rpm, frequency measured in a generator coil was 112 hz with 5 pair rectangular doubled (so in fact are 10 ) ferite magnets on their side ..... now I have decent voltage and amp in my generator coil but the lenz effect still taking place.... I am curious if I will put some separators between every pair of magnets ,like was sugested in some Bedini drawings ,I am curious how the system will work ...

[Dave Wing]

sinergicus, can you show some images or video of your machine? Do you have ammeters in vs out? What voltage are you running at and what is your charging configuration? Schematic would be nice as well.

[sinergicus]

sinergicus, I am researching the generator function and the differences, one thing I can say is a generator can be made to perform switching without a transistor, the waveform is exactly like the transistor switched SSG wave form, it has a spike.

A magnet and an inductor can be made to switch, producing high voltage pulses, the arrangement fires just like a switching transistor.

Currently I am working on a generator with what is described above. Pulse motor and pulse generator that are two separate machines, back to the basics for proper R&D.

Dave Wing

Hi Dave .... today I tried your sugestion to put the magnets on their side on the rotor... My Ssg worked ok ...my rotor has rotated like in the common design but in the generator coil i made ,the current colected was very low .... around 10 ma ... the same coil has generated in clasical arangement , over 100 ma .... so is not very efficient as energy generation with the magnets on their side ..... by the way , i found the following informations on JLN website with some notes from Befini ..... http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/gfield.htm

[Dave Wing]

sinergicus, I am researching the generator function and the differences, one thing I can say is a generator can be made to perform switching without a transistor, the waveform is exactly like the transistor switched SSG wave form, it has a spike.

A magnet and an inductor can be made to switch, producing high voltage pulses, the arrangement fires just like a switching transistor.

Currently I am working on a generator with what is described above. Pulse motor and pulse generator that are two separate machines, back to the basics for proper R&D.

Dave Wing

[sinergicus]

By watching at the papers posted in the last few pages, regarding Ron Cole schematics,i see no difference between normal generators and his design... the same magnetic poles in front of few coils like in common systems .... so what I am missing here? What maiking his moto - generator so special in design and performance in comparison with ordinary systems?

[Dave Wing]

Some more information on self oscillation and who also did this work…









This is a link to the 1959 paper, shown below… https://journals.aps.org/pr/pdf/10.1103/PhysRev.115.485



Dave Wing