How to calculate/measure COP of Bedini SSG easily

[VortexTurtle]

yes it worked!!! thank you!!

[aln]

http://www.energyscienceforum.com/at...8&d=1358053442

here is one that should work, I used it. Aln

[VortexTurtle]

heh... well now I know exactly what to look for to change!!! haha

[VortexTurtle]

It's the link in the third post of this thread. The one 'Branch Gordon' posted. It's apparently an Excel calculator that you made to calculate the approx. COP of the SG. I tried changing the '37;' to the % symbol (percent symbol, in case it changes it again...) but nothing.

[John_Koorn]

Hey guys,

Which link are you referring to for the COP calculator spreadsheet? I haven't taken anything down, but I'll take a look at it.

John K.

[BobZilla]

Honestly I would just get normal magnets. It sounds like you have found multiple poles on those suckers and the monopole is just that, it means all north or all south but north is preferred. You may be able to use them but it won't be a monopole at that point.

*EDIT*
oops sorry, didn't realize Tom already answered. Yea I have used the home depot ones myself and they work great.

[Tom C]

get some rectangular ones. 3/8 by 7/8 by 1 7/8 you can get them at home depot or here:
http://teslagenx.com/parts/tx-c8.html?category=parts

most people order them when they are getting something else from us, but if you got most of the stuff just head over to home depot.


Tom C

[VortexTurtle]

sorry, I didn't mean to over-elaborate and make it sound like I had more than a simple question for you... what I would like to know is this: are the ring magnets off of speakers OK to use for a Bedini SG? will they cause me problems? Should I scrap the project and wait for solid magnets?

[BobZilla]

Again sorry but I don't think I can be of much help. I am very hands on with this stuff so if it is not a machine I am familiar with I cannot really say how it would function. Those are being used as generators right? You will spin the shaft from a Bedini wheel to make a generator? Are you rectifying the output or using raw AC? I just don't understand the system your shooting for. A simple test would be to spin that shaft at a given rate, maybe use an external motor or whatever and put a rectifier on the output going to a capacitor. See what you get out of it with one orientation of the coil and then try the other way to determine which is producing more for the same input.

Anyway like I said I don't really know what is supposed to happen here so I may just be blowing smoke. You should make a thread of your own and document your work. There are many people here who may be able to give you better advice if you catch their attention.

Oh what you said about visualizing things in your head and engineering them before ever building, your fortunate to have such a gift. Mr Tesla had it too.

[VortexTurtle]

Completely understandable. It's always best to keep it simple (keep it simple, stoopid! haha) to start with, and replicate original designs so you at least have a 'control' for further experimenting. That way you actually know if you've made something that works better than the original. Honestly, I don't think very many people are going to be able to exceed John's results, and those that do are going to be HIGHLY experienced, or someone that accidentally stumbles onto a design that harnesses something they have no understanding of - yet. I'm the type of person that understands that in order to accomplish anything at all, I have to fully learn and understand how individual components function, and how they function in circuits, plus I have to really learn and understand how magnetic fields work, how induction works, etc. I'm sure I'll never stop learning those things, because there will always be something more to it than what I know. The learning process is eternal. Fortunately, I'm the type that is ambidextrous, therefore I use both hemispheres of my brain, and can mentally visualize and process how things function (once I learn the functions, obviously...), and solve problems first in my head, then physically. It helps a great deal!!

I would greatly appreciate your input on this potential device, esp since these are the only magnets I have enough of, so here is a picture of what I've built so far. I'm most definitely going to keep to John's specs for the drive side of this system, and start with only one coil, exactly as the schematic has, before I attempt to add any generator coils on the same side (to throw back into the drive batt). I want to semi-replicate the Starship generator as built by HHOforVolts on the other end. I say semi since I won't be powering the rotation with the starships.

[BobZilla]

Ha yea those 3055's are tricky. Just can't resist when they are a third the price of a 21194, been down that road myself ;-)

They do work great for lower power systems so I'm not going to say they are junk, they just need to be used in the right situation.

Sorry I don't have advice about your setup with the magnets. I don't quite understand what your building but that's ok. You seem like you have a pretty good understanding and the right attitude to work it out. I am not saying don't tinker with things or don't build modified versions, that is all fine if the builder understands what he is trying to accomplish.

My message about sticking to the original is a message for all of these guys who have the silver platter syndrome. They think they can just build a monopole but substitute this for that and move that over to here, and think they know better about such and such, then they say aww hell this stuff doesn't work and I know because i tried it. Think of that episode of myth busters right.

Nothing wrong with experimenting beyond the basics as long as that person doesn't come crying when their **** doesn't work.

It's the same with anything a person will try, takes practice and study and those who put in little effort get little return. Many of them want it all handed to them on the silver platter but guess what, this ain't the place for that. It is a great place for like minded people to get together and share their experience however.

[VortexTurtle]

understandable, and thank you for the heads up. Just about all of my schematics come from the reputable sources who are involved in this forum and the energetic forum, for example, Lasersaber, ibpointless, dadhav, Minoly, cool joule, lidmotor, and also, most of all, John and Mr. Hupp themselves. Also, before I build any of them I try my best to figure out how they would work. I definitely learned the hard way that there are more people out there trying to steer you down the wrong path than there are people who actually are trying to help... I fried at least 13 2N3055's!!! Also, I am going to build the original SG bicycle wheel platform as soon as I get my hands on the magnets.... and I would like to build the one titled " Monopole Mechanical Oscillator Energizer" - once again I need more magnets, and a plastic 17 inch QUALITY wheel that can fit high quality, low friction bearings. I am going to attempt the Sequential Bipolar Switch system today on my rotor setup that I made out of stacked, glued CD's, a printer SS rod, the rubber rollers to mount the rod to the cd's ( I have it stuffed into the hole in the center of them and then jammed on the shaft.... uber tight fit....) and speaker magnets glued by the edges to the edge of the CD. I actually have that setup built quite nicely with another magnet disc on the opposing end for a generator setup. It's acting as a flywheel right now, and I want to make a starship generator on that end. However, I do have a question about the speaker magnets. Are they magnetized properly for this setup? Also, I noticed that when the coil is centered with the magnet, it acts as 2 separate magnets (ex, N N S S N N S S..... ) Should I position my coils so they are interacting with only the outer edge of the magnet? It seemed to run better that way when I had it hooked up to the simple SG circuit. Obviously it was extremely inefficient since the mags are oriented wrong for that circuit...

[BobZilla]

Yea the link is not working for me either. John K was the owner of the file, he may have taken it down. John recently said he was working on a new system for calculating COP but that was all he said. Perhaps he will put that out soon.

If it is just a matter of hosting the file somewhere I could put it on my public storage, with Johns permission of course.

Vortex I'm glad you are having some sucess but I just want to say that I was quite serious when I said to keep to the original design. It's obviously your experiment and you can do as you wish but I am just cautioning you that a lot of the modifications you find out there are meant to steer you down the WRONG path. Let me put it this way, anyone can build a battery charger, not everyone can build an energizer.

I mean no disrespect towards you and wish you success.

[VortexTurtle]

also, I have a question regarding that Excel COP calculator.... it says that it's no longer available.... does someone have a new link to it or can someone send it to me? thanks!

[VortexTurtle]

HAHAHA ohhhhh ohhhh wow Bung-ee..... It would seem that I'm much farther along in the learning process than you are and I've been going at this for half the time. As a matter of fact, I've been messing with small electronics now for about 6 weeks max. It sounds like you're one of those people that think you know everything about everything and you can never be wrong... the type of person that doesn't realize that there is always more to learn no matter how experienced you are or how many pages of an instructional you have read. Stop trying to ruin things for people that get easily discouraged and that take people literally even when they don't know what they're talking about. I guess you haven't fiddled around and noticed that if you put your generator wires on the same coil as at least one power wire, you can get in excess of 10X the 'juice' than you would if you had it standing alone.... It is definitely possible to get OU out of a Bedini SG!!!! There is a whole lot more info out there than you're going to find in the pages of the beginners and intermediate books from John.... as I gather, those are both more or less beginners' guides to understanding the workings of, and building of the SG. Take the time to surf youtube and all the forums to find various schematics, there are some very, very, very interesting ideas out there that other people have tried and succeeded with. If you keep saying that you'll never get OU out of your SG, you probably never will, since you won't let yourself learn how to. It's like being large and telling yourself you'll never lose weight, so you never do. Keep your negative discouraging talk to yourself!!! Thank you and have a wonderful day, and happy zap-zap juicing!!