Zero Force Motor Replication Project

[James McDonald]

Hi James,

I apologize if you already posted the circuit, but how were you taking the recovery from the coils in order to charge the cap(s)?

Hi Aaron --

I did not post a circuit but I did hook up the outside leads of the two coils to the AC input of the Full Wave Bridge on my Capacitor
Dump Board. The leads that were hooked up, if you were to measure from lead to lead you would get the full resistance of the two coils.

-- James

[Aaron Murakami]

Hi Chad --

I have hooked my Zero Force Motor up to a Capacitor Dump Circuit and the output spike from the Coils I measured was double the input voltage. At the time I did this experiment I was running my ZFM on one 12 volt battery and charging a second 12 volt battery through my capacitor dump circuit. The results were it was charging the battery but at the spike level it would take more then likely 2 weeks of running to charge a battery. You would be charging the run battery before the charge battery was even 10% charged. My Zero Force Motor board has timing LED's on it and when you spin the rotor and shaft with no battery hooked up the timing LED's do light up so long as the rotor is turning. My guess is at least 25 mili-amps is flowing through the un-powered ZFM board. As far as a BLOCH wall generator it would depend on how much current and voltage you are trying to generate. The LED's lighting up shows its generating voltage and current.

-- James

Hi James,

I apologize if you already posted the circuit, but how were you taking the recovery from the coils in order to charge the cap(s)?

[i_ron]

If your motor is a copy of tinman's motor then it is not a ZFM. I assume that you are using an air core within the coils. The present ZFM configuration uses a Bedini-Cole switch to change the coil polarity every time a magnet passes through the coil field - hard to see if your motor arrangement does this without understanding your language. From the motor arrangement in the video it appears that you are pulsing the coils every magnet spacing. The ZFM concept uses a balanced push/pull design.

There are many ways of configuring and designing a ZFM while holding to the basic design principles.


Yaro

Hi Yaro,

I wondered why Tinman's replication was not a ZFM. Can you explain why changing the polarity each time makes it a ZFM please?

Edit: got it, two magnets will be attracted in over the coils while two magnets will be repulsed away from the coils

Ron

[Yaro1776]

Hello people
I subscribed to this forum because the topic of Zero Force Motor is very well treated. I am cristian alba and I thank you for the good coming. Ok, I've spent a lot of time researching what the zero force motor is, but the reports are very punctual or with reference to something that was commented on at that moment.
OKAY. What I have understood is that this artifact is:
- strong torque motor (very high revolutions)
- that does not have bemf or is very small
- that consumption is not small (totdo otherwise)
- which is reversible
At the moment what I remembered now, however there are people who support the idea that can be self-running ....... how? with a high cosumo, although it does not have lenz.
Anyway, I have it replicated. I always replicated to understand things better.
By this same access in this forum to join me the colleagues who control the subject better. Thanks for the patience and my English language (fatal, forgive)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPZOEVa_joQ

Hello Cristian,

Welcome to the forum and the ZFM replication thread. Your basic written observations of the ZFM are essentially correct and the video of your motor presents your current understanding reasonably well. The language is a problem to a certain degree, in that you spend quite a bit of time explaining your machine, however the video does help.

If your motor is a copy of tinman's motor then it is not a ZFM. I assume that you are using an air core within the coils. The present ZFM configuration uses a Bedini-Cole switch to change the coil polarity every time a magnet passes through the coil field - hard to see if your motor arrangement does this without understanding your language. From the motor arrangement in the video it appears that you are pulsing the coils every magnet spacing. The ZFM concept uses a balanced push/pull design.

There are many ways of configuring and designing a ZFM while holding to the basic design principles.

Thank you for your video and continue your explorations within this thread. Language can be a daunting barrier. Good Luck.

Yaro

[i_ron]

Thanks for the update Yaro, I will be more patient.

1: able to accept or tolerate delays, problems, or suffering without becoming annoyed or anxious: LOL

Ron

[Yaro1776]

If you happen to find Yaro's new forum would you post a link here?

Thanks

Ron

Hey Ron and all,

Intention on my part was to give a heads up that my further posts on the ZFM will deal with advanced details and testing with a new thread on this forum and location so as to not clutter this ZFM replication thread. I believe that the existing thread should deal with startup information for replicating the original ZFM concept and other related issues.

Unfortunately I have been occupied with my outside business work and anticipate that I will launch the new thread on this forum later this week. Still waiting on the new rotors from the machine shop - all minor speed bumps.

Yaro

[i_ron]

If you happen to find Yaro's new forum would you post a link here?

Thanks

Ron

[Dave Wing]

RS, all,

How it works:

Convention has the flux lines flowing out of the North pole into the South pole.

For the magnet (with the right polarity) at "A", it will lock into the flux lines and travel the length of the coil

For the magnet at "B", (of the same polarity) it will 'see' the out flow and will be repulsed.

For the magnet at "C", (of the same polarity) it will see the inflow and be attracted back to the coil.

For the magnet at "D", it must be of the same polarity as "A" in order to travel in the same direction.



I have re-posted the JPG as my good friend Gyula has clarified it with polarities

Ron

Before you move have you considered... The mighty Halbach array? It seems to have many benefits for the zero force motor, especially with the way your coil is pictured in the quote above.

Here is what I am talking about... It seems to mesh perfectly with your coil... So many good things to try so little time!

Dave Wing

[i_ron]

"my new postings will be on a new thread"

Link?

Thanks

Ron

[i_ron]

RS, all,

How it works:

Convention has the flux lines flowing out of the North pole into the South pole.

For the magnet (with the right polarity) at "A", it will lock into the flux lines and travel the length of the coil

For the magnet at "B", (of the same polarity) it will 'see' the out flow and will be repulsed.

For the magnet at "C", (of the same polarity) it will see the inflow and be attracted back to the coil.

For the magnet at "D", it must be of the same polarity as "A" in order to travel in the same direction.



I have re-posted the JPG as my good friend Gyula has clarified it with polarities

Ron

[RS_]

Ron,

I had not thought about opposing magnets in this configuration, I had only thought, that if a N on the inside rotor, and a S on the outside rotor, so that the magnet field flowed through the coil, strengthening the field between the magnets..... opposing magnets would be interesting to test....

Yaro,

JB did comment, He found the design interesting, but because we had a wrong understanding of the rotor magnets at that point in time(all N out), what little he said is not relevant....

I've been wanting to 3D print a small version of this to test, but I have been too busy with the 6 coil and stuff to have the time for this project...

This model was designed in FreeCad, and if someone wants to play with it / resize it / 3Dprint it, let me know and I will email the files to you.

[Yaro1776]

Greetings Ron and RS, also to all the lurkers out there who are gaining an appreciation for the ZFM,

Ron your experiments with the dual magnet arrangement have been very interesting along with your video. My bad for not acknowledging that sooner. RS you have put together an interesting concept for the ZFM with the dual magnet arrangement - unfortunate that JB did not comment on it. However, he has noted in the past that the magnetic fields induced within the ZFM were very contained internally. Both of you appear to be on a similar track for amplifying the torque of this machine. Go for it and make it real!

The ZFM is a pull/push motor! The starting point for this motor is normally a combination of repulsion and attraction. With the YZFM Neo's at the neutral coil position, one can rotate the shaft with/against the normal rotation as a function of the timing arrangement. You will always feel the repulsive kick and the attractive force combo. Interestingly, both work in opposing directions, thereby negating the usual reactive forces. I should make a video of this, but it will be complex due to the ZFM design and visibility of the internal rotor - see what happens as time and video editing skills permit, but don't hold your breath.

I do believe that this current thread does provide a wealth of constructive information in combination with the 2017 Conference Video and attachments, so anyone can build this motor if they have the initiative. In that regard my new postings will be on a new thread dedicated to the fine tuning, with advanced design and development of the ZFM as per the P. Lindemann config - name of thread? It will be obvious. Comments as to this direction?

In closing, JB believed that the ZFM had many interesting potentials - time to explore why!

Yaro

[i_ron]

That's good RS, as I think two magnets in repulsion is the answer



The black square is the coil and see how the field fills in the two open sides?
30g for a single magnet 111g for two shows this to be true.

Actually when I put the u bracket with the two magnets in place I had made the right hand arm longer. This eventually caused me to re-run the experiment with the left arm lengthened --- imagine my surprise to get a reading of 127 grams!!!

Ron

[RS_]

another transparent view

[RS_]

Here is a Zero Force Design that I showed JB the last time I saw him...