Zero Force Motor Replication Project

[Yaro1776]

The Zero Force Motor Attachment was added to Thingiverse: http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2149756 This part should replace the window motor parts in the middle of :http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2149044 The rotor is 2.5". It is made for 3/4" X 1/4" disc magnets.


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Enjoy
DMann

DMann - good looking design that should work well. What are you recommending for retaining the Neo's in position in the rotor?

Thanks to you for the 3D effort,
Yaro

[DMANN]

The Zero Force Motor Attachment was added to Thingiverse: http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2149756 This part should replace the window motor parts in the middle of :http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2149044 The rotor is 2.5". It is made for 3/4" X 1/4" disc magnets.



Enjoy
DMann

[DMANN]

I can do a ZFM attachment for the middle of this if anyone is interested. Just give me some idea or dimensions you would like to see for the coil holders and rotor/mags.

DMann

[Aaron Murakami]

This is relevant to the ZFM: http://www.energyscienceforum.com/sh...ll=1#post26229 - please read the post.

[ZPDM]

Those are good questions and I don't personally have the answer but I'd encourage everyone to draw out the "superpole" configurations where like fields repel and the magnetic paths that are in attraction - along the lines of how John showed it for the SG and you might be surprised.

Lenz is definitely happening somewhere in the machine. Lines of force interaction isn't the only interaction in the machine. When you say lines of force, are you talking about electric lines of force how John described it as being distinctly different from the magnetic flux lines?

Yaro's machine is like the one that Peter built - John only provided the plans. John's original ZFMs were all 2 poles, N and S on the rotor - either single fields facing out or superpole configurations to have super N and S on opposite sides.

Hey Aaron,

I am basically just thinking of lines of force not being contained but flying off into space (like you see in a picture of a bar magnet) as important to Lenz, I got no real idea. What's worse is I have no clear imagine of how two magnetic fields are interacting (let alone super poles). By this I mean I have seen with my machines narrow coils with fewer winds that are more efficient than larger coils with much greater inductance. How do the gears fit together, real mind bender with something like the presentation ZFM. I need to focus primarily on other things than experimenting now but the two experiments on the back burners are 1) returning to the ZFM to see how to arrange coils (and bifilar coils) 2) discharging a cap into a coil and measuring radiant. I looked again at my spreadsheet and am not sure that improvements in efficiency slow as voltage increases. They may drop off up to about 60-80 volts then hold steady to 240 volts. Need to throw together a joule thief or other transformer and run up to 720V or whatever the cap can handle. Should give me my answer. Tesla wasn't opposed to either high voltage or large coils, might not be the worst direction to move in even if my theory is lacking. As an aside, how could an EMP from hundreds of miles away be expected to do so much damage if the effects weren't OU. Now someone just tell me why they keep blotting out the sun every other day with garbage from planes, again no idea but it seems it has to be some sort of arms race thing likely related to electromagnetic over the horizon effects. Equally likely a low level government regulator decided flouride in jet fuel would prevent cavities in trees and it was adopted world wide without further discussion.

[Aaron Murakami]

I've seen that as well. I would say the average ZFM set-up is Lenz resistant. One question I have is does Lenz occur if one is only running on the lines of force? With a ZFM set-up with out facing magnets and sideways coils there is some geometric overlap where you are hitting the unbound magnetic flux lines. When John put in an iron block he gave a low reluctance flux path for the magnetism. I.e. there are "no" flux lines flying off into space. My guess is the textbooks would say the thing shouldn't run at all. But all the magnetism is contained. You could "maybe" do the same if you placed magnets tangentially and actually completed the circuit to a whole circle. So I would just say it is not certain what we are doing is identical with the machine Peter and John built.

I've got good experience now on how some of my machines run, I need to take twenty minutes and wind a bifilar, what Dave Wing is saying/passing on is goofy.

Those are good questions and I don't personally have the answer but I'd encourage everyone to draw out the "superpole" configurations where like fields repel and the magnetic paths that are in attraction - along the lines of how John showed it for the SG and you might be surprised.

Lenz is definitely happening somewhere in the machine. Lines of force interaction isn't the only interaction in the machine. When you say lines of force, are you talking about electric lines of force how John described it as being distinctly different from the magnetic flux lines?

Yaro's machine is like the one that Peter built - John only provided the plans. John's original ZFMs were all 2 poles, N and S on the rotor - either single fields facing out or superpole configurations to have super N and S on opposite sides.

[ZPDM]

This relates to the ZFM and its operation - and is relevant to Bedini's magnetic modeling and how his machines work.

I've stated that the Lenz's Law does apply to the ZFM - even if not 100% of the time, at least part of the time. Last night, I received a call from an associate who will remain anonymous - a credible one.

I have my own analysis of the ZFM that tells me there is Back EMF, Yaro's demonstration actually reveals this in the videos but not sure if anyone notices or recognizes it, and then last night someone who has a working ZFM gave me the 3rd verification that Lenz's Law absolutely applies to the ZFM.

The evidence is simple - if the ZFM speeds up to any speed and the current stays the same, then it is Lenzless - this is the original belief on the motor. But if it speeds up and the current decreases, then that tells you Lenz's Law is in play.

Yaro's videos have shown this so it's been right there in front of everyone. It has Back EMF and is not a Lenzless machine at all. It doesn't mean there is Back EMF throughout the entire power stroke, maybe 50/50 - remains to be known, but just wanted to pass that on because it is important to know what the machine is and isn't.

I've seen that as well. I would say the average ZFM set-up is Lenz resistant. One question I have is does Lenz occur if one is only running on the lines of force? With a ZFM set-up with out facing magnets and sideways coils there is some geometric overlap where you are hitting the unbound magnetic flux lines. When John put in an iron block he gave a low reluctance flux path for the magnetism. I.e. there are "no" flux lines flying off into space. My guess is the textbooks would say the thing shouldn't run at all. But all the magnetism is contained. You could "maybe" do the same if you placed magnets tangentially and actually completed the circuit to a whole circle. So I would just say it is not certain what we are doing is identical with the machine Peter and John built.

I've got good experience now on how some of my machines run, I need to take twenty minutes and wind a bifilar, what Dave Wing is saying/passing on is goofy.

[Yaro1776]

The evidence is simple - if the ZFM speeds up to any speed and the current stays the same, then it is Lenzless - this is the original belief on the motor. But if it speeds up and the current decreases, then that tells you Lenz's Law is in play.

In essence, I agree with Aaron's explanation for most circumstances. The ZFM, for want of a better description, has a bipolar (pun intended) personality and, depending on the configuration, will show differing guises - so at times it operates in a very gray area.. Personally, I feel like a ZFM point man here without other experimenters chiming in, but that is fine with me - the trite expression is "it is what it is".

It would be good to have more participants providing more observed and documented data, but I still have a bit more time to devote to this project before maple sugaring season and wood cutting comes into play. Next is the Iron rotor config to play with and I hope that the ZFM amperage draw does not start to impinge on the low limits of the current instrumentation - that would be a royal pain in the left nostril.

Yaro

[Aaron Murakami]

This relates to the ZFM and its operation - and is relevant to Bedini's magnetic modeling and how his machines work.

I've stated that the Lenz's Law does apply to the ZFM - even if not 100% of the time, at least part of the time. Last night, I received a call from an associate who will remain anonymous - a credible one.

I have my own analysis of the ZFM that tells me there is Back EMF, Yaro's demonstration actually reveals this in the videos but not sure if anyone notices or recognizes it, and then last night someone who has a working ZFM gave me the 3rd verification that Lenz's Law absolutely applies to the ZFM.

The evidence is simple - if the ZFM speeds up to any speed and the current stays the same, then it is Lenzless - this is the original belief on the motor. But if it speeds up and the current decreases, then that tells you Lenz's Law is in play.

Yaro's videos have shown this so it's been right there in front of everyone. It has Back EMF and is not a Lenzless machine at all. It doesn't mean there is Back EMF throughout the entire power stroke, maybe 50/50 - remains to be known, but just wanted to pass that on because it is important to know what the machine is and isn't.

[Michael Luton]

Thanks. That was how I saw it, but wanted it verified.

[Yaro1776]

What would you say was the most important adjustment to obtain such impressive speeds?

There is no true simple answer, however understanding the interrelationship between firing arc duration and firing point position will lead one in the right direction.

Yaro

[Michael Luton]

What would you say was the most important adjustment to obtain such impressive speeds?

[Yaro1776]

ZFM Proto - Max Speed w/ Video 7B

Hello to all,

After the last post and video I was sucked in and could not leave well enough alone - the machine begged to sprint. So, after a number of tweaks and adjustments with a number of other relevant tests performed and the following depict the most recent results from 2/11/17:

12v 3450 RPM 0.74A
24v 6912 RPM 0.88A
36v 9750 RPM 1.10A

Could not stop there and further tweaked the advance and let it run....
Fasten the seat belt and don the safety glasses:

https://youtu.be/HW5FmTx61Sc

For the interested experimenter the amperage in the above test was 0.92 Amps at 36 volts nominal.

Done with this speed madness and onward to the Iron rotor and whatever,
Yaro

[Aaron Murakami]

I moved some posts about some of John's magnetic model and related stuff here: http://www.energyscienceforum.com/showthread.php?t=3779

That way we can keep this thread focused on ZFM replication without distraction.

[Tom C]

I have more to share but will wait for the new thread, as Arron has rightly said , its a Bloch wall motor, that's why its lenzless, why it will make a great turbine.

Tom C