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  • Jolias
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    In the human body medically observe that one thing the ions are basically atomic particles carrying charge, either positive or negative.without such ions body not enable to work by free hand and all the metabolism system depends upon the ions of the body.

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  • PamelaSambora
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    The scientific concept at work here is that a appropriate stability of negative ions combine with the positive ions, developing complete elements which have a heavier weight mass & a balanced charge.

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  • Sled Dog
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    Some mention of ozone in earlier posts, my experience with.. Have done many hours of research, lead me to this product, because of price. Ozone Generator by MaxBlaster USA Own one, and yes ozone in that quantity will do some powerful things. It is used by hotels, car rental, home rental, biohazzard cleanup (someone died in a dwelling and was there for awhile.. ) eg. a friend of mine was renting a house, the people were heavy smokers, and within a year the walls that had new paint when they moved in were brown. Twenty hours of ozone and my friend noticed easily that the walls were not near a brown, and of course the smell of smoke and the other nasty smells they left behind were gone. I have also used on vehicles, tunes up a musty or smoky vehicle in a few hours. One caveat, must be used in 50% or less humidity. Kills mold, and most anything else organic, and can mess up true rubber, organic as well I guess. One rule when running the blaster, called the 3p rule. People, Plants, Pets, all out of the area. I also have an ozone generator by heavenfresh, I see they no longer make, but it put out a small enuff ammout to be safe in any room, and it does make a difference. Was rather expensive to, would build or by a module and make my own pin farm to make another, or use a circuit to drive perhaps an ignition coil, since ac is all that is required for ozone gen unless looking of neg ions at same time, which is all good, which then flyback with dc out is great. The maxblast has honkin high voltage trans in it, using stainless woven strips insulated with mica. When running look in the end and it is filled with blue with arc. Any arc creates ozone, including welding, lightning.. Ozone is perfect to purify water, ozonated water is said to in time "remove" scars you may have. Drinking it is a great way to get some oxygen into your system. Wash your clothe with ozonated water, and your dishes, no need for soap anymore. Large institution.. hotels.. prisons.. massive restaurants and others use this now, and save a $hitload, because ozone works best in cold enviro, no more need to heat thousands gallons of water to acheive same result. Ozonate oil, apply to skin, some have had topical conditions dissapear after. Here I have to treat our village water supply with hypochlorite, (chlorine esentially) it is the law. Ozone will do the same thing, without causing colon cancer and other long term neat stuff. Best stop ranting now, best of luck with whatever you use!!

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  • Sled Dog
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    Something else to try, ready built and fairly cheap. I have about 6 of the about the house, using various pin emitters. Have got these as low as $4 when they have a sale. Uses one of these to drive my own pin farm, using many strands of I think .001" stainless, big roll from ebay fairly cheap. Sharper pins, more neg ions, dull pins more ozone. Do not place next to static sensitive equipment, needless to say, my external hdd will reset if within a few feet in high static conditions.. 120VAC (7.5kV Output) Negative Ion Generator-The Electronic Goldmine Carbon fibers can also be used for emitter. More fun, use a rotating emitter, these work nice and can spin fairly fast. Made one using the stainless wire, nice breeze. Higher power modules potted available here.. Negative Ion Air Purification Systems they also have ozone modules.. Ozone Systems. My first ion units were a IG-133A Negative Ionizer and the IG-133DG from Negative ions products and negative ion generators for air purification and more. Had these about five minutes to find they have the same $10 module as above, and a CW diode thing going on to charge the dust grabber plates. They do work and require cleaning, but are rather expensive considering the main component is 10$. Had these for five years still going so reliable. Air is fresher plants and pets are happy. Even put one in my fridge, why not?

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  • blackchisel97
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    Just an update. I keep running both versions of Ion Generator and the one with voltage multiplier works very well, despite having just one needle and less than 5kV. Wind blows candle flame from about 10 inches. My wife really enjoys cleaner air and confirmed that breathing is easier near the device. It seems to clean the airways. I'll try to come up with off the shelf transformer so it would be easy to replicate without making or re winding one.

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    Vtech

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  • blackchisel97
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    " BEES supplies our body with negative ions, together with electromagnetic fields of sufficient magnitude and direction.."
    Very interesting. Thanks for sharing totoalas.

    Vtech

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  • totoalas
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    Carmenbees Synchrotheraphy
    this instrument had been used by a relative of mine who is a diabetic and a great improvement took place ..... the inventor used to work with the US Navy..... please take a look and see if you can incroporate this with your tech

    totoalas

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  • blackchisel97
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    Hello guys.
    I've been working today on Negative Ion Generator variation - using Cockroft-Walton multiplier, instead of flyback transformer.
    There are circuits and patents available but most of them are feeding multiplier from mains, either directly - via resistor or using isolating transformer. I'm not a big enthusiast of such and got an idea of making simple inverter instead but then I started to think;
    what if I increase feeding frequency? Even if my wave is not sine it should still work. I did remember simple oscillator which guys from Energetic Forum were working on. The idea was to power 6 or 9W 110V Cree LED light from low DC source. I did some experiments with this circuit using large ferrite toroid and different transformers. It worked quite well.
    I decided to try it with voltage multiplier and it works just fine. I tested few different transformers and got variety of results, from 3,000V to 12,000V @ 100mA to 300mA. I'm feeding circuit from 12VDC wall adapter. Heatsink was necessary for certain transformers only. This one runs cold at approx. 100mA. On the left you can see two 5MOhm resistors in series and the last one serves as a needle. Copper loop works as other electrode. There is nice breeze coming from it and ozone smell is almost undetectable despite hissing sound. I'll let it run and will post details later.

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    Vtech
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  • blackchisel97
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    Good to read you Paul. Yes, I'm cautious about the ozone as well. However, it is my understanding that while inhaling ozone in higher concentrations poses significant risk to the lung tissue there are other possible applications which may be beneficial. I stay open minded and I'll keep searching for more data. This is a very potent compound and I have reasons to believe that its use has been limited to certain degree, not necessary out of concern about our well being. This is just my sole opinion.
    Meanwhile, after doing more study about ionic effect I came to the conclusion that keeping potential between electrodes in low range - 3.5 to 5kV will limit ozone and nitrous compounds output down to negligible levels. This is regarding to negative ionization. Also, quality of materials used should not be compromised. Stainless steel, borosilicate glass (pyrex) are the way to do it. Plastics, rubber insulation will degrade in time causing shorts and possibly, release unwanted compounds into the output air stream. This is very important in ozone experiments. I believe that poor choice of materials maybe the cause of malfunctioning and short life span of cheap ozonizers available on the market. Using them for disinfecting in unoccupied spaces is one thing but to diffuse in water or oils for therapeutic use is another. Again, this is just my opinion.

    Paul, I sent you PM. I did experiment with ZVS applications including induction heater and it works quite well. There is no problem reaching currie point in small steel objects utilizing relatively small amount of power. I was hoping to get short YT

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    Vtech

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  • ZPDM
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    Vtech,

    First off this is great! Secondly, Hhrrmph, I thought I might have heard about some such! From my background I have always viewed ozone as a toxic pollutant. I have never heard of ozone's possible health giving effects. Just to be pendantic for a moment, in medicine we evaluate things through test tube studies, animal studies and human studies. The various human studies being most powerful when they are double blinded and randomized. To be cynical, sometimes, when test tube animal or other studies show great efficacy in an indication that is very lucrative there is, oddly enough, no further pursuit, investigation or publication in such an indication. I say this not to dampen enthusiasm about ozone but to note like many other treatments where there is positive evidence, we don't have the studies where a decent number of people were given it for some disease/indication and we likely won't from any conventional source, especially if the treatment is useful in diseases which threaten established revenue streams. So if we don't know a biological mechanism for why ozone might be useful and we don't have sufficient clincal data there is always the first do no harm caution mentality. Then again I'm probably just embarrassed to learn that ozone has medicinal applications.

    I look forward to looking into the medical literature on this and posting back after I have fully read your links and seen what is in the peer reviewed literature. BTW I am sending you a PM message after this related to seeing if you can help me with a ZVS circuit.

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  • blackchisel97
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    Some reading about the Ozone -

    http://www.sachben.com/webplus/viewe...p?aid=113&l=EN

    Lateral Science: Martinus Van Marum (1750-1837) "discovers" a light blue gas, with the help of Mr. Cuthbertson

    Ozone Therapy: The Science Behind the Scandal

    Ozone in Medicine: Overview and Future Directions

    Ozone in Clinical Care, Chapter 1

    Almost forgot, the most important one - http://www.ozonetherapy.co.uk/articl...references.htm


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  • blackchisel97
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    Hello. I've been testing my ZVS based NIG for the past few days. It produces only gentle breeze but it seems to refresh the air quite a bit. My wife also confirmed that it is easier to breathe around the device. She had some respiratory problems and cough - possibly related to allergic reaction since last June. It looks like she is improving since I got this running. We're heating with air forced wood and there is more dust settling around but I've rather dust off more often than let my lungs filter those airborne particles. I'll get the other version done - based on voltage multiplier later. Been busy putting LED pulser on pcb (works fine) and collecting parts for the device to make ionized and ozonated water. Will update when done.

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    V
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  • vrvs
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    Indoor air quality

    Originally posted by blackchisel97 View Post
    I would like to start this thread to share some of my findings and hope to inspire others to experiment. There is a vast amount of info in our great free library - internet therefore I'll keep the intro to the minimum and let you do more research into that matter.
    The ions are basically atomic particles carrying charge, either positive or negative. This applies to the air surrounding us and while being most vital element ( we cannot survive without beyond a few minutes) it is also one of the most polluted one. Clean air (78% Nitrogen, 21% Oxygen plus trace amount of noble gasses) consists positive and negative ions in about 5:4 ratio. It has been found that any change in that ratio will affect all forms of biological systems - including humans, of course.
    There is am excellent book written in '70 by Fred Soyka - The Ion Effect. I look at eBay last night and found couple copies reasonably priced.
    If you research this topic you'll find that over 85%-90% of scientific reports state benefits of negative ions, remaining 14% - 9% reports claim no effect and less than 1% detail some detrimental effects. For me it was convincing enough to search for more information.
    Despite overwhelming reports supporting negatively charged air and ozonated water benefits to our health, most manufacturers of such devices refrain from making such bold claims. Wonder why
    Target of my project is to make replicable device capable of cleaning air by using negative ions and small amounts of ozone. Also, capable of making ozonated water, oil etc.
    There is always more than one way to skin the cat and this case is no different. What we need is a source of reliable and tunable high voltage supply, launcher - in the form of electrodes or arrays and for second part - ozonated water we'll need a source of compressed air, such as fish tank pump and maybe even stone diffuser.
    One way of generating HV would be by the use of voltage multiplier, such as - [ATTACH=CONFIG]1172[/ATTACH]
    Second, which I decide to do is based on flyback TV transformer. They usually resonate in 20kHz range. Mine does at 28kHz and pulls 0.36A from 12V DC source. I'm not looking for spectacular purple discharge but just glowing tips of the electrodes for the creation of ionic wind rather than massive amounts of ozone.
    Right now I've been running my driver circuit for the past few hours and it runs cool without heatsink on FET's. However, it is possible to run with more power and produce 2+ inch purple arc but this will cost about 4A and require transistors to be mounted on heatsink. I'm using small pancake coil connected to the scope probe to "sniff" the sine wave from a distance.
    This is the circuit of flyback driver designed by Vladimiro Mazzilli-
    [ATTACH=CONFIG]1173[/ATTACH]
    and patent of Nikola Tesla - [ATTACH=CONFIG]1174[/ATTACH]

    I'll provide more info and technical detail as I progress and of course if there is an interest in this subject.

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    Vtech
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  • blackchisel97
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    Thank you Thebanano, I'll check this out.

    Vtech

    I couldn't locate his particular video about ion generator but Breton patent is very interesting. Thank you for link.
    Last edited by blackchisel97; 12-27-2012, 07:28 PM.

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  • thebanano
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    blackchisel97, here is an interesting patent about negative ion generator and a link of a you tube video that someone who had experience making an ion genarator from capacitor and diode, there is interesting quote from him about capacitor size and the effect if we use bigger capacitance of capacitor.
    High-powered negative ion generator in a gaseous medium with a high-strength electric field configuration - Breton, Jacques L. G.

    prototype9000 - YouTube

    kind regards

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