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  • #46

    the several statements made by Nathren and Nathren's son Nathren, is that all earlier CONVERTED car engines were readjusted for timing to A T D C to about negative 34 degrees , as that approximate point allowed the engines to run smoother and provided water vapor pressure as a secondary force on piston, as generated at the lower end of piston travel. On the 18HP mower engine , the 13 turns wire over steel core section WITH the cable, as electromagnet provided magnetic field on the high volts cable and caused the spark time to be extended in milliseconds. He said to add more or less turns , so as to get the best setting for running engine. My own improvement design over his S1R9A9M9 coils assembly was to make the adjustment variable by varying amount of core under #14 wire + cable, as a pull handle. (Like turning loosened distributor on car engine) Hydrogen gas used in standard engine requires way late timing . I also increased the number of turns as per ratio change required, when changing from original 10 A current to 6 A current, to maintain the same magnetic field level. . Car engines are 4 cycle as well as the Briggs engine, but it has waste spark cycle that does no harm to a running engine.
    Each engine will run slightly different and a blanket statement cannot be made, as they all will require adjustment in different timing points. Nathren had made statement as to the available special degrees flywheel keys as used for different timing on Briggs engines. They all , however, are only for the small Briggs animal racing engine flywheels. I don't think he knew that. The Georgia technicians did not modify Briggs factory timing, other than adding magnetic field. I just assumed they were too lazy to machine a curved aluminum , slotted, mounting plate for Magnetron, as for being adjustable timing thereafter with screws and nuts repositioning.
    I am presently testing my latest S1R coils as 10kv cable included, rather than bare wire or insulated hook up wire, or 30Kv cable, so as for getting a constant recurring 100v leakage transfer without shorting. The wooden flywheel arrangement with Briggs ignition works well with series inductor coil and diodes. Later, I will blend in DC current to spark plug with water solution and protective diodes section. The water solution presents ohms resistance and would raise up the input voltage required, as also tiny electrodes.


    One of the original web forum paragraphs by Nathren , said in broken words, that there were other parts than the S1R coils in the plastic tub on side of mower engine!!!!!!! This was when he and son stopped saying anything more their set up as too much attention was received, and non-knowledgeable people had gotten hurt trying to duplicate his engine set up.

    When the man, "Smack ", showed up, at his property after 1000 miles driving, the episode was on video tape and we could see what was going on. The wiring on failed running 18HP was not done the same as during the 2 successful You tube videos of 2008.


    The Nathren back porch engine test was wrong also, as he was attempting to run engine with S1R coil as in induction type mode,- not with current output going direct to spark plug as needed. In one of the published answers to people's questions, way back in time, he said the output 12v current wire WAS CONNECTED to spark plug . (not repeated again)





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    • #47

      2008 S1R9A9M9 Georgia Water Engine



      I have some more tech data for you to consume. See also sheet Inverter output described by A I.

      I finally figured out why the green 400watt Inverter was not used. It was used OK on all previous car engines. Statement said it bogged down and quit as the attempt on operating Briggs 18HP. The You tube videos showed unit in background only, unconnected with clips on ground. It was placed there to mislead public. The engine started and ran in both videos. Previous MULTI CYLINDERS engines had used majority of wattage from 400W Inverter. The one cylinder mower engine required less watts power. The tech people used the brand power on board for 750W and 400W inverters. A MUCH SMALLER SIZE INVERTER FOR 110V AC WAS PURCHASED JUST FOR THE VIDEOS. The way "small" box fits in rear hole of cement block during the demonstrations. The 400W box does not!! The engine vertical shaft is in same hole rotating with great clearance from box. (box 3.3" X 3.3"300Watts) (They could of put the larger Inverter box in depression at ground level with cement block on top.) The demonstrations were keeping people from knowing all. Parts were not exposed. Parts were purposely kept in sealed plastic tub and also spray painted to keep eyes out. The Inverter pre made, allows the required 100 volts , due to the tiny electrodes of spark plug. The 10 amps initially came from car battery, then once engine running idle, battery removed, then the double alternators took over to run the conversion circuit.

      Dual alternators with just full wave rectification , without voltage regulator, provides higher volts and about 14.5 amps output capability.

      Here goes-- The positive battery cable clip touches starter terminal to run starter motor. Separate wire is also there going behind engine through diode. The input to inverter in cement hole, attaches to cathode side of diode. The diode prevents alternator from running starter. The alternator DC runs Inverter also, when battery removed.

      The S1R9A9M9 electromagnet provided magnetic field over ignition cable ( bare copper section) to form late timing from zero to about minus 34 degrees. The amps came from battery, then alternator DC at idle speed. Resistor in tub to limit current for S1R coils. The plastic tub connections needed for ground came from the exterior extension cord that was modified for extra long single wire to ground , and jumping the male end plug.

      The S1R coils is 100% on all the time to keep magnetic field at spark plug in-between firings. The power pulses to spark plug is on + off about 34% for ON duty cycle. (Flywheel going around 360 degrees)

      Plastic covered tub on side of Briggs engine contains S1r coils electromagnet, resistor, bridge rectifier for dual alternators, bridge rectifier for Inverter output, wire connectors, accessory spark gap, and wire joint putting output amps together with high volts going to modified zero ohms Champion spark plug.

      All previous car engines had 2 spark gaps in main circuit. The distributor rotor firing gap and spark plug gap. It helps to insure the plug fires rather than misfire.

      Mineral water was used for running mower engine with salt added that came from creek on the Georgia property.

      The dangerous ignition high voltage was on car battery only during the starting mode. (No series diodes protection bank)

      I was stalled, hung up , for long time on the 100volts source, power current means, difference between peak and average current, and higher high ignition volts.

      I found it greatly interesting to use the old style large clip clip board with mechanical pencil/eraser, printer blank paper, to form diagrams and notes over long period of time . I have many titled folders on different subjects related to the S1r project. (half cup of coffee helps)

      I will later be working on separate circuit to remove the waste spark cycle of Briggs engine. one and zero up counter IC and reset using Hall Effect sensor.

      Your comments will be appreciated.



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      • #48
        It's my current assumption that the conversion circuit of S1R9A9M9 2008 lawn mower water engine 18HP on You tube videos, had used a hidden "small dimension size" Inverter box, about 300-500watts , that was INSIDE the rear hole of cement block with engine on top . Plenty of clearance also for the vertical rotating crankshaft. The other parts were hidden in sealed, painted plastic tub , hanging on side of engine. we could see. Therefore, the Inverter power source was hidden also, so as after the battery was completely disconnected, the engine conversion circuit ran off of the alternator installed under the flywheel. The Briggs stator of yellow+ yellow wires is capable of 20amps dc current. The ignition only operates during about 34% of flywheel turning, so as the wattage from Inverter box is reduced by 34% also. So as current delivered in DC pulses was 6-7-10 amps DC., The hidden Inverter box was being operated in the upper region called "SURGE current" which these boxes are capable of. The pure sine wave type output boxes give much higher surge currents, than the modified sine wave type which is square wave pulses waveform on an oscilloscope. Remember the significance of the very low duty cycle. So now you know. The 400watt green Inverter shown in videos,was not used-, not hooked up, not because it couldn't run the engine, but because it was too big to hide in cement block. The conversion circuit required about 100 volts and current same time. The other S1R9A9M9 electromagnet provided the magnetic field to change the timing to extend to negative late timing, and also provide required field for the tips of spark plug. The high voltage cable hooked to the heavy current same time as going to the zero ohms spark plug. Hydrogen gas evolved and fired along with generation of water vapor pressure.
        7amps X 110v = 770watts times .34 duty cycle flywheel usage, = 260 watts or less drawn power , plus the electromagnet current . Both draws are capable of the on board changed alternator. The black+ black wires Briggs alternator is the exact same low ohms as the yellow yellow. Just get the cheapest one. The 500W pure sine wave Inverter is about $40 called LVYUAN painted blue color. from US EBay shipping. Outer size 3.75" wide by 7.8" depth - IT FITS very loose in cement block, or 300W red LVYUAN 3 1/4" by 3 1/4" size.

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        • #49

          There are options when selecting a replacement ignition coil (Magnetron) for the mower engine. I was interested in changing over to positive high voltage rather than normal negative high voltage. There are a couple reasons. When tinkering with small engine for alternate uses/ fuels, There are high voltage shocks received when connecting parts such as resistor, capacitor, L coil, to engine ground. The spark plug refuses to fire, and bypasses to go up another line such as parts. During that time we get shocks from the engine. Also, when using the original old style Magneto as just a plain transformer before 1982, you can put it upside down on engine bracket and get positive high volts, but at away reduced level. You don't get up to 15kv anymore. The Autotransformers normally have the primary coil hooked directly with secondary side. The full secondary is normally primary + secondary in a negative "mode" Less wire is used in the positive mode.
          Now then, there actually is a better way to get positive type high voltage at FULL VALUE VOLTS! If your Briggs engine is a one cylinder type, you can purchase a modern replacement Magnetron with DOUBLE CABLES. The secondary side is not connected with primary. When used on the twin cylinder engines, each spark plug gets different type power. Negative on one side and positive on other cylinder. Also, if you get the most modern type dual cables Magnetron, it will have the better type built in UNIVERSAL type trigger , rather than the Briggs brand trigger. Engine will fire at a lower RPM of flywheel , just like in the "olden days". Just hook the negative cable to ground and the positive cable to spark plug. Compare the photos of armature Magnetrons on Ebay to see the difference.


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          • #50

            2008 Mower engine ran on salt water.


            Closing in on the final conversion electrical circuit as used during the successful demonstrations 18HP Briggs on YouTube. The hand wired S1R9A9M9 electromagnet on 10amps provided magnetic field to spark plug gap and OVER the plug wire to readjust the engine timing to late timing ATDC. The duty cycle of on time was for the current pulse through spark plug of needed 7amps PEAK.

            There was a separate Inverter box of about 300watts that provided the current at 110v DC to fire plug. Use was about only 150 watts, due to the low duty cycle. Average value of current on hand meter would be about 2 amps, for the 10amps peak. The box was hidden in rear hole of cement block with engine shaft. (plenty of clearance.) Other parts hidden in sealed plastic tub on side of engine.

            The car battery operated starter motor and also the electrical conversion circuit. Battery removed. The modified Briggs alternator with flywheel with the larger type magnets would provide max 20amps as divided between the electromagnet and inverter box primary side. Engine then ran fully on alternator permanent magnets at idle RPM . Can use black + black wires stator or yellow + yellow stator as are both Exact same construction. Hydrogen gas evolved and fired with also water vapor pressure that runs the piston. See S1R9A9M9 videos 1 + 2. Questions?

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            • #51
              I'm changing my methodology of hook up to my 12HP mower engine. Instead of designing for full 20A alternator output to run the conversion circuit, I am changing over to bench "power source"

              to run main circuit with the under the wooded bench engine vertical shaft for car 52A alternator , belts and pulley, to recharge 12v mower battery. This method fully allows no shorting-

              electrical problem of Inverter box ground and battery ground. This is what hindered many people before, and I want a better chance of instant running of water engine when 1st started.

              Project has taken too long.

              Return line to Inverter hooks to wire and spring steel retainer clip on bottom of spark plug , just like from Georgia engines converted. One ohm power resistor in line for use with

              oscilloscope to monitor and adjust current flow.The way to do this is with smaller Briggs engine that has flywheel with ALUMINUM ring gear. The matching starter motor will have PLASTIC

              16tooth small gear. Starter is mounted with 2 black nylon plastic 8MM bolts 12mmm long with 2 plastic nylon washers. This insulates starter from engine block fully, when Inverter is

              activated. Slight distance change inbetween the 2 gears. Ground cable attaches to starter housing.

              Method is had by changing old armature Magnetron to the most modern Magnetron with dual cables, modern universal built in trigger , not Briggs type, so that Magnetron is NOT an

              autotransformer. (Separate secondary side) The ignition process is self contained without using BATTERY ground, as power is from one magnet on outside of flywheel.
              Main power source is PURE SINE WAVE ONLY Inverter similar to Lvyuan 500W Blue box with MORE available SURGE currents, to get 7amp pulses through spark plug. The most common modified sine

              wave type boxes do not give much higher surge current. Bridge rectifier and filter capacitor gives proper DC output.

              What I'm talking about is the instants when the battery ground is normally at bottom of spark plug, and Inverter power jumps gap and connects with ground within the 0 to 34 degrees ignition

              ON TIME, and repeated. This is also why a common boost converter or regular bench power supply can't be used. Inverter only with separate secondary side, they come in high frequency and

              also 60 cycles.The 2008 2 videos had the dangerous negative high voltage on the car battery during the starting mode.

              The S1R9A9M9 electromagnet allows high volts to go straight through without problem with the 12vDC line. I use 10KV white china cable to stop all shorts along with #16 gauge solid insulated

              wire for the 12 + 23 turns, with adjustable pull core for magnetic field inside vinyl tube center. The series adjustable power resistor allows change in input 6A battery current for the

              field adjustment. This will change the pulse on time of high voltage so as more contact time of Inverter current with the water solution.




              Photo included today is gadget for testing firing of hydrogen by popping off end PCV cap as press fit. Baking soda/water solution put on plug terminals . The outer ground lug is cut off for

              wide gap, and allowing blast to go straight out. Stainless steel marine spark plug is sealed in with epoxy at one end. Ignition white cable return line is screwed to plug base through

              plastic shell.

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              • #52
                I put together another handmade S1R9A9M9 electromagnet for use with Four amps current. My last other one was for 6 amps with different windings. The now current one is exactly like the original as per unusual winding method and like Megatran, with same original count of turns. Red white and blue just like our flag. It has variable inductance with pull core. Another one of my improvements. Nathren said a set up needed about 15 amps total. That would include the "smaller" Inverter input 11 Amps + 4 Amps electromagnet. Ohms law step up transformer voltage ratio 1:10 as same as increase of input side power current. This was assuming the dual alternators type was not changed on his 18HP Briggs. He told me directly that his engine DIDN"T HAVE AN ALTERNATOR! All riding lawnmower engines have an alternator. He said he bought it new just for the 2008 videos to make. I saw lots of grime, dirt/dust on it in close up photos from years of use. The dual alternators type with red + black wires with bridge rectifier added to both sides produces about 15 volts DC at about 15 amps max capability. PEAK current on bench oscilloscope set circuit as 7 amps, with proper resistance in series, with AVERAGE current over full cycle time as about 1.3amps at low duty cycle. See photo electromagnet.

                Later today, I also mounted a new starter motor on project Briggs 12HP engine. It was electrically insulated from engine block with plastic bolts and plastic washers. The battery ground cable mounted onto starter only. Separate needed connections will go on 2 mounted brass bus strips for plus and minus of battery wires power as needed. The Inverter box secondary side firing to spark plug will never burn out as shorted to battery through spark plug ground, as per many other people's previous disasters. The flywheel has proper MATCHING aluminum ring gear, along with proper MATCHING PLASTIC starter motor small gear. Plastic gear during contact cannot make any electrical connection. Verified with ohmmeter. I'm always pushing forward.

                I am also putting together P.W.M. so as can vary the output of Inverter final DC and KEEPING PEAK VOLTAGE THE SAME, while varying the current , wattage, and duty cycle on time. The 100 volts is necessary for the tiny electrodes of zero ohms spark plug. I didn't want to get into capacitor discharges , since they go in the realm of microseconds, not required milliseconds of spark plug.
                Sometime I will rewrite my poor drawings schematic diagram and send copy, so as you can see my judgments for final circuit. It includes many diodes and 2 Dayton brand modified Inductors for 1.75millihenries. I also have for later tests, the 2 vacuum chambers hand made of magnets, spark gap, diodes and inductors.

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