Building a window motor

[min2oly]

Hello Guy, Patrick, Friends
Funny you ask about the window motors. I couldn't think of any more ways to run my motors until the other day. I managed to run my steel rotor motor wirelessly from a Tesla coil. Well I add a ground if I want to get the best run. I run the coil from the alum motorcycle battery and use the Slayer exciter circuit for the coil. I'm running at about 11 volts and can get about 4-6 feet away from the coil with a one foot long antenna on the AV plug for running the half wave circuit for the window motor. I haven't been doing very much other than getting caught up on things that I've neglected over the last few years. Oh Ya, recovery from taking a beating on the UFO forum is still taking time too. Ha, LOL. I'll probably have a video posted next week if you're interested.
Nice talking to you guys again.
John

Always interested - looking at the number of views on your vids you might just have a "couple" of others interested as well :-)

for any newbies, that's sarcasm. Dadhav has millions of views!

My transparent motorcycle alum battery has finally settled to about 12V on the high side (that's right after a charge) and normally rests around 11.5 pretty cool no acid :-)

Kind regards - Patrick A.

[AlvaroHN]

I have an issue with the idea about running a ssg circuit, and send the recovery to a cap that would be the source for a bedini-cole circuit in the same rotor.

The SSG circuit in radiant mode tuned to 1 pulse per magnet would give me a RPM of aprox 3200. but with the secondary circuit in place (bedini-cole) the RPM went down to 2000+ , so I started to try things to see what was causing the RPM loss... After some tests, it seems that the bedini-cole circuit is causing drag even if it is not triggered, is that normal???

I connected the SSG circuit to run the rotor and the output of the ssg was sent to a comparator. Then I placed again the bedini-cole circuit with an empty cap as power source and the drag started again, there is power been sent to the primary of the bedini-cole when the rotor is spinning, by normal induction (the output of the bedini-cole was not connected to anything) I don't know why this is happening since the power coil is isolated from the power source (empty cap) by the 2 transistors. Could this be happening because of the reverse breakdown of the transistors???

Any advice?

Alvaro

Anyone?

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[DadHav]

Hello Guy, Patrick, Friends
Funny you ask about the window motors. I couldn't think of any more ways to run my motors until the other day. I managed to run my steel rotor motor wirelessly from a Tesla coil. Well I add a ground if I want to get the best run. I run the coil from the alum motorcycle battery and use the Slayer exciter circuit for the coil. I'm running at about 11 volts and can get about 4-6 feet away from the coil with a one foot long antenna on the AV plug for running the half wave circuit for the window motor. I haven't been doing very much other than getting caught up on things that I've neglected over the last few years. Oh Ya, recovery from taking a beating on the UFO forum is still taking time too. Ha, LOL. I'll probably have a video posted next week if you're interested.
Nice talking to you guys again.
John

[guyzzemf]

it has not run this month i am seriously thinking about putting back the force fire coils as i call them WMW window motor windings but they came off the A motor .as i think i have a way to keep them from getting nick [hit] by magnets

[min2oly]

Hello Patrick, It's nice to see you're still around helping people. It seems that most of the guys we experimented with in the last years aren't very active any more or maybe I'm no longer familiar with what's of current interest.
Take care Pal. Just saying hello.
John

What Guy said :-)

Hope all is well... I still quote you from time to time and reference your vids. How are your motors n'stuff doing?

good to hear from you - still plugging along Patrick

[guyzzemf]

ha John
been two long
guy

[DadHav]

Hello Patrick, It's nice to see you're still around helping people. It seems that most of the guys we experimented with in the last years aren't very active any more or maybe I'm no longer familiar with what's of current interest.
Take care Pal. Just saying hello.
John

[AlvaroHN]

I have an issue with the idea about running a ssg circuit, and send the recovery to a cap that would be the source for a bedini-cole circuit in the same rotor.

The SSG circuit in radiant mode tuned to 1 pulse per magnet would give me a RPM of aprox 3200. but with the secondary circuit in place (bedini-cole) the RPM went down to 2000+ , so I started to try things to see what was causing the RPM loss... After some tests, it seems that the bedini-cole circuit is causing drag even if it is not triggered, is that normal???

I connected the SSG circuit to run the rotor and the output of the ssg was sent to a comparator. Then I placed again the bedini-cole circuit with an empty cap as power source and the drag started again, there is power been sent to the primary of the bedini-cole when the rotor is spinning, by normal induction (the output of the bedini-cole was not connected to anything) I don't know why this is happening since the power coil is isolated from the power source (empty cap) by the 2 transistors. Could this be happening because of the reverse breakdown of the transistors???

Any advice?

Alvaro

[Gary Hammond]

Here you go.

http://www.icehouse.net/john1/dsw1.jpg

This is found under "Motor diagrams and lab Notes" on John's old "icehouse" web site http://www.icehouse.net/john1/john1.html

[AlvaroHN]

Hi Bradley I think that the original schematics are the ones that uses a trigger winding http://www.fight-4-truth.com/Window-Motor%20JB-RC.jpg


I made a bedini-cole circuit the other day, and used the one in the image called 1GT, like the ferris wheel but with just power coil (ferris wheel used 3 parallel coils),

basicly instead of the trigger winding it uses a hall sensor.

that one is: http://www.feelthevibe.com/free_ener...edini/s1gt.jpg

if you google "bedini-cole circuit" you will get a looooot of variants of the same circuit,

best,

Alvaro

[Bradley Malone]

After becoming very frustrated with google i have decide to just ask here. does anyone have a link to a schematic of the bedini cole circuit people use for the window motor. i have come accross a few that say thats what they are but they are all different in some way. I am hoping to find the "original" circuit. anyone got it?

EDIT: looked for hours couldn't find it....post asking for it and i found it two minutes later!!! silly universe!

[AlvaroHN]

I like your plan. I proposed two methods:
1. SSG charges a cap and use that cap to power your bedini/cole. set your wheel to trigger your bedini/cole once per rotation. If your cap is filling up too fast, add another trigger twice per rotation, if your cap is not filling up enough, use a smaller cap...

2. charge a cap and use one of the cap dump ckts by RS or JB. set it to dump at the voltage level you want 20V.... dump it into a 2nd cap. Use that second cap as the "primary" source to drive the bedini/cole coil. so here you still have the timing set to fire the bedini cole once per rotation, however if it is taking more than one rotation to reach your 20V the bedini/cole will not fire as the source cap will not have enough energy.

I like number one the best, it's the least complicated.

You're going to find that the source cap on the bedini/cole coil will charge up even w/o the SSG cap dumping into it. Spin the wheel and you will see. It may or may not get to the 20v on it's own however...

I'm sure there is a cleaner way to do this, my mind just works this way. Some who are good with circuits could come up with a comparator that would let the bedini cole know the source cap has enough voltage go ahead and switch on the trigger...
not sure if you ever saw this vid I was doing something similar here I was sending the secondary system's energy output back to the primary battery on the "original SSG":

Patrick tnx for the support, I will try the idea and share the results, I will probably go with the 1 trigger per revolution as you suggest.

thank you again!

best,

Alvaro

[min2oly]

Tnx for the reply Patrick, I didn't understand very well what you say about do a cap dump to a second cap and then using that as power for the beidni-cole. Could you explain it a little better please?

What I am trying to do is to re-use the initial power as many times as I can to get maxium RPM: So the first stage would be the SSG circuit (probably in GEN MODE), then the output of the ssg circuit would go to the cap that will power the bedini-cole circuit (that will give a really strong extra punch to the rotor if the cap is high in voltage and capacity), then I can use the output of the bedini-cole again, maybe to feed the bedini-cole cap or a second cap powering another bedini-cole.

I know that the output of the SSG and the bedini cole is always less than what I put in, but let's say that with the ssg I get 3000 rpm, then with the output of the ssg into the bedini-cole I could get another 1500 rpm, and then another 750 rpm more, etc, etc. in 3 stages I could get 5000++ RPM using the same power.

Then I am going to have regular generator coils to charge a 2nd battery. GEN COILS -> COMPARATOR CAP DUMP -> 2nd BATTERY.

And I can probably also include some tesla nodes all over the place.

I like your plan. I proposed two methods:
1. SSG charges a cap and use that cap to power your bedini/cole. set your wheel to trigger your bedini/cole once per rotation. If your cap is filling up too fast, add another trigger twice per rotation, if your cap is not filling up enough, use a smaller cap...

2. charge a cap and use one of the cap dump ckts by RS or JB. set it to dump at the voltage level you want 20V.... dump it into a 2nd cap. Use that second cap as the "primary" source to drive the bedini/cole coil. so here you still have the timing set to fire the bedini cole once per rotation, however if it is taking more than one rotation to reach your 20V the bedini/cole will not fire as the source cap will not have enough energy.

I like number one the best, it's the least complicated.

You're going to find that the source cap on the bedini/cole coil will charge up even w/o the SSG cap dumping into it. Spin the wheel and you will see. It may or may not get to the 20v on it's own however...

I'm sure there is a cleaner way to do this, my mind just works this way. Some who are good with circuits could come up with a comparator that would let the bedini cole know the source cap has enough voltage go ahead and switch on the trigger...
not sure if you ever saw this vid I was doing something similar here I was sending the secondary system's energy output back to the primary battery on the "original SSG":

[aln]

If trying this on one shaft, try splitting the positives like dave wing has shown and then invert the ssg bedini. doing it all on one shaft may have additional benefit, not sure. On my to try list. The list is long so it will be a while. Aln

[AlvaroHN]

What if you trigger the bedini cole once per revolution instead? put a single magnet for a hall switch or reed that would trigger the bedini cole. If you don't think your getting enough voltage with the single revolution you could always do a cap dump of say 20ish volts to a second cap and when that trigger magnet comes around it would fire using that second cap as the power source...

There was some one here Bob, Aln... I can't remember now... who triggered the cap dump though a coil that was on the rotor. the cool thing is that coil can also act as a generator toward the source cap until you fire it.

Can I ask what your thoughts are on what you hope to accomplish?
Thanks - Patrick A.

Tnx for the reply Patrick, I didn't understand very well what you say about do a cap dump to a second cap and then using that as power for the beidni-cole. Could you explain it a little better please?

What I am trying to do is to re-use the initial power as many times as I can to get maxium RPM: So the first stage would be the SSG circuit (probably in GEN MODE), then the output of the ssg circuit would go to the cap that will power the bedini-cole circuit (that will give a really strong extra punch to the rotor if the cap is high in voltage and capacity), then I can use the output of the bedini-cole again, maybe to feed the bedini-cole cap or a second cap powering another bedini-cole.

I know that the output of the SSG and the bedini cole is always less than what I put in, but let's say that with the ssg I get 3000 rpm, then with the output of the ssg into the bedini-cole I could get another 1500 rpm, and then another 750 rpm more, etc, etc. in 3 stages I could get 5000++ RPM using the same power.

Then I am going to have regular generator coils to charge a 2nd battery. GEN COILS -> COMPARATOR CAP DUMP -> 2nd BATTERY.

And I can probably also include some tesla nodes all over the place.