How to Make a Bedini Crystal Battery

[RS_]

JB

I have been studying the Zeolites in this context since you mentioned them, and how they produce the cage structure in the crystal lattice that can trap the SO4, but sill let the H2O pass in / out of the cage..... Before that, I had been studying the Zeolites in light of their filtering ability, to trap radioactive contaminants that may be in the rain water that I collect for my greenhouse Aquaponics system.
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You said to add a 5 or 9 hydrate to the alum and sodium silicate, so I was looking at some of the Boron based zeolite's Lattice, and thought that a boron or borax dopant might help make a better crystal lattice cage structure....... I was not trying to confuse any one...... Just asking if you thought it might help, or was the 5 hydrate you mentioned to add to the other 2 hydrates...........

Jack, Jeromy and I built several of the treated Copper Alum and Magnesium cells, and they are still working after almost a year.... Just add distilled water to bring them back to life.....
crystal battery testing.wmv - YouTube

We built several other cells, some in a thick aluminum can with magnesium, some of which we used epsom salt and/or borax in along with the alum....... some of them worked good, and were really strong cells for a while, and then slowly died out after a few days to a week or so........ these would work good in a emergency, if that is all you had to work with........

I will keep following along, and keep my mouth shut.........

[nickle989]

Hmm ... part of what I see happening down at the quantium level is that everything is in a state of flux trying to find the right partner but never being able to close but not quite ... we can cause an influence in though ... with the cyrstal battery / solid state battery very simmilar reactions. The mixture contains different builds of crystals some with even points and some with odd points ... these I want to call transmitters and recepters for the "mini electrical storm" that is happening, these fighting matrix's are trying to find an equalibrium together but never can as we are tapping the energy ... I liken to the concept of David Hamel, when I spoke with him ... take three sharpened pencils and stand them end on end of each other, with the slightest preasure/vibration they loose the balance and can never find balance again with out some outside force - this is how he envisioned his machine working the way that it did.

John B. it is good to be envigourated again. One of the things that I have been playing with is "locking up" different components in the crystal structures and "tricking" the cell ... I have gone from a .858 working volt to almost 1.52 working volt. It does take a long time testing and trusting my gut feeling when something should not work in "science" but the gut tells me it does. Hopefully this weekend I will be lead coating the copper and run some tests.

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John It's to soon to tell but it looked like the stator motor in the earlier video I posted might be able to run well past the rated capacity of the battery. The feedback from generator coil seems to really like the impedance of the alum cells. To early to say for sure but I'll see.
Thanks John
John Hav. ......... ...........

[John_Bedini]

@all,
The other thing I want to bring up about Alum, Ammonium Aluminum Sulphate, and not the other Alum, is that in the conversation with Lidmotor who is a very advanced builder with these cells and has conducted many experiments. It was talked about just how many metals can be used with this Alum and it's just not lead plates that work. This requires hours of research into metals and batteries not to much that has not been done it this field, but not in the Crystal form. I learn more each day. I do not have all the answers, but I have a long history with Lead Acid Batteries of all kinds. It has always been on my mind to get rid of the Lead Acid chemistry with Sulfuric Acid in some way. If this battery is formed right with added cells can supply the 12 volts as Chuck found out. I have a new battery I will video as I fill it and test. I also found out that a second hand glass blender works the best for mixing the chemicals.

[John_Bedini]

Fausto,
Yes that is what you want to do, it does not make a big difference in the plates you use as long as the degrading can be contained, or the sulfate. You have a very good experiment of what can be done with the cell and you have been at this from the beginning. in other words you know what your doing. Your correct in the final stage of Ion transfer, it would be nice to get them to move one way and then recharge themselves back the other way without a power supply say, ambient room temperature. I think you have seen this before with these cells. Lead was a better choice to do this with.

What people should understand about Fausto is that he is a very advanced builder with these cells and has used Borax in things but I do not know about with lead as Hydrate 9 is something much different.

I think we don't have a definite formula yet but guidelines.

Bedini clearly says that H2SO4 (Sulfuric Acid) is helpful in balancing the performance of the electrolyte. Molecules that have H2O locked in such as Epson salts, Sodium Silicate and Borax can be used with the intention of adding H2O to the crystal. Alum is the crystal medium (obviously).

So I think it is a matter of finding the combination of elements that can perform the following functions:
1 - Crystal Growth
2 - Neither Acid or Alkaline solution (balanced)
3 - Metal plates that will not corrode with Alum such as Lead
4 - Locked in H2O molecule (water) so that the cell can store energy
5 - An element that can separate the harmful SO4 (ion of the Sulfuric acid)
6 - The final electrolyte should be aiding the Ion transfer, in other words, the electrolyte must be conductive to electricity flow.

If I am wrong, please clarify guys.

Fausto.

[John_Bedini]

RS,
I would not use borax it has not worked before and it might not work this time. I understand what your saying. This is something quite different, requires pure chemicals to work correct. Trying to substitute may not give the same results. You can find many ways to make Synthetic Zeolite. It must be very close to what I said. You can try what you want as I'm not going to say no to anything in your experiment. It can only be Zeolite when it dries out. I have some better pictures but I have not had time to post them. It seems to work the best with what I have used for chemicals. I have found it is not a Lead Acid battery after that, it's something much different in how it acts. The impedance of the cells is much different then what you have done in the past with Lead Acid Batteries and you must match it to the load. Have you built any of these crystal batteries before? Or are you just saying that you know this will work? I have never used things in a substitute mode, that is like changing a circuit that works to something you think works better and then when you do not get the results it's no good. Have not you and I been through this before. Please build to plan first and not confuse others with different chemicals, unless you know that it works exactly the same and can show us by video your experiment and the cell working. Do not confuse the voltage of where this battery is, in standing voltage, if it were Lead Acid it would stand at 12.67 or better. This battery at the highest point is 11.36 and some at 9.35. This is dependent on the construction of the battery used.

JB,

I have been following along here, and think that Borax would be a good 5 hydrate to add to the 2 other hydrates

NH4Al(SO4)2·12H2O Alum

Na2SiO2(OH)2·4H2O Sodium silicate

you said to add a 5 or 9 hydrate to the 2 above hydrates

Na2[B4O5(OH)4]·8H2O borax, this would be a octahydrate in a fully hydrated form. § Borax pentahydrate (Na2B4O7·5H2O) is a 5 hydrate, a partly dehydrated form, that is commonly sold as detergent ie: 20 Mule Team

borax, is Sodium, Boron oxide, hydrate

mixing correct proportions of these 3 would create a Synthetic Zeolite, and adding just enough SO4 to make the PH neutral at 7, so it acts like the switch you mentioned once it crystallizes

Boron is a P Dopant, and will form up with the Aluminum / Sodium Silicate as part of the structure of the crystal cage that holds the SO4 locked up, and that cage space should hold more SO4 than Alum / Sodium Silicate alone. I think that this combination will create a cage space that is a dodecahedron (12 Faces shape)
Would adding the boron P dopant, make the cell act like a PN junction...?

I do not quite understand where the Ammonium - (Nitrogen / Hydrogen) fits in the crystal though........

[Branch Gordon]

Ok running a new test to see if I have this battery nailed down. I grabbed a bunch of LEDs and put them on a breadboard. It's pulling around 290mA.

Got the curve running. Will post another update tomorrow when it evens out down at a lower voltage.

[RS_]

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[RS_]

We are also trying to create a crystal cage structure ie: Synthetic Zeolite, that will trap the H2OSO4, but will allow the H20 to flow in / out of the cage while trapping the SO4 in the cage as the cell charges and discharges, and the PH rocks back and forth between the charge and discharge state.......

This is still a Lead Acid battery, but with the SO4 part of the H2OSO4 Locked in a cage, so that it can not deposit on the Lead plates and cause sulfanation...

[plengo]

Could somebody confirm tha t this is the right crystal for lead alum battery?
I've made lead alum from 7AH bike battery with only alum and water, the resting voltage after charge with SG monopole only 9V, which is too low, but the good thing aboit it, it can rotate SG for days at 7.5V without dropping it lower and it charges back fast with monopole.

I think we don't have a definite formula yet but guidelines.

Bedini clearly says that H2SO4 (Sulfuric Acid) is helpful in balancing the performance of the electrolyte. Molecules that have H2O locked in such as Epson salts, Sodium Silicate and Borax can be used with the intention of adding H2O to the crystal. Alum is the crystal medium (obviously).

So I think it is a matter of finding the combination of elements that can perform the following functions:
1 - Crystal Growth
2 - Neither Acid or Alkaline solution (balanced)
3 - Metal plates that will not corrode with Alum such as Lead
4 - Locked in H2O molecule (water) so that the cell can store energy
5 - An element that can separate the harmful SO4 (ion of the Sulfuric acid)
6 - The final electrolyte should be aiding the Ion transfer, in other words, the electrolyte must be conductive to electricity flow.

If I am wrong, please clarify guys.

Fausto.

[hiops]

Thank you Chuk. That is what I used. Sorry about the confusion. .Liquid Silica is Sodium Silicate for me.

On the cell on the video I precisely used, 5% Sodium Silicate, 80% Alum, 5% Epson salts (for more H2O locked molecules) and 10% distilled water. (Percentage for volume).

Fausto.

Could somebody confirm tha t this is the right crystal for lead alum battery?
I've made lead alum from 7AH bike battery with only alum and water, the resting voltage after charge with SG monopole only 9V, which is too low, but the good thing aboit it, it can rotate SG for days at 7.5V without dropping it lower and it charges back fast with monopole.

[RS_]

JB,

I have been following along here, and think that Borax would be a good 5 hydrate to add to the 2 other hydrates

NH4Al(SO4)2·12H2O Alum

Na2SiO2(OH)2·4H2O Sodium silicate

you said to add a 5 or 9 hydrate to the 2 above hydrates

Na2[B4O5(OH)4]·8H2O borax, this would be a octahydrate in a fully hydrated form. § Borax pentahydrate (Na2B4O7·5H2O) is a 5 hydrate, a partly dehydrated form, that is commonly sold as detergent ie: 20 Mule Team

borax, is Sodium, Boron oxide, hydrate

mixing correct proportions of these 3 would create a Synthetic Zeolite, and adding just enough SO4 to make the PH neutral at 7, so it acts like the switch you mentioned once it crystallizes

Boron is a P Dopant, and will form up with the Aluminum / Sodium Silicate as part of the structure of the crystal cage that holds the SO4 locked up, and that cage space should hold more SO4 than Alum / Sodium Silicate alone. I think that this combination will create a cage space that is a dodecahedron (12 Faces shape)
Would adding the boron P dopant, make the cell act like a PN junction...?

I do not quite understand where the Ammonium - (Nitrogen / Hydrogen) fits in the crystal though........

[Branch Gordon]

Well...I am understanding some of the simpler concepts here. I get now that the battery is designed to sustain a long, low voltage.

But I am admittedly very lost now with the advanced chemistry discussion and other things. I just don't have the experience yet with years of free energy research.

I ask that the more advanced researchers here try and have a degree of patience with myself and other new people here. I have always subscribed to the philosophy that no question is stupid as long as it leads to learning.

Right now I'm just happy to have participated in some research here, and that it actually works!

Branch

p.s. I have an LED light strip on the way...I'll be posting a new curve once that arrives.

[LesK]

Yes, That's right. I remember when it picked up the earth quake. I had forgotten. That pretty much answered the question for me as I was wondering if there were tests to perform. But you've already been there as usual.
The last few days I have been playing with the water. As I load the battery and start into the discharge cycle I keep adding a little water to keep the plates covered. Mostly just to see how much water it might absorb.
What was interesting is that for the first ten cycles on this battery it would only take about 2 amps under charge. But after I went through adding the water, it then began to take 4 amps under charge. This battery takes a long time to cycle so it will take some time to see what other differences there may be. I suspect the container this battery was made in has very little free space to contain water, thus starving the cell. Evidently another design to cripple the battery from the mfg.

Les

LesK,
I have seen that with all crystal batteries, when we were over on the earth lights group if you remember the cell early on picked up that earthquake. Heat and temperature was also detected. Using Epsom Salts is very good at that because the experiment is on youtube when I took all the water out of the cell and after that it only responded to heat. But, I did want to stay away from using a Heptahydrate and only use hydrates to contain the SO4 in the crystal. I know you have been thinking so have we at the shop. It would be easy to run those test but only at the crystal level. that is why Chuck and I are running out that converted battery. what is the problem, is it the Alum you have. This battery runs at a lower voltage then the 12 volts so everything must be re-calculated for Amp hrs. a good one is around 9.7 volts the Willard stands at 11.34 for some reason and it must be the difference in the lead. The chemical engineers have been changing the oxide mixture for a long time.

[John_Bedini]

Prigogine system

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John It's to soon to tell but it looked like the stator motor in the earlier video I posted might be able to run well past the rated capacity of the battery. The feedback from generator coil seems to really like the impedance of the alum cells. To early to say for sure but I'll see.
Thanks John
John Hav.[/quote]

I agree with you on this as I'm currently testing this theory as well on my setup. It seems like this thing cannot live very long without the proper impedence matching. John said these things all along but very few people were really aware of this. It's now time to understand the phenomena and replicate!

An answer to the Earth Lights Group after some effects seen. it is dealing with the ever changing impedance of the crystal. and a Crystal form is solid state. this is dealing with "Quantum mechanics"

Some things to think about: The battery can live a long time in the crystal form and continue to supply current at it's level of operation. Impedance is ever changing with this type of cell, it's like a switch between levels. Remember what I said a long time ago on the Earth Lights Group about the Prigogine system: a many-particle system which is deliberately forced to exist far from thermodynamic equilibrium, and which exhibits negative entropy. Note that local curvature of vacuum spacetime places the local virtual state flux in nonequilibrium conditions, with the result that an observable energy "sink" or "source" can be produced.

This is what your seeing, it's not understood by most but the system can be liner in one direction and nonliner in the other direction such as in a discharge condition. why is that, the lead wants to do one thing the crystal another. I knew sooner or later someone would see this effect and they did / DadHav. I did say early in the posts what it was. I have been looking at this for a very long time. The Alum battery with lead oxide plates fits the ticket. You both have seen the light in what is going on in this battery.

I'm going to calculate the nonliner curve to an average in hours, that will be my next test. I said to everybody here get ready to see what solid state is in batteries. I have tried to make this very easy for everybody, but the system I seek is far from the norm and it seems to be working in my lab, small but working.

[11sprials11]

Ok got it thanks so much!

Anhydrous sodium silicate contains a chain polymeric anion composed of corner shared {SiO4} tetrahedral, and not a discrete SiO32− ion.[1] In addition to the anhydrous form, there are hydrates with the formula Na2SiO3·nH2O (where n = 5, 6, 8, 9) which contain the discrete, approximately tetrahedral anion SiO2(OH)22− with water of hydration. For example, the commercially available sodium silicate pentahydrate Na2SiO3·5H2O is formulated as Na2SiO2(OH)2·4H2O and the nonahydrate Na2SiO3·9H2O is formulated as Na2SiO2(OH)2·8H2O.[2]