How to Make a Bedini Crystal Battery

[Branch Gordon]

That's good that I wouldn't be stuck. I'm not sure I follow you though on adding to balance. Bear with me as I haven't dealt with any chemistry since high school (14 years ago).

I looked up SO4 because I didn't know what that was. It's sulfate...but where do you get it from? Do you scrape it off of an old battery? To add it, would I just drop it right into the cells, or would I need to dump out the mixture and add the sulfate there before putting it back in?

Another question...if I am using the RC-2A12 to charge the battery, won't that prevent sulfation regardless of my mixture? I thought that was a function of the charger was to keep a battery from sulfating.

Thanks for your answers so far. Very helpful.

Branch,
You will know that during discharge, and your not stuck as you can add to the mixture to balance it. As I said before Alum is made with Sulfuric Acid so if the balance is off some SO4 may be added . I know it's not that easy to do the chemistry it's only going to be off by two or three, no big deal. The next video will explain some of that of how it is locked up in the chemical. I have tried other things but the chemistry only will work one way Alum and a Hydrate /5 /9 will just add more water if you add it. Here is the thing you want to understand, you do not want to form Lead sulfate on the plates, you want the Crystal to lock that up so you will find none. That is what the balance will do if correct, it's like a switch.

[plengo]

@John Bedini,

would you disclose what is the formula you are using for the mix? I know it is alum but what else?

I am also running a week long charge/discharge over one cell and I will post very soon the chart.

Many thanks,

Fausto.

[John_Bedini]

Branch,
You will know that during discharge, and your not stuck as you can add to the mixture to balance it. As I said before Alum is made with Sulfuric Acid so if the balance is off some SO4 may be added . I know it's not that easy to do the chemistry it's only going to be off by two or three, no big deal. The next video will explain some of that of how it is locked up in the chemical. I have tried other things but the chemistry only will work one way Alum and a Hydrate /5 /9 will just add more water if you add it. Here is the thing you want to understand, you do not want to form Lead sulfate on the plates, you want the Crystal to lock that up so you will find none. That is what the balance will do if correct, it's like a switch.

[Branch Gordon]

John B,

If the alum mixture is incorrect once poured into a lead battery, are you then stuck with it if it's wrong?

What are some indications that the mixture is correct? On the flip-side, what are some indications that the mixture is incorrect?

Is the mix going to be different for every battery?

I would just hate to buy an expensive high AH battery to convert...get the mix wrong, and then be out a battery...

[John_Bedini]

@All,
That discharger wants to hold a constant current. The cells will generate noise because of the bubbling, So all you do is add a capacitor across the battery under load test it does not bother a thing to do that. Crystal batteries do generate noise as you can see from my early videos from the Earth Light Group. Again I will say that you must balance the Alum solution to work correctly in a conversion. The chemical is neither SO4 or (NH4)Al(SO4)2·12H2O and must be balanced to work correct in a lead battery. As can be seen in the next video the water in the cell is locked up in the Alum Hydrate Crystal. During a discharge condition it's using the water and building a crystal between the plates, but a conductive one that will release the water again, and this is how it switches between charge and discharge.

[k4zep]

Mr Bedini, what do you mean "Alum battery will be different with the CBA I would take to about 9 volts."? please.

I noticed that with my CBA II when load testing the cell , she became totally erratic in the voltage and took about 1/2 hour for it to stabilize and create the curve smooth the same when I loaded the cell using a motor.

Fausto.

Hi Fausto,

At times, I had that problem of erratic trace with the CBA II when I first started a discharge, I think it might have to do with bubbles on the plates, don't know for sure, Make sure the connections to battery are secure and tap the battery gently to get rid of any bubbles on the plates....

Ben K4ZEP

[11sprials11]

Hi John B, and Chuck
I would like to ask a quick question please. If I convert large 12v lead-acid betteries to Alum would they be able to power say a 1000 watt 12v inverter or larger, I'm working on building an off grid system and I'm trying to decide on the best battery setup for me. Thanks

Also I'm very thankfull to you and the others for sharing this very important work, I'm following along here in the sidelines and I'm having some success. My first conversion worked well and the batt. has a standing voltage of 12.47 and great current!
Thanks again Brad

[John_Bedini]

Fausto,
I don't know never had that problem with a alum battery on the cba 1 or the 3.

[plengo]

Mr Bedini, what do you mean "Alum battery will be different with the CBA I would take to about 9 volts."? please.

I noticed that with my CBA II when load testing the cell , she became totally erratic in the voltage and took about 1/2 hour for it to stabilize and create the curve smooth the same when I loaded the cell using a motor.

Fausto.

[Branch Gordon]

Yeah 10.5 volts.

Branch,
What are you going to take the lead acid to. 10.5 volts? Alum battery will be different with the CBA I would take to about 9 volts.

[John_Bedini]

Branch,
What are you going to take the lead acid to. 10.5 volts? Alum battery will be different with the CBA I would take to about 9 volts.

[Branch Gordon]

Ok I have my alum battery built. I am leaving my other identical battery as a lead-acid. They were purchased at the same time. So I will be running curves on both. I will charge the lead acid with a conventional charger. I will be charging the alum battery with the R-charge RC-2A12 charger.

Some notes:

1. I had to boil my distilled water to get the alum crystals to break down and dissolve. Made things more difficult. Next time I'm getting this stuff in powder form.
2. I didn't make any precise measurements. I just kept adding until it started to look cloudy, and then I did a finger test like in John's video to see if it was slippery. That's when I stopped.
3. The battery was sitting at 12.16 volts before charging. Hooked it up to the RC-2A12 and it was up to 15.2V within 30 minutes. The charger started flashing indicating it was done, so I disconnected.

Right now I'm discharging it at .20 amps with the CBAIII. It's my first time using the software so hopefully I have it all setup correctly.

How low should I discharge the battery to form it? Once formed, I would like to discharge it to the same voltage that I will be discharging the other lead-acid battery.

[John_Bedini]

LesK,
That is right just like a seesaw the chemical moves between the two so it's not Alum or Acid.
Very important Les. It has to act like a lead acid battery.

[LesK]

I apologize for my lack of chemical knowledge, if I had a better understanding I could express what I am seeing here much better.
Aluminum is Amphoteric = monkey.... Al reacts as a buffer either acidic or basic with two different dissociation constants.
what I see being said here, Is the chemistry in balance is acting like fulcrum on a seesaw between charge and discharge.
This last component in the chemistry your looking for will not only be moving the fulcrum of the seesaw by simply switching from charge to discharge, but must be the buffer to change the charge impedance vs discharge? charge fast; discharge slow?

I guess it just seems if we could get the electrons out of the way we could get past the seesaw and have a continual ionic flow....no sulfation no galvanic.

Les

[John_Bedini]

James,
You have analyzed the formula correct that is what happens. Since the chemical can switch it's function you want it to be natural, so the chemical can perform it's chemical function >>>> CHRGE
. DIS CHARGE <<<<<
If you balance the Acid with the Alum you will have a very strong battery that will last for many years without failure. I have some curves that prove that. It does not look like a lead acid battery. It can go either way. Ben can fix that battery by balancing the chemical and have a strong battery. You have also analyzed the surface area correct for this type of cell.
"Even if it looks like a lead acid cell it is not", you want a long sustained power curve to zero never hurting the battery. So what this means is that you can let the battery sit at zero without the same sulphation of the plates.