Mode 1 SSG COP > 1 Proof Thread

[Mike Swanson]

It's a fair cop... the big number is generator mode the rest are regular attraction, have one bad battery so don't get long runs but about a couple hours. Not cycling them fast either maybe 24 hours or more.

Battery cop System cop
1.76 .91 good battery charged
1.84 .84 ""
2.81 1.42 short 45 minute run in generator mode
2.07 .87 bad battery charged
2.17 .85 ""

[Mike Swanson]

Ok thanks I'll try to post if I get any--I only have one pretty good battery so I guess that's going to be the charge battery hopefully I can still get some shorter runs in.

[Dave Wing]

Hey Mike looking forward to seeing your results.

[Mike Swanson]

Thanks for sharing Mike. How are you calculating and performing your cop tests?

I was also wondering if anyone still had the old COP excel spreadsheet back from the days of the old SSG Yahoo groups? If yes can you please post a copy here on this thread.

Dave Wing

Hah, I calculated it using the old SSG Yahoo group spreadsheet. Still working on it since then. Just recording the run battery and charge battery current and voltage while machine is running and then the load amperage and time to discharge the charge battery through load as per the spreadsheet. Energy going into the battery versus energy coming out. Hopefully will be able to do some runs with the capacitor will post if so.Not as useful as the spreadsheet but can't post it it gives you what to measure anyway:

[Dave Wing]

Okay thank you Gary. I will PM you

Dave

[Gary Hammond]

Hi Dave,

Thanks for sharing Mike. How are you calculating and performing your cop tests?

I was also wondering if anyone still had the old COP excel spreadsheet back from the days of the old SSG Yahoo groups? If yes can you please post a copy here on this thread.

Dave Wing

I have it, but this forum won't let me upload it as a spread sheet. Maybe I could e-mail it to you instead?

Gary Hammond,

[Dave Wing]

Thanks for sharing Mike. How are you calculating and performing your cop tests?

I was also wondering if anyone still had the old COP excel spreadsheet back from the days of the old SSG Yahoo groups? If yes can you please post a copy here on this thread.

Dave Wing

[Mike Swanson]

From my spreadsheet couple years ago had some problems but with SG like in handbook garden batteries spikes to battery high numbers are flukes, average is around .7. Will try to post if I get better but long and short it seems as is I get a spinning wheel and a huge radius of a varying magnetic field at 200 some rpm with maybe 60-70% back:

Battery COP System COP
1.04 .44
1.34 .67
1.38 .66
.99 .56
.98 .74
1.15 1.01
.95 .78
.91 .77
1.35 .81
2.28 1.31
.8 .46
1.00 .54
1.65 .93
1.10 .62
1.00 .57
.93 .53
1.06 .61

[Faraday88]

Just drawing attention back to the original request made in this thread, which is proof. Thanks min2oly for posting your video. I think what he wanting to see is proof of a vanilla SG setup working as it should. A single coil and a wheel, generating COP > 1 with two identical batteries. Peukerts law or not, this machine accomplishing this feat with two identical batteries is the claim that has been made. And let's face it, that setup is appealing to some as you can then just use a genny coil for a small amount of free energy.

Can everyone just backup from the more complicated builds a moment in this thread? Jellior, and myself for that matter, need to master the basic vanilla setup before doing anything more elaborate.

@all,
John and other moderators have been telling since a long time now on the purpose of the Vanilla SSG, John in particular has emphasized on studying the Trigger mechanism
and what it did..
anyway....the Beginners SG book finally revealed it.
Rgds,
Faraday88.

[Dave Wing]

dave,

check your email address.

Tom C

Thanks Tom

[jelloir]

Hi Everyone,

Thanks for the info you have shared. I have a build thread I started showing the machines I have here: http://www.energyscienceforum.com/showthread.php?t=1737. I've been meaning to update it with more info but life gets in the way.

I have made countless changes to both machines including swapping the coils, a myriad of changes to the magnet spacing, coil gap, base and series resistance and so on and so on... My "testing" batteries have always been a concern and JB has stated that crap batteries are a factor in COP results... So there's that.

Whilst I sincerely appreciate all input and suggestions, as Branch has pointed out I would really like to see other SSG builds with mode 1 COP > 1. It would be great to have a single thread showing SSG's achieving this and help others continue to wrap their heads around how to trick out the radiant in the most efficient way.

James

[Branch Gordon]

Hey man..that's true..sorry. I got these threads flip flopped in my head somehow. :/

Hi Branch,
My vid had nothing to do with this request or I would have posted it here. Just following up on the 3PM magnets on the other thread.

jelloir, is there a thread with your build, pictures and what not?

[min2oly]

Hi Branch,
My vid had nothing to do with this request or I would have posted it here. Just following up on the 3PM magnets on the other thread.

jelloir, is there a thread with your build, pictures and what not?

Just drawing attention back to the original request made in this thread, which is proof. Thanks min2oly for posting your video. I think what he wanting to see is proof of a vanilla SG setup working as it should. A single coil and a wheel, generating COP > 1 with two identical batteries. Peukerts law or not, this machine accomplishing this feat with two identical batteries is the claim that has been made. And let's face it, that setup is appealing to some as you can then just use a genny coil for a small amount of free energy.

Can everyone just backup from the more complicated builds a moment in this thread? Jellior, and myself for that matter, need to master the basic vanilla setup before doing anything more elaborate.

[Branch Gordon]

Just drawing attention back to the original request made in this thread, which is proof. Thanks min2oly for posting your video. I think what he wanting to see is proof of a vanilla SG setup working as it should. A single coil and a wheel, generating COP > 1 with two identical batteries. Peukerts law or not, this machine accomplishing this feat with two identical batteries is the claim that has been made. And let's face it, that setup is appealing to some as you can then just use a genny coil for a small amount of free energy.

Can everyone just backup from the more complicated builds a moment in this thread? Jellior, and myself for that matter, need to master the basic vanilla setup before doing anything more elaborate.

[Gary Hammond]

Hi Alvaro,

Gary, is the SSG more efficient with the hall than with the trigger wire?

Alvaro

I really don't know the answer to your question because I don't have a direct basis of comparison. I modified my old SSG that had 5 #18 windings 150" long powered by 4 transistors. One of the windings was the trigger. So I added another transistor to fire the previously trigger winding since it was the same as the other 4. Then I added a hall switched circuit to trigger all 5 transistors.

I haven't run it for a while now, but I think it was drawing less from the primary and charging about the same in radiant mode as before. And I think it was charging better in common ground mode than before the modification. But it still didn't charge as well as my newer SSG with 7 #20 windings 130" long. This is the only one I've been able to get COP's > 1 with in common ground mode. This one runs well enough that I really don't want to convert it to hall switching and figure out something else to do with the #23 trigger winding.