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    Hi Aaron,
    I have a 1996 Toyota Tacoma PU with 2.4L 2RZFE ENGINE, I have already modified the spark plug connectors to have direct contact to the plugs. I also have converted the cap to an external coil which I can convert back if necessary? What will be a good unit to buy to make the plasma and what will be the schematic to use for the circuit connections?
    Thanks,
    Ron

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    Quote Originally Posted by rokan View Post
    Hi Aaron,
    I have a 1996 Toyota Tacoma PU with 2.4L 2RZFE ENGINE, I have already modified the spark plug connectors to have direct contact to the plugs. I also have converted the cap to an external coil which I can convert back if necessary? What will be a good unit to buy to make the plasma and what will be the schematic to use for the circuit connections?
    Thanks,
    Ron
    Hi Ron,

    As you mentioned in the emails there isn't a MSD type unit specific to the 2RZFE. However, many units like the budget MSD model Street Fire is universal and can be used on most 4, 6 or 8 cylinder engines as can the other MSD units. Very few are engine specific but are for a general type of engine. Dis-2 or 4 or whatever I used in my Subaru are for distributorless, the Street Fire can be used for points or electronic ignition that use a autotransformer coil with normal primary inputs and a high voltage output, etc.

    The cap you mention isn't needed because if you can hook up a CDI/MSD to your engine, the cap in that unit gets discharged into the primary of your ignition coil so you have a corresponding stepup in the high voltage output that increases. So instead of 12 volts going to the primary, you'll have 400-500 volts to the primary from a low capacitance capacitor. The Street Fire unit has 89 milijoules per discharge I believe and you can find up to the 135-150 range or so.

    Can you post a picture of your ignition coil and the cables that connect to the plugs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellenic Vanagon View Post
    Anyway, trying to isolate the factors, I have to check anything.
    And the problem is isolated:

    http://www.vwsyncro.eu/p/blog-page_34.html
    (scroll down please)

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    Here are some pics of the spark plug wires and cap that I modified.IMG_2160.jpgIMG_2161.JPGIMG_2162.JPG
    I hope they are self explanatory? I drilled a hole in the top of the cap to make connection with the rotor and disconnected and insulated the coil inside the distributor. If I can go back to using the internal coil that would be great and add the plasma external equipment to work with that will be awesome!
    Last edited by rokan; 05-11-2018 at 08:25 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellenic Vanagon View Post
    And the problem is isolated:

    http://www.vwsyncro.eu/p/blog-page_34.html
    (scroll down please)
    Please give a reminder on what you're pointing out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rokan View Post
    Here are some pics of the spark plug wires and cap that I modified.
    I hope they are self explanatory? I drilled a hole in the top of the cap to make connection with the rotor and disconnected and insulated the coil inside the distributor. If I can go back to using the internal coil that would be great and add the plasma external equipment to work with that will be awesome!
    Ron, if you check the resistance between the input terminal of the wires you spliced in to the spark plug cables to the terminal in the boot that slips over the plug is relatively low and you use non-resistor plugs, they should work fine. What is that resistance by the way if you can measure it?

    The coil you have looks simple enough - basic autotransformer coil with the primary if that its the red and white wires on the input and the hv output has a common ground with the ignition coil, you should have an easy job. I don't see what the Street Fire or other common MSD will not work. If that red is the primary + and the white is the primary - , then it should work.



    You hook it up like that depending on if you have points (top) or an electronic pickup (bottom). That is the first step to get the plasma on your Toyota.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron Murakami View Post
    Please give a reminder on what you're pointing out.
    My post #782:

    http://www.energyscienceforum.com/sh...ll=1#post28385

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron Murakami View Post
    Ron, if you check the resistance between the input terminal of the wires you spliced in to the spark plug cables to the terminal in the boot that slips over the plug is relatively low and you use non-resistor plugs, they should work fine. What is that resistance by the way if you can measure it?

    The coil you have looks simple enough - basic autotransformer coil with the primary if that its the red and white wires on the input and the hv output has a common ground with the ignition coil, you should have an easy job. I don't see what the Street Fire or other common MSD will not work. If that red is the primary + and the white is the primary - , then it should work.



    You hook it up like that depending on if you have points (top) or an electronic pickup (bottom). That is the first step to get the plasma on your Toyota.
    Aaron,
    The plug wires from the red section are solid wire for a direct connection to the plug. I spliced into the original wires leaving the top section coming from the cap original to help reduce RF?? I was under the assumption that when I build the plasma unit I would need to connect directly to the plug? I did the wire modification to allow that without having all wire plug wires which I understand can cause RF problems with the computer, right?

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    I can't enlarge the instructions to be able to read them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rokan View Post
    I can't enlarge the instructions to be able to read them?
    Here's the full PDF http://documents.msdperformance.com/5520.pdf
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