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Thread: Plasma Ignition | Plasma Jet Ignition

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    Hi everyone,

    If anyone wonders how to create plasma, just read Aaron's book it's all in there. I can confirm it works 100%!
    I got new diodes and new wire and it works with the new wire and new diode. However, it works perfectly with the old diode string I made in the first place too.

    I think I had the plasma earlier, but I just didn't see it as I was expecting a huge golf ball size of plasma. The 5520 feeding my Pro Power coil can't produce a golf ball size. MSD claims the Pro Power is too big for the 5520 and not compatible with that CDI box as the Pro Power coil requires too much power. Anyway, when I attach the string and remove it, I can clearly see the difference before and after. I recommend anyone to have the spark tester as outlined in the book that gives continuous sparks instead of grounding "by hand". It's so much easier to spot the difference when the system runs continuously. If you have cash and don't want to build the circuit in the book, you can buy a spark tester from MSD which sets you back a few hundred bucks... I'm sure that if I would have used a coil that was really compatible with the 5520, the plasma kernel would probably be bigger.. I'm still very happy as i could reproduce the phenomenon!

    The spark looks as if it's about 2-5 times bigger (subjectively) than the original CDI spark.

    All in all, it WORKS!!

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    Yes, it works!


    Was there any doubt.


    Give Arron big enough caps and he will start to take down incoming missiles :-)


    Carl

  3. #63
    Hiya! I never doubted it for a second that it wouldn't work. I just couldn't figure out what I did wrong. NOTE: To anyone replicating this, use proper gauge wires and not tiny tiny wires.
    The spark tester I'm using is the Multi Channel tester: http://www.msdignition.com/Products/Tools/Testers/
    If you are planning to use a CDI box with a single channel, and don't want to build your own circuit, you can go for the single channel tester. You can also trigger it by hand of course, but that can make it harder to see the phenomenon. Good luck guys! Now, I will install the two systems I got into our cars! Yiha!

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    Rikard,

    Glad it works! That CDI you have actually is pretty powerful, but of course different than the plasma.

    With the circular gap, much of the impulse is distributed around so you don't get a strong snap.

    Take 2 iron nails or any other good conductive pieces of metal and make a gap with the heads and hear the difference - so that you only have 2 points to jump across instead of the circular - you should be able to see the more SNAPPY impulse of the plasma.

    And what happens if you spray fine water mist on your plug with and without diode?

    Then try the water spray test with the iron nails or other 2 point gap.
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    Golf ball sized plasma - that was with some serious cap banks in parallel with the plug as "booster caps". Plasma that big will definitely eat your engine alive, especially when it is under compression/air where it grows even bigger.
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    Hi Aaron ,

    I feel higher order Topologies are possiable... which will dramatically boost the effect for the same power input..!
    Tesla's Wire exploding effect is similar ...Ball lightning???????
    rgds,
    Faraday88.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faraday88 View Post
    Hi Aaron ,

    I feel higher order Topologies are possiable... which will dramatically boost the effect for the same power input..!
    Tesla's Wire exploding effect is similar ...Ball lightning???????
    rgds,
    Faraday88.
    There is no need to boost it more and this is different than Tesla's disruptive discharges.

    This is why I push the smaller capacitors in the smaller CDI units - too big and you'll damage your engine.
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    Aaron

    I recently purchased your book, Ignition Secrets and have read it through, as well as watched the videos. This is very exciting, but I have some questions. I basically was drawn to your concept and book in an effort to make my vehicles more fuel efficient. I have a 2000 Cadillac DTS and a 2004 Chevy Avalanche. I believe both of these vehicles have an electronic ignition system, which, I believe means that they do not have a traditional coil and distributor setup. My Cadillac, for example, has two "coil packs" that mount over the two banks of front 4 and back 4 cylinders/spark plugs. Your book only addresses older cars with coil and distributor setup.....and the Street Fire CDI 5520 website says it only works on cars with coils and distributors, meaning there apparently doesn't seem to be a Capacitive Discharge Ignition for electronic ignition cars.

    Does this mean your ignition concepts do not work on Electronic Ignition Systems as found in newer cars? If the concepts work on newer cars, can you please clarify what those with newer cars should do to achieve Plasma Ignition? this is an interesting subject, but my primary interest is in the application to my own vehicles and potential fuel savings.

    Jody

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    Jody,

    MSD and others do make CDI/MSD type ignition modules for distributorless cars.

    On my own car - it is a 2.5 liter Subaru boxer engine with no distributor. It has a coil pack
    with 4 HV outputs for each cylinder. MSD makes a MSD system for that setup but not for my
    car - for Dodge Neon's and Mitsubishi Eclipses, but the coil pack is virtually identical so it
    will work.

    Once the MSD is hooked up, it is a matter of connecting the diodes between the capacitor
    in the unit and the spark plug boot.

    It's a wasted spark ignition and 2 of the HV outputs are the opposite polarity of the other 2
    so I have to figure that out. 2 diode strings will be in opposition to the other 2.
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