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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedy8311 View Post
    Hi...this is my first post,and I am learning a lot,so please excuse me if my question sounds a little amateurish..... Can I use a HV diode to block the ignition coil secondary voltage and then a low voltage diode after to block any kind of high amps that gets past the HV diode?
    Hi,
    Wonder why you need to do that?? first of all the High-Voltage diode is already used to block the secondary but allow the 'low' Voltage Capacitor that mergers with the spark Plasma to 'expolde into a Plasma with a higher Current density.
    adding a low -Voltage diode after this makes no sense to do any thing.
    hope that answers your question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedy8311 View Post
    Hi...this is my first post,and I am learning a lot,so please excuse me if my question sounds a little amateurish..... Can I use a HV diode to block the ignition coil secondary voltage and then a low voltage diode after to block any kind of high amps that gets past the HV diode?
    You only need the HV diodes. Get this book/video and it will take you from A to Z - http://ignitionsecrets.com - it will answer most questions you will come up with.
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    Ok....got it...I was thinking in the blocking direction,but I worked it out ....I have another question... I see references to millijoules ....I think its a measure of power....how does it compare to amps/watts? Other than the book/videos from Aaron I already have,is there any other reading material I can get to explain how the msd cdi is getting 450volts at 135mj and how that would relate to 450volts at 2amps?is it the same thing,if thats even right......I want to learn "how" it works along with the obvious way to make it work. I may not be a genius, but I am clever enough to want some background info to understand this better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedy8311 View Post
    Ok....got it...I was thinking in the blocking direction,but I worked it out ....I have another question... I see references to millijoules ....I think its a measure of power....how does it compare to amps/watts? Other than the book/videos from Aaron I already have,is there any other reading material I can get to explain how the msd cdi is getting 450volts at 135mj and how that would relate to 450volts at 2amps?is it the same thing,if thats even right......I want to learn "how" it works along with the obvious way to make it work. I may not be a genius, but I am clever enough to want some background info to understand this better.
    The budget msd unit I usually use is 89mj per discharge.

    millijoules is the amount of potential energy "stored" in a capacitor.

    1 volt x 1 amp = 1 watt (power rating - the rate at which work will be done)
    1 watt is the same as 1 joule potentially

    1 watt x 1 second = 1 watt second (amount of energy dissipated - this is actual work)
    1 watt second is 1 joule second, which is 1 joule delivered over 1 second

    1 joule delivered over 1 second is delivered at a power rating of 1 watt
    1 joule delivered over 0.5 seconds is 2 watts
    1 joule delivered over 0.1 seconds is 10 watts

    So if you take the 89mj but are able to discharge it in a very, very short period of time, which is what the plasma ignition does, the power of the discharge is through the roof.
    This is IMPULSE technology - discharging a certain amount of potential energy in the shortest period of time.

    The amps you are talking about could be a couple things.

    One may be how many amps at 12v is the cdi/msd drawing from the alternator at a given rpm to charge up the cap.

    Another meaning might be what the peak amp of the impulse is and that could be hundreds of amps or more.

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    Ok....so what your saying is your holding as much energy(Joules/watts) as you can(like water behind a dam-the dam being the diode) until it overpowers the dam(diode) and releases in one shot which is very short but very powerful. And this repeats as fast as the capacitor in the cdi can charge up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedy8311 View Post
    Ok....so what your saying is your holding as much energy(Joules/watts) as you can(like water behind a dam-the dam being the diode) until it overpowers the dam(diode) and releases in one shot which is very short but very powerful. And this repeats as fast as the capacitor in the cdi can charge up
    Something like that, but I wouldn't look at it like water behind a dam. The diode is more like a one way valve.

    You said you had the books - what about videos? Did you watch my video presentation on the plasma ignition from a couple conferences ago? I show how the plasma operates and why the cap discharges so fast.
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    Working through them...slowly...lol,I'll have time over the weekend to really look them over well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron Murakami View Post
    Something like that, but I wouldn't look at it like water behind a dam. The diode is more like a one way valve.

    You said you had the books - what about videos? Did you watch my video presentation on the plasma ignition from a couple conferences ago? I show how the plasma operates and why the cap discharges so fast.
    Hi Aaron,
    Yes the analogy of a Diode to the one way valve is so much coincidental to the unidirectional Pulse nature of TIME itself!!
    Rgds,
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    SC-DIY-CDI-article-hires.pdf

    Hi All, my first post here...red through every thing from page one and thought to share this diy MS CDI from John Clarke that I found some time ago...never tried it but maybe some one here could and give some feedback as it could be n very cheap and efficient replacement for the expensive MSD CDI's...
    Thanks for all of your input in this simple but high efficient design by Aaron with all the endless possibilities that comes with this design... I myself has tinkered since the early 2000's with HHO stuff and came to the conclusion that a injector system with some high spark was needed and since around 2013 started tinkering on the Meyer plug design...(Aaron, you posted the "secret" to the whole water as fuel thing a few pages back where you defended yourself against the nitrogen mix in the engine)...that led me here... I modified a normal NGK spark plug where I removed and replaced the shell (negative part of the plug) to feed water or vapor through it to pass that through the spark/magnetic field to get the desired effect together with the nitrogen gas in the chamber...well the plug was a resistor plug so back to the drawing board before I can test the plasma on that...
    Like the man himself said he alone can not bring it in and it would have to come from each one him self...

    Thanks for now...
    Enige iemand kan enige iets doen...as hy regtig wil.../Any one can do anything...if he realy want to...

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    Quote Originally Posted by morné View Post
    SC-DIY-CDI-article-hires.pdf

    Hi All, my first post here...red through every thing from page one and thought to share this diy MS CDI from John Clarke that I found some time ago...never tried it but maybe some one here could and give some feedback as it could be n very cheap and efficient replacement for the expensive MSD CDI's...
    Thanks for all of your input in this simple but high efficient design by Aaron with all the endless possibilities that comes with this design... I myself has tinkered since the early 2000's with HHO stuff and came to the conclusion that a injector system with some high spark was needed and since around 2013 started tinkering on the Meyer plug design...(Aaron, you posted the "secret" to the whole water as fuel thing a few pages back where you defended yourself against the nitrogen mix in the engine)...that led me here... I modified a normal NGK spark plug where I removed and replaced the shell (negative part of the plug) to feed water or vapor through it to pass that through the spark/magnetic field to get the desired effect together with the nitrogen gas in the chamber...well the plug was a resistor plug so back to the drawing board before I can test the plasma on that...
    Like the man himself said he alone can not bring it in and it would have to come from each one him self...

    Thanks for now...
    Just to add to what you said.... Stan also said that these system wil have to be rigged up by an individual in one day..(do''nt remember where i read this ..may be in his dealership manual) these are some of his proto-Scientifc protocals which have practical implications..i'm sure..
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