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  1. #621
    I would bet that the water vapour at least partially absorbed the heat energy of combustion to cause that. That's good because if the VW engine was air cooled, the better combustion might've melted it. (that's why water injection was used in WWII bomber engines.)
    The vapour is collected and steamed off by engine oil at operating temp...but the water vapour also spreads the surface area of the hydrocarbons in the fuel out so more of it is exposed to spark for easier/fuller combustion. this is why in northern climates, ethanol is included in gasoline- in cooler weather, the hydrophyllic alcohol (yes it has a higher octane rating too, but it burns so slowly) absorbs any condensation in the tank...and tank supply goes to engine for burning and the cycle completes.
    Surely you've noticed better fuel economy in the humid Pacific Northwest than in drier climates ? (atmospheric pressure at or near sea level has something to do with it too - more air, less fuel... that's why vehicles have included MAP sensors for a while)
    Last edited by heysoundude; 10-25-2016 at 02:49 PM.

  2. #622
    Hello guys,

    I have ordered 10 new 2kv 2a diodes from china. For now the plasma system is off and only running on the MSD 5520.
    I have an water/ HHO injection on the motor also, its called aquatune http://www.aquatune.com/index.php/pr...uatune-plus-hb and i ve made a fuel heater.
    What i found out, is that the cap for cleaning the aquatune was missing.... so all the time i was pulling a lot of air under the carb. Also with the plasma system.
    What i noticed, i was running lean on main jet #47 (instead of standard #55). So the motor run great, but with accelaration it was too lean. I made the aquatune and give it some HHO/water and the car is running very good. So the water/hho injection makes the differance from to lean in accelaration to running perfect. Temp dropped also.
    So now, replace the diodes for cilinder 6 and lets test the plasma then

    @Aaron, you asked:Are your plug cables suitable for capacitive discharge? You have to find out because this is important.
    I have now idea, i just used solid copper wire with a silicon isolator, no resistance. The plasma spark is good, and with some water you can hear the bang.

    @heysoundude: you sad, the V8 was made to take some gas. Indeed, but its also the best motor to tune for 100 or 200 miles per gallon Check http://fuel-efficient-vehicles.org/e...s/?page_id=787 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqKEQLBg6a8

    P.s. Did you guys see this, its without water or fuel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNSAXbZfnbE and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5PYzGgHx14

    Keeping you folks updated.
    Last edited by Co-Creator; 10-29-2016 at 02:59 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Co-Creator View Post
    Hello guys,

    I have ordered 10 new 2kv 2a diodes from china. For now the plasma system is off and only running on the MSD 5520.
    I have an water/ HHO injection on the motor also, its called aquatune http://www.aquatune.com/index.php/pr...uatune-plus-hb and i ve made a fuel heater.
    What i found out, is that the cap for cleaning the aquatune was missing.... so all the time i was pulling a lot of air under the carb. Also with the plasma system.
    What i noticed, i was running lean on main jet #47 (instead of standard #55). So the motor run great, but with accelaration it was too lean. I made the aquatune and give it some HHO/water and the car is running very good. So the water/hho injection makes the differance from to lean in accelaration to running perfect. Temp dropped also.
    So now, replace the diodes for cilinder 6 and lets test the plasma then

    @Aaron, you asked:Are your plug cables suitable for capacitive discharge? You have to find out because this is important.
    I have now idea, i just used solid copper wire with a silicon isolator, no resistance. The plasma spark is good, and with some water you can hear the bang.

    @heysoundude: you sad, the V8 was made to take some gas. Indeed, but its also the best motor to tune for 100 or 200 miles per gallon Check http://fuel-efficient-vehicles.org/e...s/?page_id=787 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqKEQLBg6a8

    P.s. Did you guys see this, its without water or fuel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNSAXbZfnbE and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5PYzGgHx14

    Keeping you folks updated.
    I'm familiar with aquatune, but have never used it myself.

    Do you know what your temp drop is with just aquatune and normal msd?

    Normally, cap discharge is not for solid core wires. But did you create your own cables? In the past, I have created my own with refrigerator copper tubing pushed inside of a clear vinyl tubing - this I believe is fine for cap discharge but not normal solid core wires.

    I'll check out the vids.

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    I just received my EGT probe/meter for my Datsun. I'll have to drill a hole into my exhaust manifold to mount it, but I need that for accurate temp change recordings. Also got a new tachometer and vacuum gauge for the experiments.
    Aaron Murakami





    You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. ― Richard Buckminster Fuller

  4. #624
    Hello Aaron,

    I made the plug wires myself and used silicone wire like this https://www.conrad.nl/nl/faber-kabel...r-1301157.html
    So it is twisted copper wire with an silicone isolator.

    Today i tested all 10 diodes of 20kv 2A, with a 9V battery. 5 diodes are broken!
    I will wait for my new 10 diodes and replace the 5, but if they keep breaking then i will have to string i guess.
    All your banggoods diodes are good Aaron?
    I just notice i placed the diodes like in you film timemark 32:19 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqNVH6LM4W0
    But the diodes must be in opposite direction??? Thats why i broke the diodes? Maybe your diodes are still good and you can turn them before they fail.


    Here is a test on the diodes from a german guy, puts 14kv on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBWUF9vMyJI

    Greets
    Last edited by Co-Creator; 11-07-2016 at 04:23 AM.
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    My Setup:
    Jeep Wagoneer V8 5.9L (360) 1979
    Standard Motorcraft 2150 2bbl carb
    Main jets size #55 stock
    Eagle Research Carb Enhancer
    Water and HHO injection with Aquatune HB plus
    MSD CDI 5520 street fire
    NGK spark plugs BP7ES(non-resistor) with sidegapping and 1.5mm gap
    Flametrower III canister ignition coil
    8x 20KV 2A PRHVP2A-20 High Voltage Rectifier Diode
    Granatelli Zero resistor spark plug wires

  5. #625
    Hey Aaron.

    I saw your latest ignition video and it all looks great and looking forward to seeing how that system will perform.
    Please be advised that I am still considering many possibilities with this type of system.
    I am interested in other avenues of exploration but I certainly have not abandoned this avenue.

    In fact; I recently acquired a cheap 1979 ford van with standard carburetor and ignition which should serve well for these experiments and tests.

    1979FordAmbulance.jpg

    I still have a generator on the bench with plasma ignition system ready to go and since I am experiencing difficulty obtaining materials for the current experiment; I am now working on this project a little more and also thinking about vehicle conversions so; I am very interested in what you are doing especially in terms of reliability because this is a concern. Systems do need to be practical so need to ensure things like long lasting plugs and reliable diodes can be obtained and used.

    Do you foresee any longevity issues with these diodes being used in this manner?
    I do see a previous discussion about diode failures but not sure if this is a quality, rating or application issue or merely an installation issue.

    One of the challenges of these experiments is proper analysis of what the engine is actually doing.
    Yes, exhaust gas temperature monitoring is good but if we are still relying on fuels such as gasoline or alcohol; how do we know what is actually happening with efficiency and emissions?

    An exhaust gas analyzer would be nice and if trying to compare efficiency by way of mileage; seem like this would take a lot of road trips...

    At any rate; this is where I am at and thank you again for sharing.

    Kindest regards;

    }:>

    PS: Who sells Barium Ferrite bar magnets anymore? Please do tell. . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Co-Creator View Post
    Hello Aaron,

    I made the plug wires myself and used silicone wire like this https://www.conrad.nl/nl/faber-kabel...r-1301157.html
    So it is twisted copper wire with an silicone isolator.

    Today i tested all 10 diodes of 20kv 2A, with a 9V battery. 5 diodes are broken!
    I will wait for my new 10 diodes and replace the 5, but if they keep breaking then i will have to string i guess.
    All your banggoods diodes are good Aaron?
    I just notice i placed the diodes like in you film timemark 32:19 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqNVH6LM4W0
    But the diodes must be in opposite direction??? Thats why i broke the diodes? Maybe your diodes are still good and you can turn them before they fail.


    Here is a test on the diodes from a german guy, puts 14kv on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBWUF9vMyJI

    Greets
    I have my diodes reversed because the HV output of my coil is negative so cathode points to the + of the primary of ignition coil (pos of cap).

    If you have HV positive from coil, then anode must touch the + of primary of ignition coil (pos of cap).
    Aaron Murakami





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    Quote Originally Posted by Scorch View Post
    Hey Aaron.

    I saw your latest ignition video and it all looks great and looking forward to seeing how that system will perform.
    Please be advised that I am still considering many possibilities with this type of system.
    I am interested in other avenues of exploration but I certainly have not abandoned this avenue.

    In fact; I recently acquired a cheap 1979 ford van with standard carburetor and ignition which should serve well for these experiments and tests.



    I still have a generator on the bench with plasma ignition system ready to go and since I am experiencing difficulty obtaining materials for the current experiment; I am now working on this project a little more and also thinking about vehicle conversions so; I am very interested in what you are doing especially in terms of reliability because this is a concern. Systems do need to be practical so need to ensure things like long lasting plugs and reliable diodes can be obtained and used.

    Do you foresee any longevity issues with these diodes being used in this manner?
    I do see a previous discussion about diode failures but not sure if this is a quality, rating or application issue or merely an installation issue.

    One of the challenges of these experiments is proper analysis of what the engine is actually doing.
    Yes, exhaust gas temperature monitoring is good but if we are still relying on fuels such as gasoline or alcohol; how do we know what is actually happening with efficiency and emissions?

    An exhaust gas analyzer would be nice and if trying to compare efficiency by way of mileage; seem like this would take a lot of road trips...

    At any rate; this is where I am at and thank you again for sharing.

    Kindest regards;

    }:>

    PS: Who sells Barium Ferrite bar magnets anymore? Please do tell. . .
    I really don't think the diodes are the issue. Not sure why Co-Creator is having the diode issues. These big diodes have always been very reliable for me.

    Plugs on the other hand, I still have to test those Performance X iridium non resistor plugs.

    For emissions, if it runs properly with lower temps being leaned out, thermal efficiency is up and emissions have to be down.

    For tuning the air/fuel ratio, I recently received my Colortune plug from the UK. Has a transparent part around the electrode so you can actually see the color of the combustion in the engine. If too red, then too rich, tuned properly for 14.7:1 is a lighter blue color so you can just adjust the carb based on the color you see. For more lean, I'm guessing it will be even lighter blue, but if compensated with plasma, can probably lean it out more and still get the same color of combustion - I don't know but am getting all the tools to test it out.

    I have a friend about an hour away who has a 5 gas analyzer. Haven't talked to him in a while, but if he is still there, I can probably drive there to get the emissions tested all I want. And, can test gas mileage on the way to his home.
    Aaron Murakami





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    Ok Thanks Aaron,

    I think i made a fault with the polarity. Because you have good results with the diodes.
    The first time i hooked up the diodes i was using an TFI E-coil. With this coil the 5 diodes failed. Now i have the standard canister coil.
    Thanks for the info, maybe there is a relation with failing diodes and polarity of the coils.
    I will check the polarity this way:
    TM-5-4210-230-14P-1_546_3.jpg
    Nosce te Ipsum

    My Setup:
    Jeep Wagoneer V8 5.9L (360) 1979
    Standard Motorcraft 2150 2bbl carb
    Main jets size #55 stock
    Eagle Research Carb Enhancer
    Water and HHO injection with Aquatune HB plus
    MSD CDI 5520 street fire
    NGK spark plugs BP7ES(non-resistor) with sidegapping and 1.5mm gap
    Flametrower III canister ignition coil
    8x 20KV 2A PRHVP2A-20 High Voltage Rectifier Diode
    Granatelli Zero resistor spark plug wires

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    Quote Originally Posted by Co-Creator View Post
    Ok Thanks Aaron,

    I think i made a fault with the polarity. Because you have good results with the diodes.
    The first time i hooked up the diodes i was using an TFI E-coil. With this coil the 5 diodes failed. Now i have the standard canister coil.
    Thanks for the info, maybe there is a relation with failing diodes and polarity of the coils.
    I will check the polarity this way:
    TM-5-4210-230-14P-1_546_3.jpg
    Word of Caution... !!! DO NOT CHECK THE DIODES THE WAY YOU HAVE SHOWN..THEY WILL FAIL FOR SURE..A SOLID STATE DEVICE IN SERIES WITH A SPARK GAP IS UNDER MOST STRESS AND WILL PUNCTURE THE DEPLETION LAYER CAPACITANCE DESTROYING IT..
    Rgds,
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    'Wisdom comes from living out of the knowledge.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faraday88 View Post
    Word of Caution... !!! DO NOT CHECK THE DIODES THE WAY YOU HAVE SHOWN..THEY WILL FAIL FOR SURE..A SOLID STATE DEVICE IN SERIES WITH A SPARK GAP IS UNDER MOST STRESS AND WILL PUNCTURE THE DEPLETION LAYER CAPACITANCE DESTROYING IT..
    Rgds,
    Faraday88.
    That pencil method is really only to check the polarity of the coil. Once polarity is known, then you know what direction to place the diodes.
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