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    Thanks Scorch, here's my own update...



    Just got this 1977 Datsun 620 pickup. Has about 100 miles on a rebuilt engine - L20B 4 cylinder with a Weber carb.

    So far only put in non-resistor plugs and a Pertronix Flame Thrower coil with 0.3 ohms on the primary.

    I'm waiting for my Granatelli non-resistor cables - plasma discharge will bypass the cables and go to the top of the plugs but I want every bit of spark I'm paying for.

    Just got a MSD factory refurbished unit that I'll put on soon - still have to put on a new emergency brake cable system first before I do much else.

    Been wanting an old engine like this to experiment on because I'm tired of the electronics - can't get any simpler than this.

    Will be adding an HHO cell and other goodies as time permits. Will post whatever results when I have them good or bad.
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    Hey Aaron.

    Yay! An old school drive train where you can actually see the engine under the hood.

    And I am reminded of the world's fastest electric, street legal car which is also a Datsun.


    This is a great acquisition with manual transmission and a perfect test bed for these experiments.

    And after you get it running on water; you can always convert to electric to get rid of all that mechanical complication and run it on source field energy.

    Kindest regards;

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron Murakami View Post
    Thanks Scorch, here's my own update...

    Just got this 1977 Datsun 620 pickup. Has about 100 miles on a rebuilt engine - L20B 4 cylinder with a Weber carb. . .

    . . . Been wanting an old engine like this to experiment on because I'm tired of the electronics - can't get any simpler than this.

    Will be adding an HHO cell and other goodies as time permits. Will post whatever results when I have them good or bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron Murakami View Post
    Thanks Scorch, here's my own update...



    Just got this 1977 Datsun 620 pickup. Has about 100 miles on a rebuilt engine - L20B 4 cylinder with a Weber carb.

    So far only put in non-resistor plugs and a Pertronix Flame Thrower coil with 0.3 ohms on the primary.

    I'm waiting for my Granatelli non-resistor cables - plasma discharge will bypass the cables and go to the top of the plugs but I want every bit of spark I'm paying for.

    Just got a MSD factory refurbished unit that I'll put on soon - still have to put on a new emergency brake cable system first before I do much else.

    Been wanting an old engine like this to experiment on because I'm tired of the electronics - can't get any simpler than this.

    Will be adding an HHO cell and other goodies as time permits. Will post whatever results when I have them good or bad.


    Hello Aaron,

    I followed your work now for a couple of days here from Holland VERRY nice work!!!
    Here in Holland the MSD 5520 Street Fire is around 220 euros. What do you think about the Velleman DIY K2543 kit, ITS 15 euro And then in combination with your 20kv Diode?

    Here is a link: http://www.velleman.eu/products/view/?id=8946
    Here somebody with the same car as you and with the Velleman K2543 kit
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ1TAlR7eqk

    I have and oldtimer JEEP WAGONEER 1979 with a V8 AMC 360 5.9L. I want to make the car with a better milage. For now i have installed a self made FUEL HEATER, and a FUEL VAPORIZER. But the biggest bang is the ignition i tink. I also installed a Water injection of Aquatune http://www.aquatune.com/, but i am not jet impressed.
    I have also made a VORTEX GROOVE, just after the trottle valve, and thats very nice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-2xnWUeDTA

    Hope to here from ya!
    Cheers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Co-Creator View Post
    Hello Aaron,

    I followed your work now for a couple of days here from Holland VERRY nice work!!!
    Here in Holland the MSD 5520 Street Fire is around 220 euros. What do you think about the Velleman DIY K2543 kit, ITS 15 euro And then in combination with your 20kv Diode?

    Here is a link: http://www.velleman.eu/products/view/?id=8946
    Here somebody with the same car as you and with the Velleman K2543 kit
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ1TAlR7eqk

    I have and oldtimer JEEP WAGONEER 1979 with a V8 AMC 360 5.9L. I want to make the car with a better milage. For now i have installed a self made FUEL HEATER, and a FUEL VAPORIZER. But the biggest bang is the ignition i tink. I also installed a Water injection of Aquatune http://www.aquatune.com/, but i am not jet impressed.
    I have also made a VORTEX GROOVE, just after the trottle valve, and thats very nice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-2xnWUeDTA

    Hope to here from ya!
    Cheers!
    Hi, that looks like a good little kit, but I don't believe that is actually a capacitive discharge ignition module. You need a capacitor that discharges to the primary of the ignition coil each time a plugs needs to get fired. Does that module actually do that?

    For vapor, look into the "white vapor" method. You can find references on youtube and google.

    I just got my 0 resistance Granatelli wires for my Datsun so will be putting them on and adding the MSD 5520 asap.
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    Hello Aaron,

    I think the K2543 module is for points only.
    The Granatelli wires are very expensive. In this aircraft document on page 6 they use regular RG400 Coax wire http://www.lightspeedengineering.com...l_20130317.pdf The RG400 wire is used much in aircraft ignition wires. In the document they also use CDI plasma ignition.
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    The have complete Plasma CDI unites http://lightspeedengineering.com/

    For the vapor part indeed the best are from Bill Kendrick
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_95v-Ap5esI

    and Bill

    https://www.youtube.com/user/charliechopchopman/videos
    Last edited by Co-Creator; 09-25-2016 at 04:15 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Co-Creator View Post
    Hello Aaron,

    I think the K2543 module is for points only.
    The Granatelli wires are very expensive. In this aircraft document on page 6 they use regular RG400 Coax wire http://www.lightspeedengineering.com...l_20130317.pdf The RG400 wire is used much in aircraft ignition wires. In the document they also use CDI plasma ignition.


    The have complete Plasma CDI unites http://lightspeedengineering.com/

    For the vapor part indeed the best are from Bill Kendrick
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_95v-Ap5esI

    and Bill

    https://www.youtube.com/user/charliechopchopman/videos
    That could be a good idea to use coax for plug cables - I've never tried. I have used copper refrigerator tubing inserted into vinyl tubing.

    That Lightspeed CDI is a normal CDI (not a plasma ignition). Technically, even a regular spark from a coil is plasma, but it's not the ultra fast plasma impulse that you get when you do it my way.

    The Lightspeed CDI is 135 mj, which is pretty good, but only up to 3500 rpm so looks like it is made for low rpm motors if that is typical for the aircraft motor.

    I recommend this for most simple applications https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...SIN=B001O28622
    It is only about $150 delivered on Amazon prime. It's about 89 mj per discharge, but is plenty, especially when using diodes to turn it into a plasma ignition. The plasma grows with air forced on it so you have to account for that and you don't want the plasma too big. So 89 mj at a high speed discharge is about right.

    If you haven't gotten the Ignition Secrets package, I'd recommend getting it http://ignitionsecrets.com - otherwise, read all the posts in Energetic Forum on the old "Water Sparkplug" threads.

    The Granatelli wires I got for the L20B engine in the Datsun were $70 delivered. That is a pretty good deal. Depending on the type of plug boots you need like any deep well plugs like on DOHC, Boxer Engines, etc... whatever, those will add to the costs. If it's an older car where the plugs are sticking out, those are smaller and less expensive boots. But for the time it would take to custom make the plug cables, $70 was a bargain especially when that included shipping. The Granatelli ones also have a ferrite ring around the cables to restrict RF interference. For example, they won't mess with OBDII computers, etc... I don't have to worry about that, but a lot of the paranoia out there about non-resistor ignition systems is not totally justified.

    Anyway, looking forward to seeing your progress with this.
    Aaron Murakami





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    Hello Aaron,

    Thank you for your advice. Since you know a lot off electronics. Did you ever consider how Tesla drove his care on free EM waves?
    This article is very interesting Nikola Tesla proved in 1931 that we don’t need any gasoline whatsoever to power our cars. http://presscore.ca/nikola-tesla-pro...ur-automobiles

    I hope many people will crack this code, how to replicate the tesla car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Co-Creator View Post
    Hello Aaron,

    Thank you for your advice. Since you know a lot off electronics. Did you ever consider how Tesla drove his care on free EM waves?
    This article is very interesting Nikola Tesla proved in 1931 that we don’t need any gasoline whatsoever to power our cars. http://presscore.ca/nikola-tesla-pro...ur-automobiles

    I hope many people will crack this code, how to replicate the tesla car.
    Almost everything about Tesla's Pierce Arrow has been misinformation to date. There doesn't seem to be anything credible regarding it.
    Aaron Murakami





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    Hello Aaron,

    I have bought the MSD 5520. I am very interested in your development with the MSD CDI and the Datsun.
    This weekend ive made my power generator on cold gas vapor with a jar. The generator runs much better. The only thing is, if you have a liter of gas and make it a vapor, you are left with about 10% of gasoline which will not become a vapor. I think the oil companies put something in there.

    A solution to this problem is to use the plasma ignition, i think for all the people the knowlegde should be open-source. I like to help the people and i am not into profit.

    My question to you is, when i use the plasma ignition, MSC CDI with diodes, what must be changed for the best milage. I think ignition timing must be retarded and the biggest change must be the main jets.
    When i use this system i dont need to make the gasoline a vapor, the plasma will ignite the liquid gas very good. So i must use much smaller main jets.

    Second question is, how to bypass the distributor? The plasma must not go trough it i recon? So for my V8 i need 8 20kv 2A diodes and connect it bypassing the distributor?

    Thank you for your perception.
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    I finished the plasma on the Datsun and will post a video soon.

    I put everything about the plasma in the Water Sparkplug thread on Energetic Forum years ago. It's free to you can go look through it.

    However, if anyone wants a compilation that is organized where you don't have to filter out unnecessary messages, etc... then they can purchase my book/video package on http://ignitionsecrets.com

    You can delay timing closer to TDC since the plasma impulse is so much faster.

    It's up to you how to you want to use it in relation to your fuel.

    If the capacitor is directed to the top of the plugs thru the diodes then the distributor is bypassed.



    Quote Originally Posted by Co-Creator View Post
    Hello Aaron,

    I have bought the MSD 5520. I am very interested in your development with the MSD CDI and the Datsun.
    This weekend ive made my power generator on cold gas vapor with a jar. The generator runs much better. The only thing is, if you have a liter of gas and make it a vapor, you are left with about 10% of gasoline which will not become a vapor. I think the oil companies put something in there.

    A solution to this problem is to use the plasma ignition, i think for all the people the knowlegde should be open-source. I like to help the people and i am not into profit.

    My question to you is, when i use the plasma ignition, MSC CDI with diodes, what must be changed for the best milage. I think ignition timing must be retarded and the biggest change must be the main jets.
    When i use this system i dont need to make the gasoline a vapor, the plasma will ignite the liquid gas very good. So i must use much smaller main jets.

    Second question is, how to bypass the distributor? The plasma must not go trough it i recon? So for my V8 i need 8 20kv 2A diodes and connect it bypassing the distributor?

    Thank you for your perception.
    Aaron Murakami





    “You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.” ― Richard Buckminster Fuller

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