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    Hey Aaron. Thank you for the product links.

    I think I will obtain the 60Kv version since it's a 'dry' coil that will bolt right up without changing any mounting or wire connections.
    Haven't done much of anything for quite some time now due to other other priorities and distractions around here.

    I did acquire some parts to perform some testing of the HHO system such as a graduated beaker to measure output volume and a torch made for HHO to test quality of gas which is needed because a high volume of output is not necessarily a usable gas if the output is just a lot of steam...

    And this is where I am at now but still have several other projects that have been set off all winter that I really need to complete so I can move on to these other alternative energy experiments.
    And I do keep wondering if anybody else has actually been to able replicate a water engine system? Sure would like to see some new videos...

    Kindest regards;

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron Murakami View Post
    Awesome!

    For the coils, this canister type is 45kv: http://feelthevibe.com/amazon/B002Q363XM
    This type is 60kv: http://feelthevibe.com/amazon/B002Q2PKNM

    Both are 0.32 ohms primary from same company. I have both but haven't used the 60kv one yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron Murakami View Post
    You don't need an electrical background if you simply use an off the shelf CDI/MSD intended for or at least compatible with your engine. You simply hook that up based on the manufacturers diagram and then add the HV diodes in the correct place and that's it. Super simple on an analog ignition system.

    No plasma happens in the dist. cap. - it is bypassed and plasma only happens at the plugs.

    Most people have only bench tested it but a handful have put it on vehicles including myself. I put it on a EJ25 Subaru engine just to prove it can be done with a wasted spark ignition coil pack setup. I proved the point and then removed it because I'm not interested in doing a bunch of mods to get around the computer sabotage. One member of Energetic Forum Gmeast put it on his VW 1300cc Bug and got a 43% increase in mileage and about a 100F drop in temperature. He leaned out his carb, dripped water on his exhaust manifold and used a cowling to duct the steam into the intake. My interest is gas generator sets and not vehicles.

    The only way for the plasma to damage the engine is if the plasma is way to big - it grows bigger under compressed air so what you see on the bench gets bigger in an engine. That is why I only stick with the stock caps inside of off the shelf CDI/MSD units, which have fairly small capacitance caps to be able to be charged up at high speeds. I've make larger than golf ball size plasma bursts from a plug on the bench, but that is just to see what the possibilities were. That size plasma can run an engine just on water, but while destroying the engine at the same time. So again, stay with the caps in the off the shelf cdi/msd units.

    This is of course all at your own risk - I'm simply bringing this technology to the awareness of the public and can't be responsible for any damage.

    The only thing that will wear out quick are the plugs, they need to be non-resistor plugs and some last longer than others. I was just turned onto some iridium non resistor plugs and want to test those - might be the best plugs compatible with the plasma so far.

    12v into a coil will step up to a high voltage spark - with the MSD or CDI, it is several hundred volts stepped up into the coil instead of 12v so there is going to be an even higher spark voltage. That is what the capacitive discharge does so that is already covered. My method is using a cap discharge, while the antiquated method of doing the plasma was using a separate cap charger to simply put the cap in parallel with the spark gap. Mine is superior to that because you can just buy an off the shelf unit, you have a higher initiating voltage and it is more reliable especially if there are high compression high performance applications.

    The system is not a replacement for your mechanical points - those will still be used to tell the system when to fire.

    I don't know if you're engine is hard to start in the winter, but this plasma will start ethanol is sub freezing temps so with that being the case, it is probably the world's most reliable ignition for starting engines in cold temps. If it can do that with ethanol, gasoline is a non-issue in any temp.

    I hope that helps.
    Thank you. sir. Yes it does help.
    I will be purchasing your ebook to study carefully. I really appreciate you being here to answer questions. That adds immeasurably to your credibility.
    But two other points really caught my attention too ... the ability to run an engine on water and your interest in using it for gas generator systems.
    But I have to ask - what causes the engine to self-destruct when run on water? Is it that there is no equivalent to "octane" to slow the explosion so it just hammers the piston and bearings, or is it too hot and burns through the pistons? I can see the possibility of needing custom steel pistons if its just too hot, but I'd have to give it some thought as to how to slow down the explosion if that's the problem. Perhaps a custom hi-revving two stroke engine might help with that some... just thinking aloud and getting excited about the possibilities....

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    Quote Originally Posted by odSteve View Post
    Thank you. sir. Yes it does help.
    I will be purchasing your ebook to study carefully. I really appreciate you being here to answer questions. That adds immeasurably to your credibility.
    But two other points really caught my attention too ... the ability to run an engine on water and your interest in using it for gas generator systems.
    But I have to ask - what causes the engine to self-destruct when run on water? Is it that there is no equivalent to "octane" to slow the explosion so it just hammers the piston and bearings, or is it too hot and burns through the pistons? I can see the possibility of needing custom steel pistons if its just too hot, but I'd have to give it some thought as to how to slow down the explosion if that's the problem. Perhaps a custom hi-revving two stroke engine might help with that some... just thinking aloud and getting excited about the possibilities....
    if you have more of 'Parahydroxy' added to 'Orthohydroxy' you can slow down the explosion..Stanley Meyer did the opposite by adding non-combustible gases and Recycling the used Hydroxy gas to slow down the Burn rate of the hydroxy gas meant for heating purposes. Xogen power Inc. elaborates the procedure to produce the above two at will
    and so does Stan's Patent Voltage Wave guides for the Resonant Cavities to produce more Heat and less force(Explosion) and vice-versa.
    Rgds,
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    Quote Originally Posted by odSteve View Post
    Thank you. sir. Yes it does help.
    I will be purchasing your ebook to study carefully. I really appreciate you being here to answer questions. That adds immeasurably to your credibility.
    But two other points really caught my attention too ... the ability to run an engine on water and your interest in using it for gas generator systems.
    But I have to ask - what causes the engine to self-destruct when run on water? Is it that there is no equivalent to "octane" to slow the explosion so it just hammers the piston and bearings, or is it too hot and burns through the pistons? I can see the possibility of needing custom steel pistons if its just too hot, but I'd have to give it some thought as to how to slow down the explosion if that's the problem. Perhaps a custom hi-revving two stroke engine might help with that some... just thinking aloud and getting excited about the possibilities....
    Much of this quest was someone claiming to run a car on water, when looking at the convoluted diagram, it became apparent he was using the rectified AC output to jump across the spark gap to cause the plasma. I have no doubt he really did have a v8 running on water using that method. But that size plasma is so big it will explode pieces of metal from the plug and that will probably scratch up the cylinder lining, etc. Revizal was the first that I saw put the plasma on a bike engine and using nothing more than tap water, could get it to run for about 5-10 seconds. That plasma was also using caps much bigger than what you'd find in an off the shelf cdi/msd. That is the bigger problem compared to the pure detonation of the hydrogen shocking the engine.

    The only engine I know of suitable for detonation is Bourke Engine (free piston engine) - otherwise, detonation is no problem in a turbine or in a rocket fuel application.

    Nitrogen can slow the hydrogen explosion and that is what Meyer was doing - at minimum, read the description on http://waterfuelsecrets.com - lowers temp and flame speed so it burns more like gasoline. That is what makes hydrogen suitable for a normal piston engine.
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    I put a 60kv coil in my car and I cut the ground straps off the spark plugs and it still fires, been running it like that for a year and felt a noticeable increase it power. gap sits at 100 thousands

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    Hello from Greece.

    Here is my adventure in phases:

    1)Surface discharge spark plug.

    2322-2_zpsg3rlhnz3.jpg

    2)Plasma ignition. (I hope so).

    3)Running on fumes. (Only my generator, for the moment).

    4)?

    So, here is one of my video:

    NGK BUE, surface discharge, cold start.



    And here is my tribute to "groundless", (surface discharge), spark plug:
    http://www.4troxoi.gr/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=58492

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    My "running on fumes" generator:

    Last edited by Hellenic Vanagon; 06-23-2016 at 02:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellenic Vanagon View Post
    Hello from Greece.

    Here is my adventure in phases:

    1)Surface discharge spark plug.

    2322-2_zpsg3rlhnz3.jpg

    2)Plasma ignition. (I hope so).

    3)Running on fumes. (Only my generator, for the moment).

    4)?

    So, here is one of my video:

    NGK BUE, surface discharge, cold start.



    And here is my tribute to "groundless", (surface discharge), spark plug:
    http://www.4troxoi.gr/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=58492
    Hello Hellenic,
    Thanks for the demonstration!!!
    Rgds,
    Faraday88.
    'Wisdom comes from living out of the knowledge.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellenic Vanagon View Post
    My "running on fumes" generator:

    Hi Hellenic,

    did you mean to say that you are feeding the vent(exhaust) back into the Fuel tank and re-use the fuel several times..i remember seeing one such demonstration on internet in a public forum ( by Dennis Lee..i guess)..there is partial Vacuum formed in the fuel tank..need to watch that video again..
    Rgds,
    Faraday88.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faraday88 View Post
    Hello Hellenic,
    Thanks for the demonstration!!!
    Rgds,
    Faraday88.
    You are welcome.

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