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    Mutiple coils out of phase

    Hi all,

    Need some help here. I am cuious as to how......or is it possible to connect multiple coils (out of phase to the magnet arrangement) using the same input and same output? I hope I am asking this the correct way. I am asking this assuming that the magnets on the rotor are all equally spaced but the coils are not all equally spaced........and fire at different intervals from magnet to magnet.

    Any help would be appreciated. I have tried this but with no success. Electrical engineering is not my field of study.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Forrest View Post
    Hi all,

    Need some help here. I am cuious as to how......or is it possible to connect multiple coils (out of phase to the magnet arrangement) using the same input and same output? I hope I am asking this the correct way. I am asking this assuming that the magnets on the rotor are all equally spaced but the coils are not all equally spaced........and fire at different intervals from magnet to magnet.

    Any help would be appreciated. I have tried this but with no success. Electrical engineering is not my field of study.


    Bud
    Bud, we need a bit more explaination, what are you trying to do, genny coils?

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    Hi Tom,

    I was am concerned about hitting the battery with too much of a big spike. JB had once mentioned that one needs to be careful with how hard of a spike goes into the battery.........one that might cause a spark inside which would make for a very bad day. I can see this happening with a very large system.

    Is there a way to break this large spike up into say a three phase system? Three or more smaller spikes going into the battery instead of one huge one?

    Also yes to what you have said. How about a neg energy generator?

    Bud
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    Forrest,
    How big is the spike?
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    Hi John,

    At this time I do not know how to measure it. But I am sure somewhere along the way I may find out. Just want to avoid that time in my life if possible. I am sure you have had this happen or you would not have mentioned it. Just would like to avoid finding out if at all possible. Do you have any info to share here?

    How about a three phase neg energy generator? Is this how your three wheeler thirty coiler operated?

    Bud
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    Hi All,

    I know you are dying to know what has been going on so here is a sneak peek!

    http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/...psad5b7791.jpg

    http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/...ps01a648a3.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forrest View Post
    Hi All,

    I know you are dying to know what has been going on so here is a sneak peek!

    http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/...psad5b7791.jpg

    http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/...ps01a648a3.jpg

    Bud
    ok that is about 400 lbs of aluminum, what are you trying to do? that is a lot of mass to try and spin with a monopole circuit......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forrest View Post
    Hi John,

    At this time I do not know how to measure it. But I am sure somewhere along the way I may find out. Just want to avoid that time in my life if possible. I am sure you have had this happen or you would not have mentioned it. Just would like to avoid finding out if at all possible. Do you have any info to share here?

    How about a three phase neg energy generator? Is this how your three wheeler thirty coiler operated?

    Bud
    Bud,

    that 30 coiler was not Johns design, and no it was not 3 phase it was the equivilant of a 30 coil single output monopole. we need to be careful here about phases and cycles. monopoles are not AC devices, they are pulsed DC and they co not correspond to AC equivalants in terms of HZ. if you want AC you need a 3 phase wound armature. with alternating north and south magnets to create the sine wave.
    Tom C

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    Tom,

    Thanks for the info. I do understand that the monopoles are not ac devises. Just that I do not know any other way to explain breaking up the output spikes.

    Bud
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forrest View Post
    Tom,

    Thanks for the info. I do understand that the monopoles are not ac devises. Just that I do not know any other way to explain breaking up the output spikes.

    Bud
    so you want to fire the coils independently of each other? or do you want to fire the coils sequentially to create "3" pulse trains coming off the device? sounds like you want to wire the coils, say 9 coils in threes around the rotor... if you do not want them to fire at the same time, then the magnets and rotor need to be spaced a certain way, or you could use a precessional arrangement wher ethe coil and magnet numbers do not match. the SG runs at 50 percent duty cycle, so you will need multiple rotors timed differently...... precessional rotors require more circuitry and triggers for each coil.

    so any chance you could put up a drawing of what the finished machine will look like
    Tom C


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