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    Quote Originally Posted by 888spo View Post
    Dane, Gary have you experimented with HHO?

    D./
    The local technical college I was a part time teacher I guess youd call it bought one of the diy setups online. We installed it on a 88 buick 3.8. I dont have the info in front of me... We put something like 80 miles on the car for before\after tests. The car surprisingly ran a lot worse with this particular HHO setup. Im my opinion a lot of it had to due with the kit we used I will try to dig that info up later today and give you specifics on what kit we used and the results.

    The hho gas seemed to reak havoc withe the map sensor. I have a lot info on hho setups and do plan to build my own to test on both older cars and computer controlled vehicles. The set up would have worked better if I was able to modify the map sensor and computer prom. The owner of the car was unwilling to take it that far.
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    Ok I was able to dig up some info on the test we ran. The system came from water4gas.com. To correct my above statment it confused the O2 sensor readings not the MAP sensor. I wanted to try and play with the map sensor to compensate. The end results the car dropped 2mpg. I believe this to be because of the inefficiency of our setup. There seemed to be to much moisture flowing with the hho gas. To me it proved the concept. There was a gas flowing from the device that the engine would burn. I will not ever buy the setups advertised but I will eventually build my own setup. At some point this weekend I have some good info on hho that I will upload to share.

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    Hi all!

    My name is Alex, i always was interested in kind of weird science.
    My origin country is Ukraine, but since professional opportunities are much better in west Europe, i travel with my whole family to Germany.
    I started to "work" on SSG since my german school (during my preparation for general qualification for university entrance ) , that was parallel to my apprenticeship for IT specialist.
    Currently i am student at the University and "working" for getting the B.A. in Computer Science.

    Here is my youtube channel:



    I strongly believe ,that time invested in research and development for SSG will pay off, because our current economic crisis will not go off so easily.
    Anyway i am very happy that SSG group getting better communication platform
    Almost forgotten, due to my language skills sometimes i "work" with peoples from soviet union to give them the understanding about SSG.
    Last edited by BEDINSSGUKRAINE; 08-04-2012 at 02:41 AM.

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    Hi Dane,

    Sounds similar to the EFIE device that George Wiseman sells, I bought two a few yrs. soldered it them up and hooked it up to my O2 sensors the HHO cell i built was pretty crude it produced in and around 2lpm of ho gas. The problem i kept on having was the plates would constantly produce a brown particulars eventually shorting my cell and blowing fuses. Folks told me it was the way i cleaned/conditioned my plates... when it was working optimally i was recording between 15-25% savings on my Land Cruiser, but lots of up keep with cleaning water... haven't gone back to it since. Was just wondering if anyone else on these forums is experimenting with it and getting good results and maybe using different plate material.

    Tks. for looking/

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    Hello,

    I see that Ron Hatton, of Gadgetman Groove was at this year's Bedini/Lindemann conference. I had Ron work his magic on my 2010 Toyota Prius about a year ago. He knew that my interest was more for power than milage so he grooved my throttle body accordingly. I must say that my Prius runs like it has a nice V-6 under the hood instead of the wind-up motor it came with. My gas milage goes up if I don't use the power (I've had it a s high as 67 MPG, but my normal is around 43), but then I'm always juicing the gas for more go. To help the car keep up with the added power I put on a set of Bridgestone Potenza RE960 Pole Position tires. They are a lot of fun! Did anyone else get a chance to have Ron work on their car at the conference?

    Cheers,

    Karl

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    Hi Karl,

    Prius muscle car, who would have thought Sounds like your getting more low end torque? I didn't attend the conference but am curious about any sensor mods the groove needs to work properly. Outside of the TB groove did any sensor mods take place?

    Enjoy your Prius Ver. 2.0

    D./

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    Hi 888spo,

    I did not make any sensor changes for the Groove...per se. There are two other small changes I did. I did some air intake blocking in the air filter box. This means that I used some corrugated cardboard pieces which covered over about 40% of the pre-filter side of the air filter. The cardboard is actually two pieces; each piece goes completely across the filter from side-to-side and then down the side edges for stability ( I hope that makes sense!). Imagine the air filter surface separated into three equal sections, the cardboard covers the top and bottom section so the air can flow through the central section. The other item I did is a bit left of center, ahem. Ah, now I don't recommend this, of course, but I by-passed the PCV valve to allow the Groove to work more smoothly and accurately. I am looking to boost the power even more as long as my mileage doesn't go below 40 mpg. The better tires is an absolute must! All the juice needs to be controlled in the turns. My previous car was a Saab 93 turbo, which I really enjoyed. But I like my Prius even more!

    Cheers,

    Karl

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    you folks might want to have a look at the gadgetman groove modification for your throttlebody. Quite a few people are seeing quite interesting results from that groove. I'm more of a motorcycle guy where we don't find butterfly valves on the intake (at least not mine) but if you do have one, it may be interesting to familiarize yourself with it.

    No I don't know him myself or have stockshares of his company but I do understand what this little groove is about. Reduce Emissions with the Gadgetman Groove

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    Hi Gary,Your photos are very interesting. How does drawing the intake air through the crank case work? Interesting to say the least. thanks,ken

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    Hi Ken,

    Thanks.

    The crankcase has one way inlet valves and one way outlet valves to pump a full cylinder volume of air every revolution into a common reservior. In a four cycle engine the intake into the combustion side of the cylinder occurs only every other revolution. So the underside of the piston is really pumping two cylinder volumes of air into the combustion chamber on each intake event. This translates into a positive displacement, internally supercharged engine with the crankcase becoming the supercharger. No external drive or exhaust back pressure is involved. All the power robbed from the back side of the piston goes directly into compressing the charge with no further losses!

    Other benefits include the capture and reuse of piston blowby, and preheating of the intake charge for better fuel vaporization. Everthing worked as planned in my prototype engine, except for the air/oil separator I made. I ran out of time and money before I was able to come up with an effective separator that didn't produce excessive restriction to the air flow. I have several ideas on how to overcome this obstacle, and other people in other countries, have also come up with effective separators in similar engine designs.

    I also have some other "radical" ideas that could be incorporated into this design to make the separator unnecessary!
    Gary Hammond,

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