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  1. #21
    I've completed the North only seperate wheel.
    Doing some testing with the wheel a 9mm airgap has the best results.
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  2. #22
    Testing the north out wheel has varied results.
    Primary draw has been fairy constant which has been good at an estimated 4-4.5ah.
    Secondary output has been all over the place without rhyme or reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuis View Post
    ...Secondary output has been all over the place without rhyme or reason.
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    My experience with radiant over the years has been that it modifies the secondary battery's (batteries') performance/discharge curve. The batteries become, in a sense, addicted to the radiant charge. This radiant charge appears to modify and push the Ah capacity to a higher level, though a higher charge voltage level is required to give comparable results. This may be the case in this instance.

    Some maintain that a constant radiant charge regime ruins the battery, however the astute experimenter will note a shift in the overall Ah discharge curve. The max charge voltage value will increase slowly to over 16 v. Charging the end battery in this mode will then yield inconsistent results when the charge voltage is abruptly cut off well below the modified max voltage value.

    Perhaps you are aware of this funky radiant/battery behavior, if so just ignore my meanderings above.

    As per Mr. Murphy, there also may be some other issues that are helping to create this inconsistency...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaro1776 View Post
    My experience with radiant over the years has been that it modifies the secondary battery's (batteries') performance/discharge curve. The batteries become, in a sense, addicted to the radiant charge. This radiant charge appears to modify and push the Ah capacity to a higher level, though a higher charge voltage level is required to give comparable results. This may be the case in this instance.

    Some maintain that a constant radiant charge regime ruins the battery, however the astute experimenter will note a shift in the overall Ah discharge curve. The max charge voltage value will increase slowly to over 16 v. Charging the end battery in this mode will then yield inconsistent results when the charge voltage is abruptly cut off well below the modified max voltage value.

    Perhaps you are aware of this funky radiant/battery behavior, if so just ignore my meanderings above.

    As per Mr. Murphy, there also may be some other issues that are helping to create this inconsistency...
    A rest time to the batteries(periods between charge -use -rest- charge -use) also seem to alter the battery in constructive sense.
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  5. #25
    I put a super capacitor across the primary to help it out a bit.
    The primary drew more power but im guessing this is because the machine can actually draw as much as it wishes now.
    I will replace it with an electrolytic type to get rid of the balancing circuitry in the super cap.
    Secondary discharge was again inconsistant ruling out the primary source as the issue.
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    12.15V
    Last edited by Deuis; 09-28-2018 at 04:21 AM.
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    Hi JD,

    Quick question - after the above individual tests were the resting voltages for the charged secondary batteries the same value or were there marked differences?
    Last edited by Yaro1776; 09-29-2018 at 04:36 AM. Reason: clarification
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  7. #27
    Yaro,

    I dont really have specific resting data but I can give you starting voltages of the load test.
    I havent focused on battery chemistry yet.

    Starting voltages are as follows.
    1. 11.524, 4.553ah
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    2. 11.781, 3.736ah
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    3. 11.6, 7.32ah
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  8. #28
    Some more data.
    Im running the machine at about 3.3ah.
    First secondary discharge was 4.43ah.
    Second discharge was 7.32ah while running 3 generator coils lighting up 120 LED's.

    I'm doing some more testing with generator coils with some positive results.
    Anyone out there with a good generator coil and specs to share?
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  9. #29
    23awg 8 filar coil.
    2 Transistors for 4 drive coils.
    1 diode for 4 recovery coils.
    Load 20 LED's 3.5w @24V
    12mm air gap.

    Parallel Recovery windings.
    Transistor on capacitor is at 54.2V Open circuit.
    Transistor off capacitor is at 19.6 Open circuit.
    When transistors are firing the wheel speeds up 3rpm. maintains 9.9V across LED's. (not bright)

    Series Recovery windings.
    Transistor on - capacitor is 113V Open circuit.
    maintains 24V across 20 LED's.
    Transistor off - Capacitor 48.8V Open
    9.8V across LEDS.

    Reverse Polarity series recovery windings.
    Transistor on - cap is 68.6V Open.
    Maintains 18.8V across LED's under load.
    Transistor off - Cap 30.2V Open
    10V across white LEDS.

    Parallel series combination Recovery windings.
    Transistor on - Cap 88.4V
    Maintains 17V across white leds under load

    Transistor off - Cap 36.7V
    maintains 7.9V across white leds under load.

    Having the recovery windings inside the drive coils leads to a far higher flux exposure than just the direct generator coil.
    3 generator coils of identical windings with a 2mm air gap was able to light the LED's to 24V.
    This also lost 70 of 530rpms.
    I have not determined how much power has made the secondary battery.
    Last edited by Deuis; 10-30-2018 at 02:15 AM.
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