Bedini RPX Sideband Generator

* NEW * BEDINI RPX BOOK & DVD SET: BEDINI RPX


2019 ESTC ALL SEATS SOLD OUT!
PRE-REGISTER FOR THE
2020 ENERGY CONFERENCE

Monero XMR

Page 4 of 4 FirstFirst ... 234
Results 31 to 38 of 38

Thread: Charging 3 105 AH batteries with SSG

  1. #31
    Senior Member Faraday88's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    Bangaluru, Karnataka, India
    Posts
    1,513
    Quote Originally Posted by John_Koorn View Post
    I'd always suggest the C20 charge/discharge rate if you can. You can get away with pushing it harder every now and then but for a deep cycle I'd never push it harder than C10.

    Remember that heat is your enemy. Heat = wasted energy and shorter lifetime. Keep it cool, keep it forever

    As for your "interesting behaviour", I've seen that too. I have no idea if it's a by-product of radiant charging. I've usually put it down to loading the battery too hard at the start.

    John K.
    Thanks JK for the clarification.
    Rgds,
    Faraday88.
    ‘Mass is the Spatial density of Matter (Particle) and the Temporal Intensity of Space (Field)’.

  2. #32
    Networking Architect Aaron Murakami's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Spokane, Washington
    Posts
    1,400
    Blog Entries
    1
    Quote Originally Posted by Faraday88 View Post
    Thanks JK! How fast and safey can we Radiantly charge the Battery? suppose its a100Ah battery (deep cycle flodded) consideringa de-rating factor and effective capacity of 96Ah and say a rate of C5 charging and discharge rate of 5hr (19.2A Load current). is that the maximum one can go?
    Also, I have seen an interesting behavior with the SG charged battery.. A fully charged Battery when subjected to the load dips down in the terminal Voltage very fast up to a point and then starts to rise up from there and kind of oscillate in this fashion. Now, is'nt that a characteristic to the Radiant Kind of Charging?
    Rgds,
    Faraday88.
    What kind of load are you talking about? Inductive or resistive? The radiant charged batteries work phenomenally well with resistive loads. They can sometimes act goofy with inductive loads.

    But like John said, most of what you explained is from overloading the battery from my experience.
    Aaron Murakami





    You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.” ― Richard Buckminster Fuller

  3. #33
    Senior Member Faraday88's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    Bangaluru, Karnataka, India
    Posts
    1,513
    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron Murakami View Post
    What kind of load are you talking about? Inductive or resistive? The radiant charged batteries work phenomenally well with resistive loads. They can sometimes act goofy with inductive loads.

    But like John said, most of what you explained is from overloading the battery from my experience.
    Hi Aaron,
    Yes, they are Resitive loads 100W X 5 Nos.(500W). I remember JB saying it in his 2nd DVD that SSG (10Coiler video) Charged batteries are very good for running DC Motors (brushed) which is perhaps same as using a sine-wave inverter to run loads and recharge the front.
    I have experienced this too with Inductive loads like a PMDC Motor performs very well with kind of gain in torque.
    I guess Full patent would do even better..my next experiment now.
    Rgds,
    Faraday88.
    ‘Mass is the Spatial density of Matter (Particle) and the Temporal Intensity of Space (Field)’.

  4. #34
    Networking Architect Aaron Murakami's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Spokane, Washington
    Posts
    1,400
    Blog Entries
    1
    Quote Originally Posted by Faraday88 View Post
    Hi Aaron,
    Yes, they are Resitive loads 100W X 5 Nos.(500W). I remember JB saying it in his 2nd DVD that SSG (10Coiler video) Charged batteries are very good for running DC Motors (brushed) which is perhaps same as using a sine-wave inverter to run loads and recharge the front.
    I have experienced this too with Inductive loads like a PMDC Motor performs very well with kind of gain in torque.
    I guess Full patent would do even better..my next experiment now.
    Rgds,
    Faraday88.
    That's interesting - the long time understanding is that batteries charged with spikes like on a SSG should not be rotated to the front because they're not good with inductive loads, which the SSG definitely is. The spikes have to be converted to positive energy first by taking the spikes to a capacitor then dumping the cap to the output battery. John's original term for that is "Forward Conversion". Then, the batteries will be fine for both kinds of loads and can be cycled to the front of the energizers as well as being totally compatible with conventional chargers.
    Aaron Murakami





    You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.” ― Richard Buckminster Fuller

  5. #35
    Senior Member Faraday88's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    Bangaluru, Karnataka, India
    Posts
    1,513
    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron Murakami View Post
    That's interesting - the long time understanding is that batteries charged with spikes like on a SSG should not be rotated to the front because they're not good with inductive loads, which the SSG definitely is. The spikes have to be converted to positive energy first by taking the spikes to a capacitor then dumping the cap to the output battery. John's original term for that is "Forward Conversion". Then, the batteries will be fine for both kinds of loads and can be cycled to the front of the energizers as well as being totally compatible with conventional chargers.
    Thanks Aaron for your comments and inputs on the above, i shall post my experimental observations next after a try out the full patent,
    Tesla Nodes, and the branch current that are the next course of actions for these trials.
    Rgds,
    Faraday88.
    ‘Mass is the Spatial density of Matter (Particle) and the Temporal Intensity of Space (Field)’.

  6. #36
    Hi all,

    I spent most of this afternoon running my SSG with the "split-the-negative" four 105AH battery rotation set up some more. It was pulling 84 LEDs from the two genny coils as well, and running about 210 RPM with double spikes to the charge battery. All four batteries were fully charged at the start ranging from 12.96 to 13.02 volts. As stated previously in this thread, these batteries are too large for this machine to top off at 15 volts. However I remember John suggesting that when doing load tests to stay within the normal working voltage range for maximum COP.

    So I decided to run each cycle for only 6 minutes to see what would happen. I ran each battery through four complete rotations (16 cycles of 6 minutes each). Each battery under charge started out climbing from 12.9 volts to 13.4 volts and on the last rotation they were all climbing to 13.5 volts in six minutes. So they were maintaining charge and even gaining a little.

    My conclusion is that it was giving me a little bit over-unity and maintaining charge running this way similar to keeping a trickle charger on them all the time. I do periodically top them all off to 15 volts with my 10A12 charger, but they always drop back to just under 13 volts after a few days.

    I load tested one of them about 4-1/2 months ago at the C20 rate and it put out 104 AH. I will load test again to see if they are losing, gaining, or maintaining capacity.
    Gary Hammond,

  7. #37
    Senior Member Faraday88's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    Bangaluru, Karnataka, India
    Posts
    1,513
    Quote Originally Posted by Faraday88 View Post
    Thanks Aaron for your comments and inputs on the above, i shall post my experimental observations next after a try out the full patent,
    Tesla Nodes, and the branch current that are the next course of actions for these trials.
    Rgds,
    Faraday88.
    Here is My Dual monopole in action.https://youtu.be/ZgmTgCfRLVg
    The Dual coils allow the batteries to be charged in Parallel or in Series (Branch current)
    This particular set up is designed for parallel charging a set of 4 batteries.
    Load testing and COP calculation underway...Qualitatively though the batteries seem to give out more the more you load them (kind of a anti-Puerkt law) and charge right up faster (DC Resistive load) this is in premise with what JK said in his post earlier.
    Thanks Aaron/JK
    Rgds,
    Faraday88.
    Last edited by Faraday88; 04-10-2019 at 11:36 PM.
    ‘Mass is the Spatial density of Matter (Particle) and the Temporal Intensity of Space (Field)’.

  8. #38
    Senior Member Faraday88's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    Bangaluru, Karnataka, India
    Posts
    1,513
    Quote Originally Posted by Faraday88 View Post
    Here is My Dual monopole in action.https://youtu.be/ZgmTgCfRLVg
    The Dual coils allow the batteries to be charged in Parallel or in Series (Branch current)
    This particular set up is designed for parallel charging a set of 4 batteries.
    Load testing and COP calculation underway...Qualitatively though the batteries seem to give out more the more you load them (kind of a anti-Puerkt law) and charge right up faster (DC Resistive load) this is in premise with what JK said in his post earlier.
    Thanks Aaron/JK
    Rgds,
    Faraday88.
    The Dual coils allow the batteries to be charged in Parallel or in Series (Branch current)
    This particular set up is designed for parallel charging a set of 4 batteries.
    Load testing and COP calculation underway...Qualitatively though the batteries seem to give out more the more you load them (kind of a anti-Puerkt law) and charge right up faster (DC Resistive load) this is in premise with what JK said in his post earlier. attached CBA discharge profile @C20 rate. This Battery measured 12.29V when purchased. I was looking for batteries in the range 13.25V or above since these would reliably of good quality. to my surprise the gel cells in the shop were all in the same range of 12.35-40V
    Over the years the quality of these gel cells have declined. None of the previous batteries I purchased have stood up the test for a capacity test.
    Thanks Aaron/JK
    Rgds,
    Faraday88.[/QUOTE]
    April 12 2019.jpg
    ‘Mass is the Spatial density of Matter (Particle) and the Temporal Intensity of Space (Field)’.

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •