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Thread: Do you have SG or Monopole problems? Read this first

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    Do you have SG or Monopole problems? Read this first

    When you ask a question, or when starting a thread with a question, please post the following information with your question:

    Wire size and length of wire , and what size the trigger wire is if it is different from the power wire
    Number of wires on the spool
    Number of magnets on the Rotor and type of magnets
    Free spin time of the rotor with the coil removed
    Type of transistor or transistors, and if you matched the components
    Type of battery you are trying to charge
    Is it a single or multi coil machine

    what steps you have already taken to remedy the problem.


    Please have pictures to upload of your circuit and your wheel.

    Tom C


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    Hi,

    I'm a beginner and this is my first posting. I've purchased and read the beginner's and intermediate books for the SSG monopole energizer. I've ordered and received the 8 curcuit SSG Bedini circuit board, 24 magnets, 5 spools, welding rod packets and 23 gauge wire from Renaissance Charge. I've order the other components from Mouser, etc. as suggested in the books. I've watched the Lindemann video on how to build an SSG. I've made the coil with help from a couple of friends. I've attached the magnets to a bicycle wheel. I've built the framework and mounted the wheel and the coil. This is where I start having problems. The 8 circuit board appears different from the board that is available in the complete kits and is therefore different from what Lindemann is using in his video. I've tried to follow the schematic diagram on page 62 of the beginner's book and I'm not sure if I have stuffed the board correctly. I wired it up, connected it to a battery, got the "thump" but it doesn't run. The lights don't light up. I'm not sure where to start troubleshooting but I think I really need a stuffing diagram for this board. Is there one available somewhere?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CONDALIA View Post
    Hi,

    I'm a beginner and this is my first posting. I've purchased and read the beginner's and intermediate books for the SSG monopole energizer. I've ordered and received the 8 curcuit SSG Bedini circuit board, 24 magnets, 5 spools, welding rod packets and 23 gauge wire from Renaissance Charge. I've order the other components from Mouser, etc. as suggested in the books. I've watched the Lindemann video on how to build an SSG. I've made the coil with help from a couple of friends. I've attached the magnets to a bicycle wheel. I've built the framework and mounted the wheel and the coil. This is where I start having problems. The 8 circuit board appears different from the board that is available in the complete kits and is therefore different from what Lindemann is using in his video. I've tried to follow the schematic diagram on page 62 of the beginner's book and I'm not sure if I have stuffed the board correctly. I wired it up, connected it to a battery, got the "thump" but it doesn't run. The lights don't light up. I'm not sure where to start troubleshooting but I think I really need a stuffing diagram for this board. Is there one available somewhere?
    I would suggest you contact R charge for the diagram...... the neons are not supposed to light up, if they do you have a problem. start with 1 circuit one power strand and the trigger, when you have that working add power strands.

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    Thanks Tom, I've emailed R-Charge twice and phoned them on three separate occasions. I've only been able to get the answering machine and have never gotten a response. I was hoping to locate one someplace else.

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    That's pretty poor after sales support from R-charge. I would've thought you would get a schematic with the board.

    Be very careful when you desolder anything from those boards. The traces have a tendency to lift off the board.

    At TeslagenX we are hoping to have an 8 transistor board out very soon, which will come with full schematics and instructions.

    John K.

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    Yes I agree that R-Charge is lacking in customer support. I purchased a universal battery charger for $400 US, three sets of magnets (24 in each set), five plastic spools for the coils, a 3200 ft coil of 23 gauge enameled copper wire, three sets of welding rods, and three 8 circuit boards for the SSG for an additional $311 US. When placing the order I never received a confirmation via email that the order had been received or was being processed. I had no way of knowing if they were even still in business until I saw the charges appear on my credit card statement. Later, I received an email confirmation that the parts had been shipped. You would think that with a combined order of over $700 US they would be more responsive. They really need to get someone to set up their customer service system. It seems very slip-shod.

    John V.

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    Hi Tom,

    Not seeing 1:1 charging.

    Wire size and length of wire , and what size the trigger wire is if it is different from the power wire

    pwr strandsare #20wire, trigger is #23. 130ft length, litzed.

    Number of wires on the spool

    7 pwr strands plus trigger on master coil.

    Number of magnets on the Rotor and type of magnets

    21, c-8, 16"rim

    Free spin time of the rotor with the coil removed

    8:30 (8min, 30 sec)

    Type of transistor or transistors, and if you matched the components

    MJL21194. trannys, base resistors, charge diodes are matched.

    Type of battery you are trying to charge

    Walmart lawn and garden

    Is it a single or multi coil machine

    Single

    What steps you have already taken to remedy the problem.

    Bought 8 new batts.

    Charge run batts with 2A12 charger.

    Started with etched cct board with huge traces but now have new manual copy with #6 wire in and out.

    Continuing runs. Am draw is .7A

    Please have pictures to upload of your circuit and your wheel.


    bro d
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    Last edited by brodonh; 07-20-2013 at 01:05 PM.

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    Hey bro,

    What are the base resistors? Are you running in attraction mode?

    John K

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    Quote Originally Posted by John_Koorn View Post
    Hey bro,

    What are the base resistors? Are you running in attraction mode?

    John K
    Hi John K,

    The base resistors are 470ohm, running in attraction mode.

    My wheel is not loaded and it seems that loading the wheel has a significant effect and it is important to JB especially with the bike wheel.

    In the last DVD's he said that he wanted to stay under a certain rpm for the demo, hence the two fans.

    Also, when I bought the bunch of new walmart batts I didn't realize that even though they look the same there are different versions.

    Presently I have an exact matched pair running and the charge batt was drained to 12v and the run was fully charged (16.2.v)

    We'll see in the AM. Got to get the bike wheel right before trying to solve the 5 coiler issues.

    I sincerely appreciate your help.

    bro d

    PS Don't understand the gap setting. It's at about 5/16" at present. and runs at 400rpm.
    If it's at minimum then it runs at close to 500 At 3/16" it runs at 450.
    What are the symptoms of a correct gap?
    Last edited by brodonh; 07-20-2013 at 07:50 PM.

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    do you have the final 12 ohm resistor in there? what is your primary current draw? too much current possibly. I found on mine I had to add a 33 ohm resistor as a base resistor before the branch resistor to get my current down. Tom C


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