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    Increased RPM by placing Cored coil underneath Main Coil.

    Hi everyone. A couple of days ago I made an interesting observation and thought I'd share. I don't know if its been posted on here however if it has I've not seen it.

    Anyway, I was messing about adapting one of my monopole machines to various changes including needing to raise the coil because of a change in frame. I usually use CD's or DVD's or whatever comes to hand providing its not something that would draw power away from the Main coil. This time for one reason or another I decided to use a Coil Spool but one with a core already in it. The core was welding rods. I placed the core underneath the Main coil core where the cores were actually making contact.

    2 things I noticed straight away. Speed Increase without making any changes to the Resistance settings and more audible sound being carried through the core of the coils. I always tune my machines with the help of my AM radio set to LW frequency. This time the Radio wasn't on as the pulsing was emitting through the core of the coils. I managed to re-tune it with the help of the coil core. Bit freaky!

    I've since tried it on three other machines. Two of them I use the Mechanical Switch for Cap Dumping and one of those I had to immediately raise the resistance setting. All three benefit.

    I haven't tried extracting power from the coils underneath the Main coil yet. Maybe that's something I will try next or maybe someone else may be interested in trying that. I do know of the tweak where placing a small neo underneath the Coil can sometimes aid the performance of a machine.

    Anyway, hope your all well...not posted in a while.

    Oliver

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oliver View Post
    Hi everyone. A couple of days ago I made an interesting observation and thought I'd share. I don't know if its been posted on here however if it has I've not seen it.

    Anyway, I was messing about adapting one of my monopole machines to various changes including needing to raise the coil because of a change in frame. I usually use CD's or DVD's or whatever comes to hand providing its not something that would draw power away from the Main coil. This time for one reason or another I decided to use a Coil Spool but one with a core already in it. The core was welding rods. I placed the core underneath the Main coil core where the cores were actually making contact.

    2 things I noticed straight away. Speed Increase without making any changes to the Resistance settings and more audible sound being carried through the core of the coils. I always tune my machines with the help of my AM radio set to LW frequency. This time the Radio wasn't on as the pulsing was emitting through the core of the coils. I managed to re-tune it with the help of the coil core. Bit freaky!

    I've since tried it on three other machines. Two of them I use the Mechanical Switch for Cap Dumping and one of those I had to immediately raise the resistance setting. All three benefit.

    I haven't tried extracting power from the coils underneath the Main coil yet. Maybe that's something I will try next or maybe someone else may be interested in trying that. I do know of the tweak where placing a small neo underneath the Coil can sometimes aid the performance of a machine.

    Anyway, hope your all well...not posted in a while.

    Oliver
    Hi Oliver,
    many people have added coils the the end of the main coil by extending the core, and even shorted said coil in a timed location and added magnets to the "backside" of said core, however I have not heard of anyone adding a coil as you describe and getting the results you describe.
    Can you tell us more? Is there anything else you notice besides the wheel speeding up? does charging increase with no added draw to the primary? I'm assuming your added core is not shorted out in any way or is it? any chance of a video?
    Thanks - Patrick

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oliver View Post
    Hi everyone. A couple of days ago I made an interesting observation and thought I'd share. I don't know if its been posted on here however if it has I've not seen it.

    Anyway, I was messing about adapting one of my monopole machines to various changes including needing to raise the coil because of a change in frame. I usually use CD's or DVD's or whatever comes to hand providing its not something that would draw power away from the Main coil. This time for one reason or another I decided to use a Coil Spool but one with a core already in it. The core was welding rods. I placed the core underneath the Main coil core where the cores were actually making contact.

    2 things I noticed straight away. Speed Increase without making any changes to the Resistance settings and more audible sound being carried through the core of the coils. I always tune my machines with the help of my AM radio set to LW frequency. This time the Radio wasn't on as the pulsing was emitting through the core of the coils. I managed to re-tune it with the help of the coil core. Bit freaky!

    I've since tried it on three other machines. Two of them I use the Mechanical Switch for Cap Dumping and one of those I had to immediately raise the resistance setting. All three benefit.

    I haven't tried extracting power from the coils underneath the Main coil yet. Maybe that's something I will try next or maybe someone else may be interested in trying that. I do know of the tweak where placing a small neo underneath the Coil can sometimes aid the performance of a machine.

    Anyway, hope your all well...not posted in a while.

    Oliver
    Hi Oliver,

    In your 'stumbled experiment' you have essentially extended the length of the core in an Asymmetrical manner (extended at one end only) when you do this, the interaction between the magnetic fields of the coil and the extended core that now represents its Bloch wall is now extended external from the coil while the Field pulled inward to the coil center. the acceleration is amplified.. This effect can be further boosted by 2 other methods.... any guess..
    Rgds,
    Faraday88.
    'Teaching can endure a quest for knowledge..but Learning solves an anomaly'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faraday88 View Post
    Hi Oliver,

    In your 'stumbled experiment' you have essentially extended the length of the core in an Asymmetrical manner (extended at one end only) when you do this, the interaction between the magnetic fields of the coil and the extended core that now represents its Bloch wall is now extended external from the coil while the Field pulled inward to the coil center. the acceleration is amplified.. This effect can be further boosted by 2 other methods.... any guess..
    Rgds,
    Faraday88.
    If it was this simple wouldn't all the extended cores people have done over the years accomplished the same effect? Isn't this different than JB's ferris wheel cores that are extended into the frame? I have conducted several experiments with extended cores in both directions adding coils to those extended cores and shorting them piggy backing to the ssg ckt etc... I could go on. Let's wait to hear more information from Oliver before jumping to any conclusions, but please do share your two methods rather than play game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by min2oly View Post
    If it was this simple wouldn't all the extended cores people have done over the years accomplished the same effect? Isn't this different than JB's ferris wheel cores that are extended into the frame? I have conducted several experiments with extended cores in both directions adding coils to those extended cores and shorting them piggy backing to the ssg ckt etc... I could go on. Let's wait to hear more information from Oliver before jumping to any conclusions, but please do share your two methods rather than play game.
    Hi Patrick and Faraday..

    I'll do that as you asked Patrick with the video. I'm not coil shorting though when I first saw the improvement I first thought of Doug Konzen's explanation of not needing to place coils around the wheel, like everyone does , I only initially did it as a test because I needed to elevate the coil onto something higher to attract the new rotor I was experimenting with. One of the machines was struggling to hit its sweet spot

    It might be easier for me to post it on Youtube and I'll offer the best explanation I can and then I'll provide a link on here and let you know when its ready. I'll do that a little bit later but I won't leave it too long. By the way Patrick you do some great video's, amazing stuff with Cap Dumping.

    Hi Faraday, are you referring to shaping the magnetic field with a metal plate and using superpoles?

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    Hi Guys,

    I started a thread about three years ago reporting on my "Complete Advanced SSG" http://www.energyscienceforum.com/showthread.php?t=2041 where I showed an extra genny coil directly under the main run coil. The cores are gapped about 3/8" apart and neither core extends beyond it's own spool.

    I still have that extra coil installed with a switch, to collect some of the "extra" energy that is lost (from the external field?) when the main run coil collapses. I have found over time, however, that it does cause a slight decrease in RPM (5 or 10 RPM) and a slight increase in charge time (5 to 10 %). So it's not as completely "free" as I first thought and reported. It does, however, light up 42 LEDs. And the other genny coil, which is energized strictly by the magnets going past it, also lights up another 42 LEDs.

    When both genny coils are switched on it lights up a total of 84 LEDs with only a slight penalty in RPM and charge rate. And as reported in the above referenced thread, the charge battery will itself power a pretty healthy load while being charged in the common ground mode.

    Gary Hammond,

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    Hi Gary, I'm glad you've seen and done it.. that's pretty impressive with the 84 LED's. I've not tried extracting anything from it other than aiding my rotation on a few of my motors. Thanks for posting that.
    anyway here's the video link as promised..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6uw6o_gvks






    Quote Originally Posted by Gary Hammond View Post
    Hi Guys,

    I started a thread about three years ago reporting on my "Complete Advanced SSG" http://www.energyscienceforum.com/showthread.php?t=2041 where I showed an extra genny coil directly under the main run coil. The cores are gapped about 3/8" apart and neither core extends beyond it's own spool.

    I still have that extra coil installed with a switch, to collect some of the "extra" energy that is lost (from the external field?) when the main run coil collapses. I have found over time, however, that it does cause a slight decrease in RPM (5 or 10 RPM) and a slight increase in charge time (5 to 10 %). So it's not as completely "free" as I first thought and reported. It does, however, light up 42 LEDs. And the other genny coil, which is energized strictly by the magnets going past it, also lights up another 42 LEDs.

    When both genny coils are switched on it lights up a total of 84 LEDs with only a slight penalty in RPM and charge rate. And as reported in the above referenced thread, the charge battery will itself power a pretty healthy load while being charged in the common ground mode.


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    Hi Oliver,

    Quote Originally Posted by Oliver View Post
    Hi everyone. A couple of days ago I made an interesting observation and thought I'd share. I don't know if its been posted on here however if it has I've not seen it.

    Anyway, I was messing about adapting one of my monopole machines to various changes including needing to raise the coil because of a change in frame. I usually use CD's or DVD's or whatever comes to hand providing its not something that would draw power away from the Main coil. This time for one reason or another I decided to use a Coil Spool but one with a core already in it. The core was welding rods. I placed the core underneath the Main coil core where the cores were actually making contact.

    2 things I noticed straight away. Speed Increase without making any changes to the Resistance settings and more audible sound being carried through the core of the coils. I always tune my machines with the help of my AM radio set to LW frequency. This time the Radio wasn't on as the pulsing was emitting through the core of the coils. I managed to re-tune it with the help of the coil core. Bit freaky!

    I've since tried it on three other machines. Two of them I use the Mechanical Switch for Cap Dumping and one of those I had to immediately raise the resistance setting. All three benefit.

    I haven't tried extracting power from the coils underneath the Main coil yet. Maybe that's something I will try next or maybe someone else may be interested in trying that. I do know of the tweak where placing a small neo underneath the Coil can sometimes aid the performance of a machine.

    Anyway, hope your all well...not posted in a while.

    Oliver
    I watched your video with interest and was impressed with your ingenuity and observations. The only question I have relates to the gap between the run coil and the rotating magnets. Did you end up with the exact same gap before the modifications and afterward?

    I know from my own experiments that a small change in the gap can greatly influence RPM, current draw, trigger resistance required, and charging output .
    Gary Hammond,

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    Hi Gary.

    Thanks for the compliments and watching my video. Yes. As a guide I usually start off by jamming the underside of my core with dvd's or cd's and then remove them one by one. I measured the gap with the discs and noticed I was able to remove two of the discs while maintaining a healthy rpm. Previously as the potential in the power battery dropped, the field weakened and I had to start adding discs to decrease the air gap...this was prior to the change. So the power battery dropped to 10v and then lower than 9 while maintaining fast rotation and would have continued if I'd have allowed it. I drain my ni-cads down normally and then allow them to rest for a couple of hours before charging them again so this is normal practise for me.

    I like to experiment with ni-cads which I've done for a few years now. They've got a far steeper decline than a lead acid as you probably know. I charge these to about 12:80v then allow them to rest. So I look after them like a lead acid battery. I'm even using one to rejuvenate one of my 12amp/hr lead acid batteries at the moment.

    The larger red/black Ni-cad I've rebuilt but used thick 600Amp dc auto jump wire with weld rods to connect the cells. It looks and acts like its an extension of my motors as they're running with the same thick DC high ampage jump wire. So there's 30 ni-cad cells in parallel and in series which makes up a pretty potent battery.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gary Hammond View Post
    Hi Oliver,



    I watched your video with interest and was impressed with your ingenuity and observations. The only question I have relates to the gap between the run coil and the rotating magnets. Did you end up with the exact same gap before the modifications and afterward?

    I know from my own experiments that a small change in the gap can greatly influence RPM, current draw, trigger resistance required, and charging output .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oliver View Post
    Hi Gary, I'm glad you've seen and done it.. that's pretty impressive with the 84 LED's. I've not tried extracting anything from it other than aiding my rotation on a few of my motors. Thanks for posting that.
    anyway here's the video link as promised..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6uw6o_gvks
    Hi Oliver,
    this is very nice! so the supporting coil is completely open and not connected to anything? Did it behave the same using the spool and core without the wire on it? I couldn't tell from what you said in the video.

    Sorry If my response to Faraday confused anyone. I completely understood that you did not piggy back.

    Oliver, can you tell if there is any interaction/vibration between the two cores? I guess I'll have to get a wheel up and running to test some things out :-) Thanks for sharing this!
    Kind Regards - Patrick

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