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    Another great video Bob. Great project in general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobZilla View Post
    Hi Farady,
    Glad you like it. Look this is a learning tool not a masterpiece. I have made this in it's simplest form on purpose and presented it as a "Toy" for a reason. I am well aware how these circuits work and have shown many times over just about every iteration of them. What I am trying to get you to understand is that this model is not supposed to explain all the mysteries that can be found. I may sound like I am angry with you but I am not, I just don't like your hinting that I do not understand something and warding off others from fundamental knowledge.

    I would encourage you to go look at figure 1 of this patent and go ahead and read the operational description, then tell me it's misunderstood.

    https://www.google.com/patents/US7990110
    Hey Bob,
    Sorry if i offended you..that was never my intention pal!! yes that patent I have been acquainted with for several years now...and the fig 1 Indeed depicts apparently simple ON-OFF switch and mechanical one in specific. but the same fig.1 also has a component 36 apparently a trigger's component how do think you can account for this component in your understanding of the simple switching you describe in your video with the reed switches.. Just my guess i feel the fig.1 and fig .2 are used in conjunction to each other.
    your comments are valued in my opinion..its just intention to share mine friend.
    Best Regards,
    Faraday88.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary Hammond View Post
    Hi Bob,

    You're having way too much fun with that 3-D printer!!

    Enjoyed the video. That's a pretty sweet and novel little machine. I like that it switches without transistors and draws so little current. Looks like it might be able to go over unity?
    Hi Gary,, good to see you pop in and comment. I will not make that claim publicly but as I have done in the past I can show what the machine does and let people draw their own conclusions ;0.

    I didn't show in this video but I have made a battery tray that holds 8 AAA cells in parallel for charging. I have charged Ni-MH and Ni-Zn cells this way and they do very well and the draw is about the same. As you add more to the back the gains increase as you know. For this video I thought it more important to show a higher voltage on the back than the front which is very characteristic of a Bedini charger. In other words someone could see me charging a bunch of AAA (1.2v) from an 8v primary and say so what, but when they see 18v charging from an 8v then they know something special is happening. I would say though that if you look at the work being done there from 11ma both charging and turning the wheel it's pretty impressive to me at least.

    Because of the resistance on the coils I can get away with bare metal switching on that reed and that exhibits some of the best characteristics you can ever find. Of course as you build larger it's not so easy to stay bare metal and that is why the transistors came into play but there is a slight capacitance at the junction of a transistor that does not give as clean of an off as bare metal. By they way I'm just speaking to the group at this point, not just barking stuff at Gary that he did not ask about, I think Gary knows all of this anyway ;-)

    Brian and ED, also good to see you guys thanks for popping in. Faraday I will reply to you separately in your comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faraday88 View Post
    Hey Bob,
    Sorry if i offended you..that was never my intention pal!! yes that patent I have been acquainted with for several years now...and the fig 1 Indeed depicts apparently simple ON-OFF switch and mechanical one in specific. but the same fig.1 also has a component 36 apparently a trigger's component how do think you can account for this component in your understanding of the simple switching you describe in your video with the reed switches.. Just my guess i feel the fig.1 and fig .2 are used in conjunction to each other.
    your comments are valued in my opinion..its just intention to share mine friend.
    Best Regards,
    Faraday88.
    Hi Faraday,
    So component 36 is not a trigger or anything to do with a trigger, it represents the physical conductor (wire) which is a sub component of component 28 called a voltage generator in the patent, it's the inductor. These patents have to spell everything out so it is a reference to making the inductor with coiled wire. We are not using the inductor as an inductor in the traditional sense however, we are actually using it as a magnetic field generator by driving it instead of collecting with it (at least in the forward path). It then becomes a capacitor and eventually a generator of sorts.

    I really don't want to turn this into a pissing contest but the reason Mr. Bedini harped on the trigger so much as you have said was because people were mystfied by it's function and constantly made misguided statements about it, hence the push to learn what it really does.

    (This is a bit of the kind of crap that made Mr. Bedini harp on learning the triggers function, but heh what the hell)
    Now in the context of a bike wheel setup their are variables that can and do make the trigger help or hurt the situation. The trigger can cross induct from the power winding and cause oscillation that has nothing to do with the magnets that caused the initial trigger. Many people discovered this when they came to find that their wheel has stopped but the machine is still charging. It is also contributing to the circuit via induction through the base/emmiter junction and of course you have the added variables from the skin effects and the fact that the trigger is run opposite polarity from the power winding (Newman, Leedskalnin and others understood how to capitalize on that). I will stress however that any gains that can be added to the system via trigger magic are very hard to capitalize, just having a trigger winding present is not enough. A man like Mr. Bedini who spent a life tuning RF can achieve the correct balances but most hobby builders are not going to be able to do it.

    My point is just that your previous statement implied that there is a different energy that can be tickled out with a trigger and this machine does not have one so although it's neat it's a different kind of output. I do not agree with that. It's fine for you to have your opinion and I don't want to silence your thoughts but that does not mean that when you say something I don't agree with I am not going to comment back.


    Hey Bob,
    That was excellent video and not to mention your neat set up of the charger.
    However, i would like to stress on the gist of the switching mechanism and its implications to Radiant Electricity on how it is harnessed.. no body seems to co-relate its production as shown by John bedini. JB always maintained to encourage people to learn what the trigger did.. and at times when the trigger apparently not present, the form of the Radiant also changed.

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