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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Wing View Post
    I cleaned it up a bit more so we can get to the point...

    John has a video on the small window motor shown prior, first he spins the motor by hand it charges the capacitor then he runs the machine for a long while off the capacitor. What is charging the capacitor? It is the energy "As the magnet is sucked in the pulse is in the downward direction" " negative sine voltage is created" this "is power returning to the to the primary section" this charges the primary powering capacitor or primary battery." This is the "...first form of energy is what we all know as conventional, taught to us from all leading books in the field..." How many energies does John say you can harvest from the SG? I know he says at least three are available.

    The above is why John says the machine goes in and out of lense law when it generates the law applies and when it powers its self via the pulse it is out of the confines of the law and especially so when pulsed at the zero point or Bloch wall.

    That is what I am talking about. I hope it is clear. This is the same induced current that powers the trigger circuit. Aaron you said that when you were using your spark plasma ignition to run a SG the rotor was able to turn something like 25 revolutions between pulses at rpm. So there is quite a bit of angular momentum stored in the rotor magnetics and this can then be easily converted to electrical current and sent straight to the primary section between power pulses. This of course is separate and distinct from the positive sine wave spike and coil collapse.

    When one pulses the zero point of the magnet, you get rotation or angular momentum imparted to the rotor, by doing this you then are able to have access to the two opposite voltages being generated on each side of the zero point and you can harness either one separately or both at the same time if desired and power the motor. It should be noted that a North Pole magnet can generate a sine wave.

    Dave Wing
    The Plasma Ignition motor really isn't an SG, it's just a coil getting popped by the low voltage cap impulse over a gap. But yes, as it speeds up, it just goes faster than the cap can't get charged up to keep up with it. If it kept up with the speed of the magnet passing the rotor, it would get to ridiculous speeds. And that was with a coil that hardly had any turns on it. I haven't done any generator experiments with it, but there is quite a bit of momentum there for sure. It's a very crude an ugly experiment, but it just show you can run a motor like that. I'd like to go multi parallel windings with a lot of turns on a better geometry. I haven't optimized anything either. I'd like to build a really nice model - maybe a ZFM with quad 18awg windings, lots of them, with the plasma ignition discharge. I think it would be quite a demo!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faraday88 View Post
    Hi Aaron,
    Very well..i'm in line with your opinion on all what you have stated...after all Scientific describtion are relative understandings!! Yes, absolutely JB using the spike for Battery is same as Other patents using the spike for splitting Water molecule..however this comparision if you ask me would be closer to the Stan meyer patent or the Xogen patent. if you remember Stan's patent saying that the H20 molecule can be fractured stricktly on Mechanical oscillation basis which differes from Faraday's electrochemical mode of causing the splitt and hence it is proportional to the Voltage for a given current.
    Sure enough! i know the commutator you are refering to is classical to that 1984 Machine there is no discrepancy over that!! cool pal I interguied on these essence 1) the Magnetic Structure of the monopole 2) Trifilar Coil configuration 3) Switching mechanism. pertaining to JB's Pat 6,545,444
    I'm keen to see the Front battery go over its Staring Voltage...have you personally seen JB acheive this?
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    Faraday88.
    Years ago on icubenetwork, for whatever its worth, I was the first to propose that the Bedini SG showed the basic method that Meyer was actually using or at least showed the same kind of application of "voltage potential". That was on the first page of Meyer's tech doc word for word and nobody seemed to understand it - at least by what was posted online. It was because of what I learned from John and the SG that it became common sense what Meyer was doing with the WFC.

    I have seen John's front battery go up beyond its starting voltage. First time was with his machine using the commutator I showed in my video with the cd rom case variation. It had a plastic wheel rotor and he used the mechanical switch commutator.

    My own battery went up higher than the input with that ridiculous cd rom case commutator, but I was using 12v 7ah gel cells I think. At first I saw HUGE increases in voltage, posted a video and someone pointed out that my cheap voltmeter from harbor freight had the battery sign on and when those batteries go dead, the voltage will show much higher so I got fooled. However, with a new battery, I still got results, not as dramatic as the fluffed up results from the dead multimeter batt. However, the impedance was too high so the cap discharge to the front didn't effectively convert to real charging ability and was mostly an increased voltage fluffy charge. John's increase was a real load powering increase. I don't now if it would have run indefinitely, but certainly way beyond 1.0 COP and that proves the point at minimum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron Murakami View Post
    Years ago on icubenetwork, for whatever its worth, I was the first to propose that the Bedini SG showed the basic method that Meyer was actually using or at least showed the same kind of application of "voltage potential". That was on the first page of Meyer's tech doc word for word and nobody seemed to understand it - at least by what was posted online. It was because of what I learned from John and the SG that it became common sense what Meyer was doing with the WFC.


    I have seen John's front battery go up beyond its starting voltage. First time was with his machine using the commutator I showed in my video with the cd rom case variation. It had a plastic wheel rotor and he used the mechanical switch commutator.

    My own battery went up higher than the input with that ridiculous cd rom case commutator, but I was using 12v 7ah gel cells I think. At first I saw HUGE increases in voltage, posted a video and someone pointed out that my cheap voltmeter from harbor freight had the battery sign on and when those batteries go dead, the voltage will show much higher so I got fooled. However, with a new battery, I still got results, not as dramatic as the fluffed up results from the dead multimeter batt. However, the impedance was too high so the cap discharge to the front didn't effectively convert to real charging ability and was mostly an increased voltage fluffy charge. John's increase was a real load powering increase. I don't now if it would have run indefinitely, but certainly way beyond 1.0 COP and that proves the point at minimum.
    As per my Research, Meyer uses two distinct method that is applicable in the Bedini battery Charger patent also. 1) Meyer Patent: 'Gas Voltage Controll circuit'(Integrated Gas Voltage control circuit) is Similar to Bedini Patent Method of 'Pulse Charging a battery and driving other devices with a pulse''. 2) Meyer Patent : Method for the production of a Fuel gas is similar to Bedini Patent : Circuit and related methods for Charging a Battery. In the last Patent makes use of very low Voltage input to produce large Gas out put in Meyer case and in the Bedini case it charges a Battery whose terminal voltage is higher the source charging it. (with a Voltage as low as 0.7V!! as per the Patent.)
    Sorry it was a bit off topic but nonetheless very significant
    Rgds,
    Faraday88.
    Last edited by Faraday88; 03-07-2017 at 10:21 AM.
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