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    Talking Lightning and chain reactions

    Solavei
    Brainstorming a Thunderstorm. Includes Radiant Energy, and a lot of speculation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Handy andy View Post
    Has any one any thoughts on using the method of focused explosions above oxidizing the hydrogen producing H20 further heating it at the focus point and disacociating the water molecules again and repeating the procedure. Also what do people think about starting the process with methane explosions, and extracting hydrogen this way, without the first method of producing hydrogen from water. Most hydrogen in the world is extracted from methane.
    How old are you andy????
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    Quote Originally Posted by Handy andy View Post
    I wasnt born yesterday, I am a retired electrical engineer, with a interest in Nikola Tesla. I know enough about most things to be dangerous.

    I have Theories on everything, which I keep tinkering with, and have writen down over the last few years. These include for amusement a theory of everything in physics explaining how both types of gravity work, and what the ether for want of a better word is. Ether is better described as a flexible unit of space etc etc etc.

    With these posts I wish to focus on lightning, and the production of hydrogen ions and hydrogen at low atmospheric pressure from the atmosphere. I would like comments on what I have written above. If any one is interested or can see any glaring errors or improvements I can make in my reasoning please reply. I have I think kept it simple enough for any one to follow my reasoniong. I also kept it simple because my knowledge of chemistry is very very rusty.

    Kind Regards

    Andy
    Hi Andy,
    First of all no pun intended!! the reason i asked you is that i see your posts in quick succession even before commented any thing...i could not go through them either...but briefly viewed, it does have stuff with a lot of gusto in it... I should think in that case that you would be born in the future!!!!! since you are a retired guy my full recspect to you...! like the way i see John Bedini a senior guy who have real stuff of the past....Technology existed in the past...with true Science governing it..i'm a true believer of this and see you are that kind of guy of course! and above all i see you keen insight in Lightning... what a subject to ponder on along with Tesla technology. do you know Mr. Todd Livingstone by any chance.... this guy has done a mobile equipment to harnessing the Lightning Energy..this machine with the Radiant approach is a game changer the way i see it.. apart with its association with the other 'Free' prime mover sources like the Sun and the Wind ect.. the other thing with the Radiant Energy is we should be able to 'Call Lightning at Will' what is you view on this ???
    more later..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faraday88 View Post
    How old are you andy????
    Rgds,
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    lol.. no doubt he is genius

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    Quote Originally Posted by Handy andy View Post
    Thunder Storms are natures fuel cells

    Just in case no one understands how fuel cells work the US govt provided the following idiots guide to fuel cells, complete with pictures.

    http://energy.gov/eere/fuelcells/hyd...n-electrolysis

    Hydrogen production is normally done at atmospheric pressure, and often at very high temperatures expending a lot of energy. I am proposing turning the idea on its head, low pressure and low temperatures, like its done in nature in a thunderstorm via a likely chain reaction.
    Hey Andy,

    Just wanted to know by Chain reaction do you intend to mean cumulative acceleration and not like the traditional chain reaction of the fission mechanism..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Handy andy View Post
    It would be more like a cold fission reaction, one +ve ionized hydrogen atom smashing into a none ionised water molecule knocking off another hydrogen atom etc. If the water molecule H20 is -ve ionized it could produce hydrogen peroxide H202, which is not nice stuff, explosive and damages cells. With electric or magnetic fields applied across the tube the ions with different polarity should stay separated and prevent this.
    Hey Andy,
    Your explanation sounds like that of Stan Meyer Electrical Polarization process of the Water molecule wherein he says the water molecule is polarized by opposite electrical fields ofcourse the main stream understanding of this is that the system is symmetrically regauged however, what he means is Asymmetrical regauging i.e one Positive voltage zone and the other Negative electrical zone and the filed in between is free floating (Isolated) and is essestially Magnetic by nature.. is this what you also propose as the process in your chain reaction and Lightning related mechanism.
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    Yes. But mine and Stan Meyers explanation are simpler. I am not familiar with Stan Meyers work, was he using low atmospheric pressure.(yes he was using it ..in to two different modes one is the real physical Vacuum environment, he called it the EASER (Electrical Amilpfication by Stimulated emmission of Radiation) wherein he used Hydrogen gas in low pressure and exciting glow-discharge to produce what he called Light lense to produce intense Heat-Radiant energy and for this he used the Asymmetrical regauging of Polarization field mechanism that i described in my privious post to this. The second one he uses Asymmetrical Vacuum field that the main stream scientists will be baffled with.. refer his patent on the Electrical particle Generator it uses a air tight environment wherein the generated HHO gases occupy more space than that was occupied by the same voulme of water before being split.. this is the Temporal Vacuum Energy that is counterpart of the physical vacuum . I am suggesting this is the key, to improving the overall efficiency of electrolyzing water and turning it into a fuel as Hydrogen and Oxygen etc.

    The above are the key parts of a thunderstorm simulated in a tube (natures fuel cell). Initial ionisation of moist air, low atmospheric pressure to avoid or reduce unwanted molecular collisions and recombinations, electric fields to separate the ions along the length of the tube which concentrates like ions and encourages collisions with non ionised molecules giving a chain reaction. Further disassociating the water molecules into H OH etc. At low atmospheric pressure the molecules will have less collisions and less chance of recombining (Basic chemical collision theory)

    What is done with the H H+ OH OH- N N- etc is up to the imagination of any one who wants to try it. Discharge it as above to get electricity, burn it to get heat in a rocket, store it for future use etc

    The basic idea could be knocked up by any one with a little bit of imagination. Just to see if it will work. It does not take a big improvement in efficiency over current technology to make big gains. To go through the patent and development procedure takes time, it is better just to put the idea out there, if it works great if not, can some one let me know.

    If the machine has been developed already let me know and I will drop the subject.

    I try to avoid technical sounding jargon so as not to confuse people, what is written above is about as simple as I can make it. I do not adhere to the concept of "peer" group review and technical sounding jargon which is only suited to academia. Academia requires slow thinking and agreeance with every thing else ever written or said and would like to control what people think, like some extremist religious or political groups around today. I prefer freethinking, a brainstorm or berserker attack to achieve quick answers. Brainstorming and anarchistic thought are not suitable for the peer group review, but you get fast results if you don't have to fit in with conventional thought. Process visualisation first in your minds eye is the fastest way to achieve results before even setting pen to paper. I don't need a computer simulation or technical jargon to see how things work, I do it in my head.
    ''If and only if One knew how to make use of the CAPACITOR..would they realize that it is the true SUPERCONDUCTOR''.

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    [QUOTE=Handy andy;25023]
    Quote Originally Posted by Faraday88 View Post
    The real physical Vacuum environment, he called it the EASER (Electrical Amilpfication by Stimulated emmission of Radiation) wherein he used Hydrogen gas in low pressure and exciting glow-discharge to produce what he called Light lense to produce intense Heat-Radiant energy and for this he used the Asymmetrical regauging of Polarization field mechanism that i described in my privious post to this. ~

    The second one he uses Asymmetrical Vacuum field that the main stream scientists will be baffled with.. refer his patent on the Electrical particle Generator it uses a air tight environment wherein the generated HHO gases occupy more space than that was occupied by the same voulme of water before being split.. this is the Temporal Vacuum Energy that is counterpart of the physical vacuum .
    I am [/B]

    No! that is not what I am talking about, the basic idea above uses basic chemistry and collision theory in a vacuum nothing fancy. It is simple and that is why I pushed this idea rather than any of my others. I figured I could explain it with conventional theory.

    To talk about gauge asymetry is just to cause a disturbance in space or an imbalance in forces, mentioning particle asymetry is missing the point. Things are very simple when you think you know what you are looking at, as lyk wot I du. To create an asymetry you need to reverse fields in the aether, I am not suggesting doing that, although it raises some other possiblities.

    Where the antimatter comes from in a thundercloud is of extreme interest, I am not sure I fully understand it, I suggested fusion or a type of radioactive decay in ionized ice particles or hydrogen ions decaying on mass into neutrons and positrons. Positive discharges from thunderclouds are extremely interesting, If we can get positrons out of hydrogen ions it would be extremely useful.

    I just edited on Tom Myers thread. All things are made up of waves and vortices every particle, photon, force, quantum matter, even space is made up of the aether. The aether may not be the proper word to use, I use the word Linda in my theories so as not to cause confusion. I take a very simple approach using visualisation that a child can follow. My approach to physics covers everything from where all matter came from to the edge of the known universe in about 20 pages. It uses a kind of aether and visualisation to explain what is going on. I deliberately avoid jargon. I am still adding to it, and improving it, because it amuses me to think.

    Thanks for the Tom Beardon reference, it cleared up some points re the zero force motor control. It is the pulse that disturbes the aether(vortices quantum matter etc) creating a wave sort of.
    I like when you said about The Positive Lightning..they are rare and so also the fact that makes it very interseting!!! they are more Energetic than the frequent Negative Lightning, the differences are same as the Breakdown voltage(The Energy required to bring about the breakdown) in Positive Corona Discharge is lower than its Negative counter part... i'm sure the mechanism involves the Tesla Effect of Overunity Power Magnefication... i wounder under what circumstance does that happen in the Nature..????
    E.V Gray is belived to have studied Lightning for years..and he does mention the role of differences of pressure in the atmoisphere to do with the Lethal Charge transformation (i.e the Power Magnification of Positive Lightning from a Negative Lighting Charge.. ) if we understand the commanalities between the E.V Gray and the Papp Engine and other Pulsed Plasma Energy phenomenon or even thw Water Explosion by Electric Discharges.. which is of the Tesla Effect then we have made it!!!!
    BTW it is not my intention to use bombastic jargons..but every complex things are their simplest forms in this Universe.. hence it is my hope to be the closest to it...
    Rgds,
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    Last edited by Faraday88; 12-03-2016 at 07:31 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Handy andy View Post
    F**K I just finished reading Tom Beardon and John Bedini. It is good, I picked it up again, it confirmed a lot of what I was thinking, but dare not write. High voltage pulses defy the 2nd law of thermodynamics and cause asymmetric fluctuations in the Aether, Vacuum, Vortices in Space, Quantum Material what ever you want to call it allowing negative energy out. Reversing the field on the ZFM motor at the correct time should do just that. On average a uniform field of Aether, Vacuum, Vortices, Quantum Material etc on exists in space and can be disturbed, I !!!!!!!!!!!! knew it. The cooling experienced in the circuit elements is the Peltier effect whereby conduction is like semiconductors using holes(positrons) and electrons. Tom missed that in his book.

    Thanks Faraday for the nudge
    Hey Andy,
    Thanks for that littel pat..! I remember Tom differentiating the causal Positron with the Virtual Particle flux (polarized Vacuum) by a Dipole..will post where exactly you may read.. that later.. secondly, Pielter cooling is a direct consequence of Thermodynamic differiential (Hot and cold Junctions),this co-effeicent is high in semiconductors (for Pielter and Seeback effects) and hence is prominent in Semiconductors as compared to metals.. any ways that was just a mention of it.. Tom did not include it coz holes cannot be compared with Positron other than their Positivity..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Handy andy View Post
    Another of Tom Beardon's book's suggests Modified, or Doped conductors is absolutely essential to make radiant energy from the environment work, normal copper wire just wont work properly (low grade copper full of impurities might work). Doped copper or something with a long delay time is required to allow the electrons to be energised with out moving, but I guess you all new that. Fast switching of potentials and modified conductors with long delay times seems to be the trick then.

    Quantum matter is temporary fluctuations or vortices in space. All matter is made of vortices of varying strengths. Quantum matter just doesn't ordinarily have enough strength in its vortices to become permanent, it splashes in and out of existence. Quantum charges collide with each other giving off back ground radiation. CMBR as evidence for the big bang is total and utter crap of cosmic proportions.

    Based on Teslas radiant energy working!, Lightning must get its positrons in a similar way (to what Tom Beardon writes over many books mentioned above), using a huge plasma discharge of -ve charges creates an electromagnetic wave travelling outwards, momentarily forcing charged quantum matter away from the strike. This all implodes back in from all directions around where the lightning was, colliding creating bigger waves which become positrons, these can also mix with remaining electrons and positive ions to form lightning balls. It could also be that the heat of the strike causes the hydrogen ions to break down into a positron and a neutron giving off a gamma ray.

    It is these positrons on a smaller scale that are radiant energy. Positrons will not flow in copper wire due to the conduction and valence band of metal being full of electrons, they must flow along the outside in a none metal,( or doped copper). This none metal conductor of atoms could be taken directly into the battery acid at the -ve end of the battery, and avoid the losses associated with electrons and positrons eating each other, in the electron loaded lead terminals of batteries.

    I have a few explanations for where positrons come from and how to get hydrogen from water.

    Thank you Faraday 88 for your comments.

    I will write it all up with a few extra thoughts on things I am into and publish it, with no scary maths or confusing explanations.

    Is anyone interested in any of the above?, was it simple enough to understand?, does anyone think I might be onto anything new,? is this all stuff you all know anyway?.

    Unless anyone has comments, I'm done on this topic.

    Kindest Regards

    Andy
    Hey Andy,

    Very interesting indeed! ok this is how i would say on this topic... Positron-electron annihilation is a temporal fusion reaction..which means that this results as a Spatial Fission byproduct, in essence, we have a true Vacuum Polarization interaction the by product of which as we know is a Neutrino, a scalar wave-particle result..! yes! a particle spontaneously produced out of nowhere.. now look, these reaction are no doubt asymmetrical reguaging mechanism..the question posed is why do'nt particle physicists at CERN use Asymmetrical Regauging to have Overunity involved in pushing the particle this way you can do the acceleration and produce more Energy than used in doing so...
    what i'm saying is exactly what Stan showed us in his EPG system do the same with Sub-atomic Particle and you have Free Energy for all!
    Rgds,
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    Last edited by Faraday88; 12-05-2016 at 09:07 PM.
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