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  • #16
    Early Test Results 8-coiler

    This first test was intended to be preliminary.
    Purpose, to simply get it up and running and take a look around at it.

    It runs on one transistor.
    It runs for a while then rolls to a stop.
    The ne2 bulb lights up when the charge side is disconnected.
    There is accompanying audio as this happens.
    It puts a charge to the charge battery.

    RPM my first guess is around 100.
    26 inch wheel presently with 31 magnets. ( This will be adjusted probably downwards to 24 in the next test ).
    12vdc 7aH gel cells, not brand new.

    If a piezo buzzer such as Radio Shack 273-0059 is connected across one of he coils, there is
    output sufficient to activate the buzzer. However as the test continued, this changed,
    and the buzzer itself was not up to volume. My explanation for this is REMF buildup.
    Also, the buzzer emitted a sound similar to static towards the end of the test.

    Other things being equal, this test is counted as 'successful'.

    - Coye

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    • #17
      Are these voltage readings correct?

      When the board is connected, there is a voltage drop of approximately
      22.6 vdc between certain points on the board and the charge battery.

      Specifically, at the terminal block screws numbers 1, 4, 7, 10, 13...
      Or, reading from the left, the first one, then every 4th one has a reading of 22.6 vdc.

      My question is, is this OK, and what should the other readings be, with the batteries
      connected, and everything set for manual start? I mean with one transistor connected, etc.

      - Coye

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      • #18
        Results

        At 204 rpm, the machine outputs
        pulsating dc about 5.5 volts,
        with load of 60 leds.

        Estimated current output is 300 ma.

        26" wheel, 18 magnets.

        - Coye
        Last edited by Coye; 02-10-2013, 03:55 PM. Reason: to add wheel size and number of magnets

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Coye View Post
          Results

          At 204 rpm, the machine outputs
          pulsating dc about 5.5 volts,
          with load of 60 leds.

          Estimated current output is 300 ma.

          26" wheel, 18 magnets.

          - Coye
          Coye

          please upload pictures of your machine... are you running 1 coil with 9 srands? 8 power 1 trigger? you say its an 8 coiler.... why are you running leds, its meant to charge batteries.

          Tom C
          Last edited by Tom C; 02-10-2013, 10:35 PM.


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          • #20
            Originally posted by Tom C View Post
            Coye

            please upload pictures of your machine... are you running 1 coil with 9 srands? 8 power 1 trigger? you say its an 8 coiler.... why are you running leds, its meant to charge batteries.

            Tom C
            Tom C
            First a word of thanks to you personally, and to all else concerned, for the forum,
            and for answers to early questions. The pictures will follow soon hereafter.

            The machine is 8 strands of #23 wire, and the circuit is 8 transistors total. Of course
            one coil is the trigger, and the others are the power windings. One transistor is not
            connected to anything. So it is running on 7 transistors. This factoid is part of
            my learning curve.

            Since early on, it has been charging batteries. I am using gel cells, 12v 7ah.
            I have been experimenting with capabilities of this machine, as pertains
            to output. For example, I recently connected two such batteries to the
            charge side. I have been adding banks of 15 white leds. The ones I am
            using are available from a local autoparts. They come in a package designed
            for decorating interior of cars and such. See the pics when I post them.

            Recently the digital meter began acting strange -- but I have few words to
            describe. I believe the meter itself is doing as it should however.

            Today's experiment was to disconnect the charge side batteries ( two in parallel ) and
            connect the led banks, four of them, for total of 60.

            The machine is powered from the run side by a power supply.

            Pictures to follow in time; thanks again.

            - Coye
            Last edited by Coye; 02-10-2013, 11:43 PM. Reason: technical

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            • #21
              This is a picture of what the machine looks like when it is running,
              connected on the charge side to two batteries and four
              banks of leds -- 60 leds in all.
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              Picture #2 shows the power supply with the attached
              volt meter.

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              Picture #3 shows the circuit board. The
              circuit board is supported underneath
              by small blocks of wood. The wires
              from the coil are routed from the
              spool, underneath the circuit board,
              and on toward and through a terminal block.

              Picture #4
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              In picture #4, the coil wires are attached to
              clip leads. One clip lead goes to the circuit
              board and the other one goes to the
              welding rod, which functions as a buss bar.

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              The trigger coil resistors.

              Pictures #6 & #7
              See below.
              Last edited by Coye; 02-11-2013, 11:31 AM.

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              • #22
                please get rid of the clip leads they will cause the smoke to come out of your components when one accidently comes off... you would be better off running from a battery for the primary. the spike has no where to go on the primary.

                Tom


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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Tom C View Post
                  please get rid of the clip leads they will cause the smoke to come out of your components when one accidently comes off... you would be better off running from a battery for the primary. the spike has no where to go on the primary.

                  Tom
                  How right you are indeed. Lose the clip leads and replace with shorter wires, different wire size, permanent
                  connections. Replace power supply with battery.

                  I have two more photos to post somewhere -- the upper limit per post is 5, and I have 7.

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                  • #24
                    Pictures 6 and 7 of 7.

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                    Showing the charge side.

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                    Showing the machine running
                    and the batteries charging.

                    - Coye
                    Last edited by Coye; 02-11-2013, 11:48 AM.

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                    • #25
                      Experiment to light a light bulb using 8-coiler is a success.
                      Yesterday and today.

                      The details of this experiment are to follow in this and following posts, maybe.

                      Light bulb description and details:
                      GE helical 13W 120VAC 60Hz 180mA

                      Procedure used:
                      1. connect a weak and strong battery in series to the charge side;
                      2. connect a VAM and set it to VDC 200 scale;
                      3. connect the power source;
                      4. give the wheel a manual start.

                      5. with machine running at full rpm connect the light bulb.
                      6. disconnect the ground terminal of the good battery.
                      7. the light bulb lights up with steady output.

                      The meter readout increases and settles at 50 VDC.

                      Change the meter dial to VAC on the 200 scale.
                      The readout settles at 100, plus a decimal value.

                      Caution: The NE2s will light during this experiment.

                      Conclusion: The machine has an output capability matching or exceeding the light bulb's requirement.

                      Comments and/or questions welcome.

                      - Coye

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                      Last edited by Coye; 06-12-2013, 06:31 AM. Reason: add pic

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                      • #26
                        It plays the radio !!!

                        A scalar standing wave is created in the coil.
                        The coil develops an audible hum.
                        The scalar is an EM vector potential.
                        The EM vector potential goes to the battery, and keeps it charged.

                        Let's create a discussion: Why is the radio playing?

                        - Coye

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                        Helpful diagrams are on page 40.

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                        The above picture: When I attached a rectifier to the output, things
                        began to happen. First, the machine acted like it didn't want to run.
                        Because of my brainwashing, I had been under the impression that
                        in order for the charge battery to receive a charge, the wheel had to
                        be turning. I found out that when the coil goes into oscillation, the
                        charge battery gets charged from the coil. And I learned that while
                        in conditions of oscillation, the coil draws power from the run battery.
                        I learned also that a dead battery on the charge side would receive
                        a charge and become what I have since termed a virtual battery.

                        I explain virtual battery by comparing it to the so called RAMdrive
                        program in early computer science, whereby a portion of the
                        computer's RAM memory is reserved to act like an ordinary disk
                        drive. Nowadays we have the virtual PC.

                        So to illustrate that there is a virtual battery installed on this
                        machine, I took this picture of what two voltmeters are showing.
                        The one on the right shows the actual voltage of the charge battery.
                        The one on the left shows the reading of the virtual battery plus
                        the default battery. Understand.

                        As I write this, the radio is still playing. And it has been playing
                        continuously for about 8 hours. Yesterday I connected the radio
                        for the first time, and it played for 10 hours. This particular radio unit is
                        a multiband scanner type, and it is tuned to WX frequency, and
                        is giving the weather report every 5 minutes or so. It is designed
                        to operate from a wall adapter, or from a 12 vdc power plug. It
                        is connected through such a plug, and the plug is connected to
                        a rectifier, and the rectifier is connected to the output side of the
                        machine.

                        Comments? C'mon guys. I want some feedback. Thanks.


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                        Added on 7-16-2013
                        By experiment, this machine plays a small television.
                        It will also run a USB fan for about 10 seconds -- or until the
                        charge of the virtual battery is depleted. Also, when I
                        first connected the radio to the battery, it loaded the
                        battery and did not play.
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                        Last edited by Coye; 07-16-2013, 05:18 AM. Reason: to add comments below pic 4

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