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    Hi Richard,

    RS_ is right here. Please do yourself a favour and leave the 9.4V crappy battery for later on. You'll do much better understanding this tech if you learn with good equipment from the get go.

    Believe me that your 9.4V junk battery and a good 12v battery will behave completely differently. In fact, you won't even be able to tune your setup properly with that junk battery.

    John K.

  2. #282
    Thanks for the info.

    Waiting for inverter to arrive to discharge second battery I have. I could use the small 12v fans that I used for discharging when I built my first SSG using 7AH sealed batteries. I want to desulfate a battery, but your right, wait to later and use the cap dump to charge a battery as JB explained in his DVD so that you can switch the primary battery with the charge battery. I recall that JB talked about swapping batteries (primary and charge) and mentioned that if you want to swap batteries that the charge battery is charged using a cap dump and would not work after a while if you didn't.

    I look at using a cap dump as an isolation circuit that the SSG will see to help keep it tuned. I keep watching Part 37 "The Linear Amplifier Regulator" and more parts to get while waiting for inverter since I plan on eventually using a bank of batteries like a solar or wind generator would use. Slowly building up to that time. I will try the light bulb in the trigger circuit to see how the circuit acts as an experiment. In electronics, I see the light bulb as a constant current source which many ckt's, especially in audio equipment use. I'm curious about it and never knew about it until I seen Ron Pugh's circuit in Chapter 6: Pulse-Charging Battery Systems from "A Practical Guide to Free-Energy Devices" by Patrick J. Kelly I came across some years back after learning about JB and his work. Then RS has it in his ckt's, but why did it burn out in the presentation, not the right type of bulb? Ron Pugh's ckt used a 6W 12v car bulb in series with a 100 ohm resister and a 100 ohm pot and also a 470 ohm base resistor. Just curious...

    Thanks for feedback John, been a while since you commented on a post I made back a few years when I questioned PL and Aaron about where is the third SG book since it was mentioned about in book 1 and 2. You asked why I like to see a 3rd book, well, we do have a new coil to play with now. Peter and Aaron did a great job with the third book.

    Well, back to the drawing board, working on a battery swapper for the SSG. Thanks again...

    Richard D.

  3. #283
    Richard,

    The Bulb blew out at the conference because We got in a hurry, and did not install the SG output cables.....
    MY BAD.....!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS_ View Post
    Richard,

    The Bulb blew out at the conference because We got in a hurry, and did not install the SG output cables.....
    MY BAD.....!!!
    Hi RS,
    Wonder how an incandecent bulb can blow up when the out put is unhooked? unless the trigger is really very strong..
    Rgds,
    Faraday88.
    'The Magnetic Field is the gatekeeper of the Wheather on the Earth'' - John Bedini.

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    just lucky that it did not kill the Transistor, and just the killed bulb ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS_ View Post
    just lucky that it did not kill the Transistor, and just the killed bulb ....
    An Incandecent bulb would have high RC time constant so it is a RCD snubber circuit to protect a semiconductor device like the transistor in our case here, R would be used as a bleeder resistor that drains down accumalated Charge in the connected Capacitor.
    but these are in the collector circuit.
    now, the light bulb being in the trigger circuit (to the base circuit of the transistor),if blows out would mean that the base would also be hit hard!! I use a 2 watt 630/470 Ohm base resistors in my SSG circuits to ensure they withstand the heat dissiapation.. (they run warm to the touch) I think one can use the light bulb in place of the branch(Global) resistor feeding the other resistors.
    so a 15W light bulb is appropriate in this position.
    Rgds,
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    Hello all,

    I'm back with some questions and pictures about my setup with some things happening that is different than I read. I am using two new deep cycle batteries with a PL rotor and setup from Teslagenx and 8 transistor kit. I am still only using one drive coil, #20 trigger and 4 #18 for my experiments. Right now I am closer than ever to getting this thing going with some experimentation to see what happens. I started out adjusting the coil to find correct spacing for my setup with highest speed and lowest current draw. I think I am at the right spacing of approximately 1/2", similar to what Peter mentioned in the video. Earlier I played with spacing as mentioned earlier here and had two pulses. Now I got it to one pulse consistently, even at startup since I monitor everything from the beginning with scope connected to one coil output. Now to try and add pictures so I can talk about what I have seen so far.
    P6090004_01.jpgP6110014.jpg

    P6120006.jpg

    Hope this works, first time doing this here and hope pics display in order as I entered them.

    First pic is at highest speed of 780 rpm after adjusting trigger with set coil distance. One pulse that looks similar to brodonh pic but with smaller spike. The scope for this pic is in AC mode and you can see what the scope settings are too. 20v/div shows something positive here in terms of the spike voltage. Then I was curious at adjusting the trigger setting and noticed that the spike started to get bigger with the pulse staying the same. I did not know which way I was turning the pot but ended up at the end of pot and now there was just the 100 ohm base resistor with the highest spike! Doing this, the rpm dropped to 530 rpm, but the pulse is very stable. This must be one of the "sweet spots" of the setup to get a single pulse with a high spike because the current draw at low rpm's is about 2.7 amps where it is 1.2 amp at fastest speed with single pulse! The last pic is of what the battery see's at the + term.

    Over the last few days, I had my setup running for a while and then stop it to come back the next day to start it up and see what happens on the e-scope. Starts up at the very beginning as a single pulse with a changing PW which is normal as frequency increases and the spike is the same amplitude as seen in the pic right off the bat!!!

    I need to find the "sweet spot" for lower amp draw to continue with project with same results as seen in the pics if not better.

    I'll be back...
    Last edited by rdvideo; 06-12-2018 at 10:46 PM. Reason: wrong picture

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    Quote Originally Posted by rdvideo View Post
    Hello all,

    I'm back with some questions and pictures about my setup with some things happening that is different than I read. I am using two new deep cycle batteries with a PL rotor and setup from Teslagenx and 8 transistor kit. I am still only using one drive coil, #20 trigger and 4 #18 for my experiments. Right now I am closer than ever to getting this thing going with some experimentation to see what happens. I started out adjusting the coil to find correct spacing for my setup with highest speed and lowest current draw. I think I am at the right spacing of approximately 1/2", similar to what Peter mentioned in the video. Earlier I played with spacing as mentioned earlier here and had two pulses. Now I got it to one pulse consistently, even at startup since I monitor everything from the beginning with scope connected to one coil output. Now to try and add pictures so I can talk about what I have seen so far.
    P6090004_01.jpgP6110014.jpg

    P6120006.jpg

    Hope this works, first time doing this here and hope pics display in order as I entered them.

    First pic is at highest speed of 780 rpm after adjusting trigger with set coil distance. One pulse that looks similar to brodonh pic but with smaller spike. The scope for this pic is in AC mode and you can see what the scope settings are too. 20v/div shows something positive here in terms of the spike voltage. Then I was curious at adjusting the trigger setting and noticed that the spike started to get bigger with the pulse staying the same. I did not know which way I was turning the pot but ended up at the end of pot and now there was just the 100 ohm base resistor with the highest spike! Doing this, the rpm dropped to 530 rpm, but the pulse is very stable. This must be one of the "sweet spots" of the setup to get a single pulse with a high spike because the current draw at low rpm's is about 2.7 amps where it is 1.2 amp at fastest speed with single pulse! The last pic is of what the battery see's at the + term.

    Over the last few days, I had my setup running for a while and then stop it to come back the next day to start it up and see what happens on the e-scope. Starts up at the very beginning as a single pulse with a changing PW which is normal as frequency increases and the spike is the same amplitude as seen in the pic right off the bat!!!

    I need to find the "sweet spot" for lower amp draw to continue with project with same results as seen in the pics if not better.

    I'll be back...
    Someone can correct me if I'm reading this wrong, it looks to me like you are getting around 900 volt spikes. The scope is set for 20 volts per line and you are using a 10X probe. Your scope is showing 4 1/2 divisions which is 90 volts multiplied by the 10x probe. Looks good to me. Keep adjusting for the lower amp draw. Great job.

  9. #289
    Sorry Brian, that is not how it works....

    If the Scope is set to a 10X probe, and the probe is set to 10X, than it will read 20V per division.......

    The 2nd pic shows a 10x scope setting, DC coupling, and 20V per division.

    If you measure the spike only from the top of the wave form as normal, it measures aprox 60V

    Where the whole wave form P to P measures aprox 90V

    This is where i really like my 200Mz PicoScope, because i can set the measurement lines to see the exact voltage's for each part of the wave form....
    Last edited by RS_; 06-13-2018 at 08:43 PM.

  10. #290
    Hi all,

    I added the extra 1N4007 diode to the base diode for a two diode drop at the base according to RS setup. The only difference it made was to increase the current draw from 2.7 amps to 3.6 amps with nothing else changed and the scope showed nothing different. The setup starts with a single pulse as before. I have not changed anything else in my setup; doing one thing at a time and taking notes. I have on order the 3060 diode to see what that does to the setup before anything else. I guess it's time to play with coil distance and see what happens. Any suggestion are welcomed...

    rdvideo (Richard D)

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