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    Quote Originally Posted by Spokane1 View Post
    Dear Faraday88,

    According to the photographer who took those photos there were no visible arcs in those CEST grids. The photos were taken when the engine was not running. He thought those bright segments were reflections from his flash.

    A lot of people have made a big deal about what they think they see in those photos. It certainly confuses the issue. Consider a simple engineering analysis. If those light streaks are indeed classical arcs then there is a dielectric breakdown taking place at that location. I observe several such arcs between all of the grids. Now the "Grids" were disclosed in the 1986 patent to have all been connected together. Therefore it would be impossible for all these series arcs to take place. If the patent is miss-leading and there is indeed a voltage breakdown between each of the four "Grids" shown then there has got to be a huge potential gradient present - say on the order of 50 kV. The rest of the system does not appear to be set up for this kind of voltage handling. But this is just my take on it.

    If this photo provides your imagination with some inspiration then go where it leads you.

    Mark McKay
    Hi Mark,
    There is one thing that makes the Spark gap to take place between the Grids, I shall post my Schematic (which is hand drawn), and this is in perfect compliance with the Bedini method of Discharging the Capacitor accross the Battery.Yes, the debate on which Polarity is Switched and this is where the essence of all this is present.
    If one studies the advance SSG book where this is discussed (if not pin pointed and revealed).
    , which is true and then it appears that as per the 1986 Patent the connection between the Grids becoms a Red herring. but as per my understanding,the gaps are made good use of on the Requirment of Discharging the Capacitor accross the Battery/ Load coils...
    Well, this is as far as the Sparking between the Grid is considered, about the Spark-gap Cable theory, I contend that this is quite a vital element in accompalishing some feature of the Switching operation. all the more because these Spark-gaps appear at uniform segmentation (uniform) and are quite clear in the picture, I am not convinced that these are Reflections, alsoI have seen them Consistently in all the enclosed photos of the CSET set up. even if one speculates that there be no Spark cables then what are those Cables for..?
    Rgds,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spokane1 View Post
    April 30, 2015

    Dear E.V. Gray Researchers,

    This is just a note to let you know that I have not given up the faith in this adventure. The progress has been slow but some advancements have been made and I have to retract and re-do some statements and/or beliefs that I have had in the past.

    1. In one of my early historical timelines I maintained that the series of five (5) similar prototype motors (Models E-1 to E-5) were made in the late 60's. This is not correct. After taking a hard look at the electronic components used in their controller construction it became apparent that these machines were made in 1979 in Dodge City, KS. It seems that Gray was funded well enough to do an in depth study of this technology and improve upon the switching systems used. They also completely redesigned the electromagnets.

    2. In the after lecture white board discussion at the Bedini conference in 2012 I maintained that the source power supply was of a classical construction. I was completely wrong on that issue. In the attic audio tapes that were recovered by George Durnford in 2014 Mr. Hackenberger definitely pointed at the power transformer as being the source of the anomalous energy.

    3. In the early beginning (before 1972) it appears that the novel energy was generated from an external power supply. Then in 1973 they moved it into the EMA4-E2 using it both as an energy generator and torque converter. Then from 1976 on they moved it back to an external power supply. This makes reverse engineering much more difficult and hard to follow.

    4. I'm more convinced then ever that the "Converter Element Switching Tube" (CEST) was a Red Herring.

    5. More and more the circuit appears to be a Dual Bedini Motor on steroids. The big difference is the method employed to harvest the novel energy.

    6. It is interesting but there was absolutely no patent protection on the actual circuit topology use to generate the anomalous energy. As a result the surviving power supply was cleverly crafted to appear to be a common forward converter with a few minor wiring connections. However, when Al Francouer disassembled the power transformer that is where the non-classical construction became apparent. From looking at the outside it appears as a common .5 kW power transformer. The ferrite "E" core is deceiving.

    7. At the 2014 Bedini convention I proposed that the power supply was a "Resonate Mode Switching Power Supply". It is not. It is just like an isolated discontinuous buck-boost SMPS for the charging cycle. Then, because of the capacitor output loading, things change to more of an ignition transformer discharge process. The real divergence from classical power supply topology takes place after succeeding cycles.

    8. The concept of "split the positive" actually does have a technical meaning in how the harvested energy is collected. Two storage capacitors are needed.

    Maybe one of these days I shall figure out all these remaining clues and actually get somewhere with this technology.

    Spokane1
    Hi Spokane,

    Your points No 2, 3,5, & 8 are really Inspirational headers... I must state this..!!
    Especially the point no. 8 which talks about The Mutual Discharge between Two Capcitors can also be used to explain the Water Molecule Explosion by Radiant Electricity.
    I call it the Asymmetrical Discharge between Two Capacitors.
    Best Regards,
    Faraday88.
    Last edited by Faraday88; 05-04-2015 at 12:22 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron Murakami View Post
    With his batteries/caps series and paralleled - I believe it is closer to the "Tesla Switch" method.
    Hi Aaron,
    Indeed it is the same as JB patent 'Pulse charging a batttery and driving other decvices with a pulse'
    Rgds,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spokane1 View Post
    April 30, 2015

    Dear E.V. Gray Researchers,

    This is just a note to let you know that I have not given up the faith in this adventure. The progress has been slow but some advancements have been made and I have to retract and re-do some statements and/or beliefs that I have had in the past.

    1. In one of my early historical timelines I maintained that the series of five (5) similar prototype motors (Models E-1 to E-5) were made in the late 60's. This is not correct. After taking a hard look at the electronic components used in their controller construction it became apparent that these machines were made in 1979 in Dodge City, KS. It seems that Gray was funded well enough to do an in depth study of this technology and improve upon the switching systems used. They also completely redesigned the electromagnets.

    2. In the after lecture white board discussion at the Bedini conference in 2012 I maintained that the source power supply was of a classical construction. I was completely wrong on that issue. In the attic audio tapes that were recovered by George Durnford in 2014 Mr. Hackenberger definitely pointed at the power transformer as being the source of the anomalous energy.

    3. In the early beginning (before 1972) it appears that the novel energy was generated from an external power supply. Then in 1973 they moved it into the EMA4-E2 using it both as an energy generator and torque converter. Then from 1976 on they moved it back to an external power supply. This makes reverse engineering much more difficult and hard to follow.

    4. I'm more convinced then ever that the "Converter Element Switching Tube" (CEST) was a Red Herring.

    5. More and more the circuit appears to be a Dual Bedini Motor on steroids. The big difference is the method employed to harvest the novel energy.

    6. It is interesting but there was absolutely no patent protection on the actual circuit topology use to generate the anomalous energy. As a result the surviving power supply was cleverly crafted to appear to be a common forward converter with a few minor wiring connections. However, when Al Francouer disassembled the power transformer that is where the non-classical construction became apparent. From looking at the outside it appears as a common .5 kW power transformer. The ferrite "E" core is deceiving.

    7. At the 2014 Bedini convention I proposed that the power supply was a "Resonate Mode Switching Power Supply". It is not. It is just like an isolated discontinuous buck-boost SMPS for the charging cycle. Then, because of the capacitor output loading, things change to more of an ignition transformer discharge process. The real divergence from classical power supply topology takes place after succeeding cycles.

    8. The concept of "split the positive" actually does have a technical meaning in how the harvested energy is collected. Two storage capacitors are needed.

    Maybe one of these days I shall figure out all these remaining clues and actually get somewhere with this technology.

    Spokane1
    Dear Mark,
    Th Power supply topology is one of the Radiant Energy Gains in the System, apparently the Capacitor Charging. having said that, the there is a Gain in the Discharge phase as well. Imagine the system to be like Kromery generator with COP 2.8 or more IF THE OUT PUT IS A CHARGED CAPACITOR WHICH IS DISCHARGED IN ANOTHER SETOF KROMERY COIL(OR A G-FIELD COIL TO BE EXACT)..WHAT WOULD THE RESULT BE!!! Yes! its an replica of the input but with CONVERTED RADIANT GAIN..that can be stored back to the source battery, AND AT THE SAME TIME PRODUCE SERIOUS TORQUE!!
    The Hackenberger technical discussion paper clearly indicates that they were graduating slowly into using PLASMA EXPLOSIVE THRUST for torque that essentially replaces the repulsor coils. Indeed, this is nothing but the Papp Engine or the Recent Heinz Kolstermann's Pusler Plasma engine.
    https://youtu.be/lNSAXbZfnbE

    Rgds,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faraday88 View Post
    Hi Aaron,
    Indeed it is the same as JB patent 'Pulse charging a batttery and driving other decvices with a pulse'
    Rgds,
    Faraday88.
    At 18:53, doesn't it look like he is running it between the negatives of two battery sets? So maybe not Tesla Switch but the 3 battery system concept of splitting the positives, which is what Ed Gray was doing in a more violent manner.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlm6VjieRJQ
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron Murakami View Post
    At 18:53, doesn't it look like he is running it between the negatives of two battery sets? So maybe not Tesla Switch but the 3 battery system concept of splitting the positives, which is what Ed Gray was doing in a more violent manner.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlm6VjieRJQ
    Yes, this is exactly what he was doing + capacitors...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron Murakami View Post
    At 18:53, doesn't it look like he is running it between the negatives of two battery sets? So maybe not Tesla Switch but the 3 battery system concept of splitting the positives, which is what Ed Gray was doing in a more violent manner.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlm6VjieRJQ
    Hi Aaron,
    Indeed! the EV Gray system is so much like the 1984 Bedini Motor/Generator Single Battrey system, its also like the above patent i mentioned above.. an d as you rightly said its a Violent eversion of it. BTW Mr. Avisos has a red herring in this set up : the 'Ambient Energy antenna'' in the orange cylinderical structure placed horizontally. the Switching module is counld be sets of the IGBTs and PWM chip required to drive the topology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by min2oly View Post
    Yes, this is exactly what he was doing + capacitors...
    Very interesting! I remember something about that long time ago but never had time to look deeper into Avisio's work. Have you looked into it much?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faraday88 View Post
    red herring in this set up : the 'Ambient Energy antenna'' in the orange cylinderical structure placed horizontally
    I recall something like that on a car he was demonstrating and thought something similar about it being a distraction - not sure, haven't looked into it enough and I've never experimented with his process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron Murakami View Post
    I recall something like that on a car he was demonstrating and thought something similar about it being a distraction - not sure, haven't looked into it enough and I've never experimented with his process.
    Hi Aaron,
    Another interseting of Aviso's work is the ''FYMEGM' force https://youtu.be/7eCsVPmEjyQ
    This is really the EV Gary/Hackenberger type of Magnet popping experiment....he claims to use AA battery to Charge the Capacitor Charging circuit used to pop the coil..
    in the video the Magnet is seen popping the coil set of approxi 1 kg weight to 25 meters.. this is very overwhelming for the size of that AA battery doing this..
    Rgds,
    Faraday88.
    Last edited by Faraday88; 01-10-2018 at 06:53 AM. Reason: correction
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