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    Hi Mark,
    Greetings!
    Here is the website of Mr. Aviso Ismael who claims to have replicated E,V Gray Effect.
    AVISO Energy, Inc.
    he says that he was guided by Kone head and uses Low Impedence 'shorting of coils' as opposed to high Impedance mode in Bedini/Newmann cases.
    just to give my personal account of an interesting similar effect of Shorting of the coil action:
    A simple PMDC motor, when run by a 12v d.c input(Battery), if is interrupted by Causing a momentary(Switched) Short accross the terminal gives tremendous Jerks to the Pulse of this Short... i wonder if this is the same 'shorting' that Aviso and Kone head are refering to..???? the captured Back e.m.f to the Pulse if stored in a Capacitor?????
    Just my guesses...
    more later, bye for now,
    Rgds,
    Faraday88.
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    Revelations of the ema black box by Alan Francoeur

    Greetings Everyone

    I would like to add information to this discussion. Mark M and Peter L were here in the past long before the conference and I showed them the synchronous dynamotor set up Edwin Gray had and the gold/brown ema motor cart with the (no one knew what it was at the time) black box power supply and we had plenty to talk about. No one knew what this device was until I started my in depth research and study into this very interesting technology and related the concepts to my observations of the rogue waves I witness from waves in lakes leading to the standing wave using electrical terms.

    I have come to the conclusion and realization that this technology is in fact a dual channel solid state standing wave generator power supply constructed by Mr. Richard Hackenberger before he died. I also realized Richard H also sabotaged this power supply in such as way so as only one single channel would activate allowing for the sanding wave effect to not manifest while the device produces sparks. Both channels in this black box power supply need to function in order for the standing wave effect to work and only Richard H would of had the knowledge to deactivate the sw effect in such a way as to not be noticed by anyone, including Edwin Gray and all the others that worked with him after Richard H pass on. That is until I got my hands on this power supply using critical observation as I always do.

    This is very revealing and I think Richard H must of had issues or discrepancies with Edwin Gray, and or he disagreed with the path they were on at the time for some reason leading to miss trust, and he deactivated the standing wave effect in such as way that power supply appeared to operate normally but with only one active channel. No one with the team knew or noticed anything out of the ordinary so the research continued without Richard H from then on after he passed. It is my understanding this led to the development of the trigger cart with the new team Edwin Gray picked as they needed huge energy to run the motors that were rewired to run on gl-7171 ignitrons, killing any over unity possibilities. Without Richard H around any more, they must have tried the deactivated sw power supply on the motor and found it would not produce enough power to run the motor, and so the trigger cart was developed to run the motors off 240 volts ac grid current with a plug in the wall. Edwin Gray did not know or realize what Richard H did to the power supply and I am convinced he did not fully understand it either, other wise he could of reactivated it as I am in the process of doing. You would not have noticed this change just by first appearance but I noticed it very shortly after I began to reverse engineer the circuits myself. There is nothing in any of the ema patents that describe the functions of this power supply at all.

    I am not here to disclose the circuits, I am here just to enlighten you of my contributions to the field and let the actual hardware speak for itself. I closed my alfenergy series of groups for many reasons I will not go into on this forum and I may not be here on this forum long anyways, but I thought I better let you all know of my findings thus far.

    Good day.

    Alan Francoeur
    Magnetic Energy Systems
    BC, Canada.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spokane1 View Post
    Dear Kevin,

    Drop me an email at mmckay@simplexgrinnell.com and I shall send you my latest paper "E. V. Gray Reverse Engineering Top 10 Hints", Right now it is a 26 page Word document that is 80% complete. I also have another paper on my WAG in combining the Eric Dollard circuit with Tesla circuits in one solution to the push-pull topology of the Gray power supply.

    I don't have (and neither does anybody else) a complete understanding of the Gray converter circuit. All we have are hints about its general consturction.

    I have found that the Bedini Motor system and the Gray converter seem to share some common principles, however Gray's team was able to make some kind of modification that increased the novel output by a factor of 100X.

    Mark McKay, PE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Francoeur View Post
    Greetings Everyone

    I would like to add information to this discussion. Mark M and Peter L were here in the past long before the conference and I showed them the synchronous dynamotor set up Edwin Gray had and the gold/brown ema motor cart with the (no one knew what it was at the time) black box power supply and we had plenty to talk about. No one knew what this device was until I started my in depth research and study into this very interesting technology and related the concepts to my observations of the rogue waves I witness from waves in lakes leading to the standing wave using electrical terms.

    I have come to the conclusion and realization that this technology is in fact a dual channel solid state standing wave generator power supply constructed by Mr. Richard Hackenberger before he died. I also realized Richard H also sabotaged this power supply in such as way so as only one single channel would activate allowing for the sanding wave effect to not manifest while the device produces sparks. Both channels in this black box power supply need to function in order for the standing wave effect to work and only Richard H would of had the knowledge to deactivate the sw effect in such a way as to not be noticed by anyone, including Edwin Gray and all the others that worked with him after Richard H pass on. That is until I got my hands on this power supply using critical observation as I always do.

    This is very revealing and I think Richard H must of had issues or discrepancies with Edwin Gray, and or he disagreed with the path they were on at the time for some reason leading to miss trust, and he deactivated the standing wave effect in such as way that power supply appeared to operate normally but with only one active channel. No one with the team knew or noticed anything out of the ordinary so the research continued without Richard H from then on after he passed. It is my understanding this led to the development of the trigger cart with the new team Edwin Gray picked as they needed huge energy to run the motors that were rewired to run on gl-7171 ignitrons, killing any over unity possibilities. Without Richard H around any more, they must have tried the deactivated sw power supply on the motor and found it would not produce enough power to run the motor, and so the trigger cart was developed to run the motors off 240 volts ac grid current with a plug in the wall. Edwin Gray did not know or realize what Richard H did to the power supply and I am convinced he did not fully understand it either, other wise he could of reactivated it as I am in the process of doing. You would not have noticed this change just by first appearance but I noticed it very shortly after I began to reverse engineer the circuits myself. There is nothing in any of the ema patents that describe the functions of this power supply at all.

    I am not here to disclose the circuits, I am here just to enlighten you of my contributions to the field and let the actual hardware speak for itself. I closed my alfenergy series of groups for many reasons I will not go into on this forum and I may not be here on this forum long anyways, but I thought I better let you all know of my findings thus far.

    Good day.

    Alan Francoeur
    Magnetic Energy Systems
    BC, Canada.
    al.f@telus.net


    Hi Alan,
    Great to even hear from you!!!!!! i have a few questions on the original motor:
    1) which series of the EMA motor is in your possession?
    2) I remember reading that Gray used an Alternator to back charge his primary batteries.. is it not a fact that the Radiant Burst of the Capacitor discharge is an Intergral part of the entrie E.V Gray effect of gain in repulsive force in the Electromagnets..???? then if so why would he use an Altenator..?
    3)How different is the E.v Gray Static-Generator(see Peter Lindemann's website) (invertor) from the Motor Power supply??? does it include Radiant Pulse -discharge out of a Capacitor..?
    request for you insight on the above.
    Thank you,
    rgds,
    Faraday88.

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    hi Mike,
    Thanks for that littel brain fresher you gave.. i have been away from the E.V Gray for while now, but not any more... i have to start building and confirm my understanding of how exactly the motor was built.... one thing for sure is the Coil popping effect which is fundamental.
    i have not seen Aaron's coil popping demonstaration in the video, but i'm keen to see it.. if Aaron has done it then the effect is replicated for sure...the motor is the techonological aspect of this Effect.
    The other interesting aspect is the E.V Gray Inverter, which demonstartes the Cold-Electricity lit bulb under water, this is a prominent testimony of Cold -Electricity.
    rgds,
    Faraday88.

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    Just for clarification, that is still pretty much how I see it working except I do now give more credit to the low voltage than I did before.

    With the aetheric gas pressure analogies (which I don't think is an analogy, it is literal) - positive potential is a positive pressure and negative potential is a negative pressure.

    The HV + is normally associated with its normal low current. The LV + is normally associated with its normal higher current. But over the gap, we have the high pressure positive being pulled by a stronger suction than it is normally associated with - the suction being the negative pressure from the current of the low voltage cap. That is why the cap discharge is accelerated. There absolutely is a negative resistor effect happening where the cap discharge is like jumping into a suction instead of discharging into a positive resistance.

    This is where I ended my experiments:



    Now the LV source I've use is a cap. Gray (Cole) used a battery. I have not been able to get a battery to discharge over the gap as the LV source. However, I think if I could, everything would be taken to the next level.

    If the cap discharge was 4000v 2 to 4 uf and that discharged across the gap into an opposite diode/triode and that shut off, that big 4000v discharge I think would be enough to ionize the gap enough for the battery to follow over. That is exactly where I would take the experiments next if I had time to work on it. I know for a fact that the cap in this LV arrangement does indeed discharge in a way where the impedences/resistances that it normally pushes into disappears or at least is greatly reduced for 2/3 of the cap discharge. If that was the case with a battery, with that kind of ultra fast current impulse, faster that it normally is supposed to discharge, I think we'll see what we're looking for. Just my opinion of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BroMikey View Post
    Someone else must have done some work thinking about this?
    There are a few that made a motor spin using the concept I describe.

    Here's my path on this whole Ed Gray (really Marvin Cole) method.

    I read Peter's book and Secrets of Cold War Technology. Soon after John Bedini released his old notes from his visits to Gray's shop. The whole kicker for me was the reverse diode that John showed, which was opposite from the triode position in Gray's patent. The way John shows it - that is the only thing that ever made sense to me but unfortunately, most people (not just most but virtually everyone) could simply not get past the per-conceived idea that the diode is a "blocking diode" in that position so the HV could not jump to the LV rod. I find it hard to believe that nobody knows how a diode works and I find it even harder to believe that I was the only one that actually did the experiments that showed that how John showed it makes complete sense.

    This video shows that the diodes in this reversed position opposing the HV rod absolutely are not blocking anything.

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    If you place a diode on the positive of a battery and use a multimeter and place the ground of the v meter to the ground and positive to the cathode of the diode, you will see the battery voltage (minus any voltage drop). The only reason you see the voltage on the end of the diode is because in this situation, the diode is 100% completely open - therefore, if there is a common ground with a HV source, that HV will see a complete open path to ground through that diode since the diode is completely open. It is only AFTER the diode gets hit with that higher voltage on the cathode than what is on the anode will it shut off and start blocking - only after but not before. Therefore, the diode is not a blocking diode, gives an easy path for the HV back to common ground THEN the diode closes and the HV will have to find a lower resistance path to ground, which will be the 2nd gap - over to the grid, through the inductor back to ground.

    Once some people started posting experiments on the "water sparkplug" deal - someone told me to look at it at overunity.com. I saw it and saw that the explanations of what was happening were completely ludicrous. Their LV source was from AC from the wall or from an inverter. So many people claimed the "effect" of the plasma blast came from the AC - this was all an attempt to replicate S1R's water powered car claims. His schematic showed rectified inverter output over a gap with low voltage. But what I saw from the bridge arrangement in relation to the rest of the circuit was the opposing diode concept, which they absolutely did not believe when I pointed it out.

    Therefore, to prove once and for all that the plasma effect didn't have anything to do with AC from the wall being involved, I did this experiment:



    I charged the cap and disconnected the cap from the power supply proving indisputably that this special plasma effect isn't coming from the wall AC. My explanation even way back then is still taking about the HV jumping into the diodes to the LV, closing diodes off the moving over the gap.

    The water mist explodes on that high speed accelerated plasma discharge but then reassembles to water and shrinks in volume - similar to common "hho" gas. No real thermal explosive energy. So I was thinking if I put a choke on the ground, perhaps I can limit the current and thus limit the electrons at the gap to make it harder for the h and o to reassemble to water - thereby making it more unstable and perhaps allowing for a real thermal explosion.
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    What did that experiment with the choke do? It made the plasma go SILENT and it turned GREEN.

    Here is that experiment:



    The camera doesn't do it justice. The event is so fast that it hardly captures the light blast or the loud pop.

    In any case, you can see absolutely the plasma went silent while making the same light, etc... But with an inductors, it can make sound if some variables changed - in any case, I don't know anyone else that has ever shown this effect.

    Anyway, what you see is the silent light show here. HOWEVER, you see the wires on the spool bobbing about. As soon as I saw that, I automatically knew I had a motor where the coil was pulsed with this ultra fast cap discharge - discharging faster than normal because of the negative resistance effect of the HV positive pulling on the LV current - emptying the cap faster than normal. Without making energy gain claims - it absolutely is a power increase above and beyond what is normally supposed to be possible. Again - lots of testing needs to be done.

    So, you can see where my idea of turning this into a motor came from. I saw that wire jumping on that "choke" to get the silent plasma and I didn't say anything for months. Nobody liked my explanations that AC was irrelevant to the effect, etc... so I stopped posting anything radically different that what was already posted.

    But you can see that the video with the motor running, it goes quite fast even if it only pulsed about once every 5 rotations because the cap charging couldn't keep up. And, that geometry of coil and rotor is a poor design for the purposes of mechanical work. I'd do long coils with long magnets and if that had 3 sets every 120 degrees, it will be very strong.

    One test I did before was launching a magnet of a certain weight into the air starting with a known amount of joules of potential in the cap. The magnet went higher than that many joules should have allowed it to go. It was a crude test, but nevertheless, was always in the back of my mind that it needs to be tested. Even if there is a common cap discharge to launch the magnet verses the reverse diodes plasma effect, it needs to be studied in my opinion because there is something there lurking in the shadows. lol

    In any case, that is a rough synopsis of my path on the "Gray Tube" trail.

    In the end, everyone else was using secondary power supplies to get the plasma ignition effect but because of my interpretation of what John Bedini showed in his Gray Tube diagrams with the reverse diode, it was completely obvious that I can get the same effect with a single powers supply - one capacitor as the source for the input to the primary of an ignition coil and to simultaneously acts as the LV source in parallel with the gap. In my opinion, this can translate to the "Gray" technology. But as I mentioned before, I want the LV source to be a 12v car battery because if we can get the ultra fast discharge at negative resistance to blend with HV over the same gap, I think we'll see something even more phenomenal.
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    Here is the color difference in a good quality still photo with and without an inductor in series:

    whitegreentube.jpg

    So far, I still refuse to go along with any explanation from people that haven't even done the experiments who tell me that the green is because I'm using copper. Well.... without an inductor??? That is copper and it is pure white. In any case, the difference is unmistakable.
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    Hi Aaron,

    It reminds me of that Front page(of JB website) and DVD 'Radiant Event' demonstartion by John Bedini where he shorts out a Relativily Large Capacitor charged from a 7-coiler SSG charging it. It is just as similar to the Green Coluor your are refering to.. after the Radiant event Current catches up (seen as 'firey splinters')
    The Discharge ballast sound resonates in the room around..
    Rgds,
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