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Thread: Copper- Magnesium- Crystal Battery

  1. #21
    Update on few things, I have have running mix 5 for awhile now. One of the problems that I found with my cell is that it only ran with the earth light circuit for a few hours, with good illumination, then it went out. As most cells are constanstly changing their impedance values away must be devised to compensate easily. My cells seem to find their own impedance match to the LED's, the cell works in such a way that it does not want to create power in excess, like most I am thinking. In these photo's I am using a carbon rod anode / specially formed Mg cathode and a copper wire impedance ballancing circuit (8 ohm resistor) connected between the carbon rod and the copper wire. The earth light circuit now stays active and it LED is bright. I am using a LUX meter at a set distance to measure the power with and with out the circuit, the metering change the balance of the circuit when left connected or even used. This setup has been now running for the last 4 days with no loss and infact a small gain since it found its balanced.

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    2012-10-17 15.13.14.jpg2012-10-17 15.14.16.jpg The first is the combined voltage and then the voltage at the resistor.

  2. #22
    Attachment 939 127 Lux at 1 inch
    Attachment 940 .637 mV - Voltage without self impedance matching
    Attachment 937 - dimming
    Attachment 938 - 30 Lux at 1 inch without self impedance matching

    As you can see it does not the voltage loss is not great but it sure makes a difference to end result.

  3. #23
    okay here is some imaging - this the surface of the Mg after forming and being in use ... this cell was taken apart after 3 weeks of continuos use and was still working

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    The very light areas are not absorbing any electrons from the scope, the dark area circles/pockets - I call them energy aborbing pockets-are void of anything - spectrum analisys- vacuum if you want -as the imagery is done inside a vacuum - this a 3 layer formation - i do not have each layer formation at this time.
    Last edited by nickle989; 10-26-2012 at 01:45 PM.

  4. #24
    Okay, here is an update, the batteries continue to function.
    I added water to some of them to see about more energy output, it certainly did for a few days, but they started to grow crystals out, I did have to turn the heat on so this has made a difference along with the water. I do have a set that have not been touched and they are connected (4cell) to a 3 Led light and are left on continously(hallway light). I also put a small variation of the mix against a 3v lithium ion battery from a flickering tea light that lasted 6 days the 3 cell variation mix is still going strong, I used 2 flickering led's. I am quite happy with the performance. In the next post I will put the mix's that I am using.

  5. #25
    MIX 1

    Alum - 2 parts
    Epson Salt - 1.5 parts
    Sodium Silcate (n) - 1 part
    Distilled Water - .5 to 1 part
    Perlite - 3 parts (you can go more but need to watch the consistancy of the mix)

    Mix the sodium sicate in last - as the mixture cools you will need to stir it up gentally once the mixture is cool and pasty you can then add it to your cell, you will see a small bubbling reaction. Leave the cells alone for about 1/2 hour, then apply a polarity charge with, only a second or so, allow the cell to remain for about 2 hours then connect a load, you will need 3-4 cells for good use on an led, once the load is connected don't disconnect it takes to long to recover, it wants the load. It allows will reach its own non-equalibriam state when left alone, this will cause it to have small occillations internally from the various minerals. What I want is a battery that does not create internal heat when under load, what you should find is the cell will run about 1/2 to 1 degree cooler then the abiant temp.

    You will also have to find the right Led's, not the super brights as they have to much resistance, I have found that the solar ones work quite nice or the el'cheapo led light from the Dollar Store.

    So why Perlite it absorbs water somewhat but has lots of surface area and when you look at the make-up of it you will see the other minerals that make it up. The first layer around the Mg is to stop the corrosion from happening further,the next layers are to form a moist coating with it finally expanding to the Cu cystalizing along the way and stabalizing it.

    Mix 2
    Same as Mix 1 but add in 1.5 parts Spodumene - again look at its make up and what is trying to be achieved here

  6. #26
    Okay an update, after months and months of running I added distilled water to bring the cell's up to their original brightness. The dry winter months really sucked out the moisture. If sealed this would not be an issue and will be the next test. What is really amazing is how bright it is in complete darkness or even partial darkness. I have had no trouble reading with the light. As a night light for the kids I have had no better. As a night light in the shop again no better. The results in my opinion are pretty exceptional for a battery. The cells may not have the great power output like an alkaline or a nimh but they certainly have the longevity and a very even power distribution. These cells could certainly used as a charging source for larger batteries, yes it would take longer to charge but really who cares.

    Thanks John for sparking interest and sharing. Cheers!
    Last edited by nickle989; 03-02-2013 at 06:17 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickle989 View Post
    Okay an update, after months and months of running I added distilled water to bring the cell's up to their original brightness. The dry winter months really sucked out the moisture. If sealed this would not be an issue and will be the next test. What is really amazing is how bright it is in complete darkness or even partial darkness. I have had no trouble reading with the light. As a night light for the kids I have had no better. As a night light in the shop again no better. The results in my opinion are pretty exceptional for a battery. The cells may not have the great power output like an alkaline or a nimh but they certainly have the longevity and a very even power distribution. These cells could certainly used as a charging source for larger batteries, yes it would take longer to charge but really who cares.

    Thanks John for sparking interest and sharing. Cheers!
    Nickle,

    I wanted to chime in here and tell you your doing great work, the electron scans were very telling!! research takes time and energy, thank you for sharing it with us. I also wanted to add a bit about how bright these are when they are the only source. we all take for granted the amount of light we get from our household lighting, for centuries we were guided by the sun and it set the timetable for our lives. I have taken my son on a few "nightwalks" this involves sitting somewhere outside for at least 1/2 hour in a wilderness where there is no artificial light, and at least a 1/4 moon. as our eyes adjust, features become clear and shadows even form. as long as there is not too muh of a forest canopy you can see for miles, wildlife like coyote and rabbit become visible even from long distances and bino's actually work well at night also. you can see lots of bio luminescent critters you would not see otherwise, like scorpions. after one of these walks even opening up the car door can cause temporary pain in your eyes as your iris shuts back down. these little lights can provide all the light you need at night. this requires good lighting protocols, realising that staring at a computer screen makes you night blind for quite a while, etc.

    I have mix 5 in a huge 6 volt trojan, pretty sure it will run forever at the current I am pulling......

    Thanks to JB for this Technology!!

    tom C


    experimental Kits, chargers and solar trackers

  8. #28
    thanks for sharing this...am working on crsytal batt now...thx for sharing this,waiting for ur next update..cheers

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