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Thread: Who has done ANYTHING with success along this topic?

  1. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by kevin View Post
    bluestix
    where do you find info on this video?
    they talked about a web site but never named it
    K
    That video is several years old. Those people are probably dead or in hiding.

    "I've been poisoned" -- Stan Meyer

  2. #12
    Theunis- I have not done much research on the Joe Cell, but I would say that is a distinct possibility.

    Kevin- The main guy behind that video (the guy shooting the video) is Fred Wells. He later claimed to be commencing production of units that could be retro-fitted to any ICE powered vehicle. He even sold a few to some poor souls who never received a complete working unit. Here is the PESwiki page that was devoted to Fred Wells' (a.k.a. Fast Freddy) water fuel system, which he called the hydrogen hog. It is a sad story. Many feel he was a scam artist, and while that certainly may be true, it may also be that he was simply intimidated and suppressed out of the business of water fuel. I suppose we may never know for sure.

    Directory: Hydrogen Hog by Future Energy Concepts, Inc. - PESWiki

    -Woody
    "It's not a mutiny if the commander is leading it!" - Wally Schirra, Commander Apollo 7

  3. #13
    By the way, Fred Wells was one of those who was thinking electrolysis, and hydrogen. He was dumping 55amps into his fuel cell. If you want to replicate Stan's processes, you cannot be doing it with current!!! That is why he could run the truck for a few minutes, but then had to pull over and allow the pressure to build again. Of course, with the engine not running the fuel cell is drawing 55a from the battery, and before long the battery is dead, and no more gas.

    -Woody
    "It's not a mutiny if the commander is leading it!" - Wally Schirra, Commander Apollo 7

  4. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by Woody View Post
    By the way, Fred Wells was one of those who was thinking electrolysis, and hydrogen. He was dumping 55amps into his fuel cell. If you want to replicate Stan's processes, you cannot be doing it with current!!! That is why he could run the truck for a few minutes, but then had to pull over and allow the pressure to build again. Of course, with the engine not running the fuel cell is drawing 55a from the battery, and before long the battery is dead, and no more gas.

    -Woody
    55 amps @ 12V is only 660 watts. That is less then one horsepower. If that produces enough gas to make the engine turn over then it is easily enough to keep the battery charged. The alternator on my truck can easily provide way more amps then that.

  5. #15
    According to an article on the PESWiki website I linked to in my previous post, the issue was not about the alternator keeping the battery charged while the engine was running. The problem was maintaining the required pressure to sustain combustion. He had two battery systems. One for turning the starter, and one for powering the HHO system. It was a gas issue, not a battery/alternator issue. The gas production was not enough to sustain pressure under continuous use, the engine would stall, and the batteries would eventually die trying to keep it going. I know it does not appear that way in the video, but he had alot of trouble with this very issue, and was one of the reasons the system was under development for so long and never produced satisfactory results.

    The question that must be asked is, if the first installation in the Dodge truck was so successful (3,000 mile trip, etc.) as was presented in the video, why could he not reproduce the same results once he got to Square1 and began development of the production version? Either the first video was a total deception, or some kind of suppression/sabotage program was indeed undertaken to quash it. Read the articles on PESWiki about this system and Fred Wells. The whole story is there. The issue remains, as I said before, Stan Meyer's was the most successful system ever developed and he emphasized NO ELECTROLYSIS, and MINIMUM AMPERAGE. 55a is NOT minimum amperage. Stan's current draw- .5a Fred's current draw- 55a. This is not insignificant.

    -Woody
    "It's not a mutiny if the commander is leading it!" - Wally Schirra, Commander Apollo 7

  6. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by Woody View Post

    The question that must be asked is, if the first installation in the Dodge truck was so successful (3,000 mile trip, etc.) as was presented in the video, why could he not reproduce the same results once he got to Square1 and began development of the production version? Either the first video was a total deception, or some kind of suppression/sabotage program was indeed undertaken to quash it.
    -Woody
    From the top of the article on Peswiki:

    We've not heard from him since around a week after we published this story.

    Other then that I see no useful information at the Peswiki link.

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    While their system was obviously not as well tuned as Stan Meyers it was still clearly not standard electrolysis.

    People should watch all of Stans lectures. They are all on youtube.

  7. #17
    There is alot of info in many articles there on PESWiki on this. You have to read, and follow links. It is a HUGE page! Yes, Fred may not have corresponded with Sterling beyond that first interview, but that doesn't mean there was no further information on the subject. The story unfolded over a few years with lots of interviews with other people about the progress or lack thereof. I know, as I was following the story from the beginning with great interest. If by "useful information" you mean specifics on his system's design and operation, then yes there is not much there as one might expect for someone who was trying to bring product to market and recover investment. However, if you are just interested in finding out the story behind Fred Wells and that video, the whole story is there. From the exciting beginning, to the disappointing end, with quotes like this one from the page I linked to:

    " February 6, 2012

    Someone (wishes to remain anonymous) who has known Freddy for many years wrote:

    Good morning sir, just wanted to let you know that fast Freddie is alive and scheming in his home town of Prescott, AZ. His is a liar of the highest sort, you'll never see any kind of truth from this snake oil salesman. He has eluded most people he scams, and very few have ever gotten any money back. Run while you still can!"

    ..a direct quote" I don't know who this guy was, and anonymous statements can be made by anyone, including those trying to discredit these kinds of breakthrough technologies, but that appears to be about the last word on Fred Wells, at least for now. I'm still not willing to completely rule out a comeback with a viable system. If they let him live that is.

    We all know you can get good gas production from the concentric SS tube configuration, well at least those of us who have actually built and experimented with it, which I have. You can even use just straight DC and get pretty decent results, but not enough to run a vehicle. For that, the system requires much more finesse, and complexity. There is a reason for Stan's abandonment of that configuration in favor of the "injector/water spark plug" system he was ultimately killed for. That one had the potential to change the world.

    -Woody
    Last edited by Woody; 01-08-2013 at 09:14 AM.
    "It's not a mutiny if the commander is leading it!" - Wally Schirra, Commander Apollo 7

  8. #18
    Well it is good to see this thread has life. One thing....anyone HERE done anything? Stan M ,Bob B,etc.. we all have seen their stuff(mostly) but whom HERE has done anything be it a replication or something new? It matters not if you failed or were on the other end.

    Stan Meyer's stuff I agree is DIFFERENT in the end results as to where a production based unit is concerned as to the SS tubes. BTW the gas was made in those units right at the exit of the spark plug replacements into the piston cylinder....not before.

    John H

  9. #19
    So I assume nobody has one of Stans injectors to replicate?
    he had to make more than a few I would have thought, if they
    worked so well.
    K

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