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    Bud's Big 10 coiler SG

    Hi all,
    Thought I would write about my new project.......the ten coiler. I imagined this design about one year ago while working on my super big monopole. I know it has been a long time since I have been on the forum but other things have hampered my construction. Like finishing my house up ........you know pleasing the little lady of the house. I had to finish up the office ceiling. A coffered ceiling using all black walnut lumber.

    So now that job is complete this left me some free time to work on the ten coiler. Besides I needed to find out some things that have been on my mind about the SG in particular. I needed to build this intermediate 10 coiler to find out the answers so I have just finished it up.

    While building this project it occurred to me that some of my previous posts have been wrong by coming to conclusions that were just not correct. As I never studied electrical theory some of the ideas I had were not well thought out. I guess this is how we learn.....by our mistakes......something I have been known to do quite well. I apologize for those mistakes.

    I used some of the many coils I wound for my super big SG and rewound them for the ten coiler. All of the coils are 18 ga. With 7 strands all twisted together. As I have no experience in printed circuit board manufacturing I had to come up with a way of mounting and wiring the transistors and components that was compact and easy to duplicate. I used a piece of aluminum angle to mount the transistors on and this provided the foundation for all the rest of the components to mount to. It seems to work out pretty good for now. Let's face it .......it works well for me.

    The frame of the machine was built up from acrylic 3/4" plate and laser cut using our shop equipment. The two bike rims are 22.75 Dia aluminum with the bearings removed. A .50" x 18" shaft was used as an axle by the use of four purchased collars modified to have a long angle turned on them and pressed into the wheel hubs and fitted with the axle. The bearings I used are self aligning needle bearings and this provides a very free wheeling assembly. On the outer portion of the wheels I mounted 20 special magnet holders I designed to do several different tasks. I wanted to study the effects of different magnet arrangements as they pass over the coils to see if I could develop enough trigger pulse to run many transistors all at the same time and to see how much torque I could get out of the SG. I also wanted to see if there was any difference in the output characteristics in the negative energy.

    The magnet holders were made from .035" stainless and laser cut all the same. I then made up a bending fixture to bend them all the same. I then used the same bending fixture to weld them together using tig welding. I just tacked them so as not to distort them too much. The holders are made in such a manner so that I could use a super pole magnet arrangement on either or both sides or to use a single magnet on one or both sides. I clamped each magnet holder to the rims using left over stainless stampings we had laying around at the plant. I just drilled a center clearance hole and bolted the magnet holders all equidistant to each other. This finished the energizer wheel assy.

    Going back to the main frame I used our jig borer to accurately drill all of the coils mounting bolt locations equidistant. I even went so far as to drill a 9 spacing arrangement in it as well. This is another thing I want to investigate and that is to continuously turn the energizer wheel in many pulses per revolution rather that all 10 at once like a big kick. Just one of the many ides I have in mind.

    I used some scrap air conditions copper coils that were lying around to make the three circular buss bars from. I brazed tabs onto the bars using sil-fos. A silver based braze that is highly conductive used in the air-conditioning industry. It is very strong and will not be affected by the neg. energy like solder would be. A lot of the connections are mechanical crimped and soldered as I have found out that the neg. energy is hell on solder joints. So I went overboard!

    When I first assembled the unit I was concerned that I would have enough trigger pulse to turn on all 70 transistors. When I visited the conference two year ago I learned of a guy who ran out of trigger energy and could not trigger all the transistors at one time without multiple trigger circuits. This really concerned me. So I had to find out. I used one lead of the coil and a trigger pulse and slowly added the coils. Two at first, then four, and then seven coils. They all triggered just fine using the one circuit. I had to wait a week or so as I ran out of welding rod for the coil cores. When the coils were all finished up I mounted the last three coils and hooked them up and sure enough all of the transistors pulsed just fine. Then I was concerned about breaking the magnet field strength from the coil cores. The field strength is tough to break but the energizer turns just fine only in repulsive mode....not attraction mode! The energizer will not work in attraction mode. The filed strength is too hard to break as the inertia is not high enough. At least not with the magnet setup I am using at present. North inside and super pole south on the outside.

    The speed of the rotor is hampered by the wind resistance of the 20 magnet holders. I do not know if there is a good way to totally enclose the entire outer surface area of the assembly. I am thinking about this as I write this.

    The output from this machine is quite incredible. I have it hooked up to a "D" battery on the input side and a L16 -6volt series pair to make 12 volt on the charging side. I am having no trouble charging this massive battery cell! I cannot imagine getting shock from the output! I have the utmost respect for what is going on and stay very safe around this machine when running.

    This build came to me like all of the designs I come up with when designing progressive dies. I just imagine it and draw it up like my mind sees it. In my mind I can move things around and watch what happens all inside my own brain like a movie. This is what tesla must have had going on inside of his mind as well.

    This build was fun and it was very rewarding to see it to completion so quickly. Now I have a lot of fact finding to do before I tackle the super big SG. I already see modifications but I need to make sure they are the correct ones. This can only be found out through experimentation.

    Bud Mohrman

    10 coiler complete
    http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/...ps7824d8d8.jpg

    Trigger pulse using only one coil lead
    http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/...ps524cd58d.jpg

    Transistor mount setup
    http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/...psb7dd0afc.jpg

    transistor trigger buss made from welding core wire
    http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4cdc5874.jpg

    transistor mount
    http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/...psb7dd0afc.jpg

    output neg energy buss and diodes
    http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/...ps235cec15.jpg

    transistor mount
    http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/...psb7dd0afc.jpg

    single trigger wire
    http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9121b99d.jpg

    output main buss
    http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/...ps6751f733.jpg

    wheel bearing
    http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/...psd371f677.jpg

    partial completion 4 coils
    http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/...ps68e0ce17.jpg

    wheel bearing
    http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/...psac949576.jpg

    partial completion 7 coils
    http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/...psdf371e4a.jpg

    wheel support
    http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/...psb172a668.jpg

    both magnets in sandwich mount
    http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/...ps40b2a8c5.jpg

    charging temp setup for tryout
    http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/...psbdf9333f.jpg

    super pole
    http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2443f521.jpg

    magnet mount clamp arrangement
    http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/...ps3d7b47c2.jpg

    coil magnet arrangement
    http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/...psd406f60b.jpg

    7 coils running
    http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/...psbd9292c9.jpg

    There are several videos coming of very detailed construction methods I used. Here is the first video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQwH...ature=youtu.be

    Second video
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZU-omTFkt0

    Video #3
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtH...by3QDSQ/videos
    Last edited by Forrest; 01-20-2015 at 11:10 AM.
    Do not procrastinate! Make something happen...even if it is wrong. Once begun half done!

  2. #2
    Hi Bud,
    This is gorgeous, a thing of beauty!
    Can't wait for the vid...
    kind regards,
    Patrick A.

    Quote Originally Posted by Forrest View Post
    Hi all,
    Thought I would write about my new project.......the ten coiler. I imagined this design about one year ago while working on my super big monopole. I know it has been a long time since I have been on the forum but other things have hampered my construction. Like finishing my house up ........you know pleasing the little lady of the house. I had to finish up the office ceiling. A coffered ceiling using all black walnut lumber.

    So now that job is complete this left me some free time to work on the ten coiler. Besides I needed to find out some things that have been on my mind about the SG in particular. I needed to build this intermediate 10 coiler to find out the answers so I have just finished it up.

    While building this project it occurred to me that some of my previous posts have been wrong by coming to conclusions that were just not correct. As I never studied electrical theory some of the ideas I had were not well thought out. I guess this is how we learn.....by our mistakes......something I have been known to do quite well. I apologize for those mistakes.

    I used some of the many coils I wound for my super big SG and rewound them for the ten coiler. All of the coils are 18 ga. With 7 strands all twisted together. As I have no experience in printed circuit board manufacturing I had to come up with a way of mounting and wiring the transistors and components that was compact and easy to duplicate. I used a piece of aluminum angle to mount the transistors on and this provided the foundation for all the rest of the components to mount to. It seems to work out pretty good for now. Let's face it .......it works well for me.

    The frame of the machine was built up from acrylic 3/4" plate and laser cut using our shop equipment. The two bike rims are 22.75 Dia aluminum with the bearings removed. A .50" x 18" shaft was used as an axle by the use of four purchased collars modified to have a long angle turned on them and pressed into the wheel hubs and fitted with the axle. The bearings I used are self aligning needle bearings and this provides a very free wheeling assembly. On the outer portion of the wheels I mounted 20 special magnet holders I designed to do several different tasks. I wanted to study the effects of different magnet arrangements as they pass over the coils to see if I could develop enough trigger pulse to run many transistors all at the same time and to see how much torque I could get out of the SG. I also wanted to see if there was any difference in the output characteristics in the negative energy.

    The magnet holders were made from .035" stainless and laser cut all the same. I then made up a bending fixture to bend them all the same. I then used the same bending fixture to weld them together using tig welding. I just tacked them so as not to distort them too much. The holders are made in such a manner so that I could use a super pole magnet arrangement on either or both sides or to use a single magnet on one or both sides. I clamped each magnet holder to the rims using left over stainless stampings we had laying around at the plant. I just drilled a center clearance hole and bolted the magnet holders all equidistant to each other. This finished the energizer wheel assy.

    Going back to the main frame I used our jig borer to accurately drill all of the coils mounting bolt locations equidistant. I even went so far as to drill a 9 spacing arrangement in it as well. This is another thing I want to investigate and that is to continuously turn the energizer wheel in many pulses per revolution rather that all 10 at once like a big kick. Just one of the many ides I have in mind.

    I used some scrap air conditions copper coils that were lying around to make the three circular buss bars from. I brazed tabs onto the bars using sil-fos. A silver based braze that is highly conductive used in the air-conditioning industry. It is very strong and will not be affected by the neg. energy like solder would be. A lot of the connections are mechanical crimped and soldered as I have found out that the neg. energy is hell on solder joints. So I went overboard!

    When I first assembled the unit I was concerned that I would have enough trigger pulse to turn on all 70 transistors. When I visited the conference two year ago I learned of a guy who ran out of trigger energy and could not trigger all the transistors at one time without multiple trigger circuits. This really concerned me. So I had to find out. I used one lead of the coil and a trigger pulse and slowly added the coils. Two at first, then four, and then seven coils. They all triggered just fine using the one circuit. I had to wait a week or so as I ran out of welding rod for the coil cores. When the coils were all finished up I mounted the last three coils and hooked them up and sure enough all of the transistors pulsed just fine. Then I was concerned about breaking the magnet field strength from the coil cores. The field strength is tough to break but the energizer turns just fine only in repulsive mode....not attraction mode! The energizer will not work in attraction mode. The filed strength is too hard to break as the inertia is not high enough. At least not with the magnet setup I am using at present. North inside and super pole south on the outside.

    The speed of the rotor is hampered by the wind resistance of the 20 magnet holders. I do not know if there is a good way to totally enclose the entire outer surface area of the assembly. I am thinking about this as I write this.

    The output from this machine is quite incredible. I have it hooked up to a "D" battery on the input side and a L16 -6volt series pair to make 12 volt on the charging side. I am having no trouble charging this massive battery cell! I cannot imagine getting shock from the output! I have the utmost respect for what is going on and stay very safe around this machine when running.

    This build came to me like all of the designs I come up with when designing progressive dies. I just imagine it and draw it up like my mind sees it. In my mind I can move things around and watch what happens all inside my own brain like a movie. This is what tesla must have had going on inside of his mind as well.

    This build was fun and it was very rewarding to see it to completion so quickly. Now I have a lot of fact finding to do before I tackle the super big SG. I already see modifications but I need to make sure they are the correct ones. This can only be found out through experimentation.

    Bud Mohrman

    Trigger pulse using only one coil lead
    http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/...ps524cd58d.jpg

    Transistor mount setup
    http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/...psb7dd0afc.jpg

    transistor trigger buss made from welding core wire
    http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4cdc5874.jpg

    transistor mount
    http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/...psb7dd0afc.jpg

    output neg energy buss and diodes
    http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/...ps235cec15.jpg

    transistor mount
    http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/...psb7dd0afc.jpg

    single trigger wire
    http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9121b99d.jpg

    output main buss
    http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/...ps6751f733.jpg

    wheel bearing
    http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/...psd371f677.jpg

    partial completion 4 coils
    http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/...ps68e0ce17.jpg

    wheel bearing
    http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/...psac949576.jpg

    partial completion 7 coils
    http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/...psdf371e4a.jpg

    wheel support
    http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/...psb172a668.jpg

    both magnets in sandwich mount
    http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/...ps40b2a8c5.jpg

    charging temp setup for tryout
    http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/...psbdf9333f.jpg

    super pole
    http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2443f521.jpg

    magnet mount clamp arrangement
    http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/...ps3d7b47c2.jpg

    coil magnet arrangement
    http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/...psd406f60b.jpg

    7 coils running
    http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/...psbd9292c9.jpg

    I am in the process of uploading some video files onto youtube for everyone to see. Please be patient.

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    [QUOTE=min2oly;18852]Hi Bud,
    This is gorgeous, a thing of beauty!
    Can't wait for the vid...
    kind regards,
    Patrick A.[/QU

    Unbelievable!

  5. #5
    Bud that is fantastic work my friend!

    Please continue to share your findings as you experiment with this machine. I am building an 8 coiler but 4 power per coil so it will max out at 32 transistors when it is finished. Mine is superpole north out.

    Really amazing work!

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