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Thread: Idea for a large multifilar SS SG

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    Idea for a large multifilar SS SG

    OK...I have this idea for my version of a replication of Nityesh Schnaderbeck's awesome "Omnibus" 81-filar SS SG. He told me that it was the "best performing machine." he has. I have a 5 gallon bucket with..I don't know...about 80-100 lbs of 18 AWG Essex wire to play with, as well as 11 lbs of 23 AWG and 1 lbs of 26. I already have about 50 MJL21194s, and a bunch of resistors and diodes. I have several amp/hours of battery banks (about 6000ah @ 12 volts) that I can play with and access to some golf cart batteries, as well as the big batteries... A nice 30 amp 12 volt bench power supply, a scope, and a host of electronic monitoring/measuring gizmo’s...

    Soooo...here is my idea: I can get a bunch more MJL21194s (maybe from Tom C), do a bunch of matching of components (I have a device that measures parameters of transistors, resistor, inductors, and diodes, plus other ICs). pull 81 strands of 18 AWG out to 130 or 150 feet and litze them. Wind a nice coil up. Meticulously construct Nityesh's version of John B's circuit. and go from there. Nityesh stated that his wire lengths were 460 feet long. They must have been really small wire to fit on the Essex wire spool (my reason for limiting the wire lengths for the 18 AWG to 130-150 feet).

    Some ideas to toss around:

    1) Wind additional strands wrapped up with the 81 strands, for purposes of creating a series looped generator coil (ala Peter Lindemann demonstrating the SG at the last conference) for either, back popping the primary, or charging another bank of primary batteries for swapping with the run bank.

    2) Another idea would be to separate out additional windings and create a "mini-me" circuit similar to the larger circuit only with a cap dump for purposes of charging a bank for primary side swapping. And, run the big circuit to charge half of the big batteries--dividing them into 2-3000ah banks swapping between charging and discharging) hitting them with direct radiant charging.

    3) Another idea, would be to run the replication from solar panels (my preferred method), however, I would want to build the run side of that myself (instead of purchasing a TST5) for the experience of doing so, I would need coaching in regard to setting up the buffering circuit (caps, and such) between the SS SG circuit and the panels.

    4) I could take a lesson from John K. and use small solar (probably 350-500 watts), running it through a buffer circuit to power a smaller "mini-me" version of Nityesh's "Omnibus 81-filar"...maybe 16 or 20 circuits...and a comparator-cap-dump into one of two banks of golf cart or LifePo4 batteries, switching them to run the big 81-filar coil unit which swaps between the two big banks, charging them with direct radiant and discharging the charged bank with a heater or some-such load.

    I can use the 30 amp bench supply to run some "shake-down cruises" and tuning the circuit, and I have plenty of the "usual" monitoring/measuring devices to keep track of things.

    This will be my first solid state build and I plan to build a smaller (but still large) version, first, to test with--tuning and such, as I have need of a set-up like that as well. However, my main reason for building that first, is to help in designing the "Omnibus" replication. I am not afraid of big projects, and have some half decent skills. I might benefit in regard to direction from some of you "electronic and/or SS SG gurus" and that would be greatly appreciated. My hope is to pull off some next level stuff to motivate and inspire someone else to take it even higher.

    Here is a link to Nityesh's "Omnibus 81-filar" (I named it that, and Nityesh seemed to like that name):

    http://www.energyscienceforum.com/album.php?albumid=80

    I am a big believer in "form plus function equals art" and any creation of mine follows that principal. So I hope to make Nityesh proud.

    Looking forward to hearing from you all

    James
    Last edited by James_Somewhere_In_Idaho; 12-06-2014 at 05:42 AM.
    Best regards

    James, somewhere in Idaho

    “So this is how liberty dies…with thunderous applause.”

    ~ Padmé Amidala ~

  2. #2
    Quote Originally Posted by jamesgray3rd View Post
    1) Wind additional strands wrapped up with the 81 strands, for purposes of creating a series looped generator coil (ala Peter Lindemann demonstrating the SG at the last conference) for either, back popping the primary, or charging another bank of primary batteries for swapping with the run bank.
    James
    I have tried this idea, and It doesn't work, It will impede the performance of the back emf, as the back spike will get shorted out from the parallel capacitance's between the parallel wires.

    But if you had another spool on top and had welding rods through the center of both spools, and had the second spool as a generator coil. Then you can connect the generator coil back through itself. This would be, a transformer of a kind. Maybe a "linear Amp Regulator" could go on the generator coil.

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    Hmmm...thank you Nityesh, that is good advice. I was wondering why you ran the "Omnibus"coil, with a core, since most people think running them as an air core makes them work better. If I choose to build a slave generator coil, on top like you are suggesting, I would need an extended core to magnetically connect them, but if I choose not to, do you think I should run it with a core (welding rod for example) anyway, or run it as an air core? And, what would you base that reasoning on (since you are apparently the only individual I have heard of who has built such a device)?
    Best regards

    James, somewhere in Idaho

    “So this is how liberty dies…with thunderous applause.”

    ~ Padmé Amidala ~

  4. #4
    Greetings:

    Wouldn't solid state be better off as an air core?

    That is, unless one wants to stack coils.


    glen

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    I have run this as an air core too, I have been told by John Korn years ago in the monopole forum, That you should be careful where you place your body with the air core, especially one as big as the 81 strand coil.

    I believe that certain frequencies can resonate with your body organs, either adding energy to them of extracting energy from them. This can be a healing benefit or the opposite. If you are living in an area where lots of people are live close to you, you don't know how your machine is affecting them. So I think an iron core maybe safer. On a big radiant oscillator, but this is only my opinion.

    With the welding rod core, the inductance was so high that it would resonate at a very low frequency like about 20, 30 Hz. With an air core the air is the magnetic conductor and you have no control of where the magnetic field leaks too, also the properties of the air changes according to atmospheric conditions, and this affects the inductance of the coil and frequency, I am not sure if this really matters or not.

    It was suggested that I could use an aluminum core as this would load the coil. You can move the core in and out to tune the oscillator. Also the 81 strand oscillator would only draw 5 amps, and I wanted it to draw 10 amps.


    But if you had another spool on top and had welding rods through the center of both spools, and had the second spool as a generator coil. Then you can connect the generator coil back through itself. This would be, a transformer of a kind. Maybe a "linear Amp Regulator" could go on the generator coil.
    In the advanced handbook it shows the schematic of the generator coils of the watson machine with a capacitor connected in parallel with the coils. I believe the coils are multi-strand and are connected back through themselves. And the capacitors that is shown connected in parallel with the coils, is showing the equivalent capacitance between the parallel windings. So these generator coils are capacitor coils and are making use of the electrostatic component within the magnetic field as well as an energy storage. A capacitor connected in parallel with a coil is known as a tank circuit, a tank circuit shorts out all frequencies except the one it's resonating at. The currents between the capacitor and inductor in a Tank circuit at resonance is very high.

    Tank circuits are used in radios to tune the station, and your tuning control is a variable capacitor or in the old car radios an adjustable inductor.
    Last edited by Nityesh Schnaderbeck; 12-06-2014 at 11:13 PM.

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    So, Nityesh, correct me if I am wrong...a gen coil on top of the main coil, with the same core, might affect how the big coil resonates (I am referring to it's "tank circuit" qualities)? If so, that may be a way to tune it to a certain resonant frequency???.... I like the idea of it resonating at a lower Hz. The radiant potential might be higher than if it oscillates really fast...and that means better charging, to the best of my understanding.

    Another "core" idea would be to purchase some of the new "soft steel shot"that shotgun re-loaders use, swirl them around in acrylic paint, let them dry, and cast them with fibreglass resin or epoxy as the core. I have heard that doing something like this might reduce the possibilities of eddy-currents even more so than using welding rod (from an independent researcher out in the boonies in Idaho)...I could build a double coil spool with round acrylic for the core-support and bond round sheets of acrylic (with appropriate sized holes for the core support) for the bobbin ends...kind of a double-decker bobbin...then either cast the steel shot, or use the standard welding rods...Though...on this build, I am inclined to use the standard method--tried and true (welding rods)...what do you think? What diameter core do you think I should use? I know the wheels do not benefit from much over 7/8-3/4 inch, but this is a different animal...I am really liking the "tank circuit/generator idea...is there any math available, or online calculators that can help me with strand length and number of strands for a particular output, that you are aware of?

    I knew that there might be a lot of EMF generated. However, I had no idea it might be harmful (my only EMF experiences with John's technology has been in a positive way...until now, that is). This is important, since I already have problems around smart meters and cell phones (can not hold one against my head without adverse effects) I should research harmful resonant frequencies and beneficial resonant frequencies and try to stay on the positive side. I may have to manufacture some shielding, if I can't "tune it over to the "light side"(Yoda heard musing in the background...hehehe). Thank you for that warning.

    As always, Nityesh, thank you for your thoughts.Your input is always appreciated.

    James
    Best regards

    James, somewhere in Idaho

    “So this is how liberty dies…with thunderous applause.”

    ~ Padmé Amidala ~

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    Hi GlenWV

    Thank you for your question. I have heard the same as you. This will be my first SS SG, so I have no direct experience with the "core or no core" issue. However, this build is quite a different animal--way bigger than most experimenters have built, and so I must side with those more experienced than me. Here is what I am attempting to replicate (Nityesh's "Omnibus 81-filar"):

    http://www.energyscienceforum.com/album.php?albumid=80

    Its a exceptional work of art, is it not?

    Hope that helps, James
    Best regards

    James, somewhere in Idaho

    “So this is how liberty dies…with thunderous applause.”

    ~ Padmé Amidala ~

  8. #8
    I also started to do advanced manual low resistance dynamo experiment, being the purchase of materials, the coil is very large, an enameled wire coils around 3kg. Core is very large, about 0.9kg R60 using welding rod.
    Picture for 3D rendering design, not physical.
    q.jpg

  9. #9
    Hi cdsp1

    Now, that is a sweet looking ride!

    Let me see if I am correct. I see the main coil hiding under the center of the wheel, two geni coils symmetrically on either side of it, with analogue ammeters and volt meters for both the run side and the charge side, and a nice bank of capacitors, for what is evidentially a cap discharge unit for the charge side. As symmetrical as this machine looks, I bet that the tranny circuit is hiding on the opposite side of the cap dump circuit, am I correct? A very fine example of "form plus function equals art"...

    Questions:

    1) how many circuits/strands are on the main coil, and how do you have it configured w(hat size wire, and how long)?

    2) Are those magnets in "superpole" configuration?

    3) do you have it running in, what is called, "common ground" or "generator" mode?

    4) what do you use the geni coils for and how do you have them configured (wire size, length, do they consist of one long wire or multiple strands and how many, are they in series, do you run them through a cap circuit, etc)?

    And 5) That is definitely the "high performance sports-car" version of an SSG...Have you taken her for a spin around the block yet? Yeah!

    Fine attention to details cdsp1..That is just about how I would like something of mine to look like, if I had built something similar.....impressive! VERY impressive! Please keep me informed of your progress...

    Oops, I see you say that the picture is 3-D rendering...my bad...that looks as real as it gets...wow! what workstation GPU and program are you using???

    James
    Last edited by James_Somewhere_In_Idaho; 12-07-2014 at 06:07 AM.
    Best regards

    James, somewhere in Idaho

    “So this is how liberty dies…with thunderous applause.”

    ~ Padmé Amidala ~

  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by cdsp1 View Post
    I also started to do advanced manual low resistance dynamo experiment, being the purchase of materials, the coil is very large, an enameled wire coils around 3kg. Core is very large, about 0.9kg R60 using welding rod.
    Picture for 3D rendering design, not physical.
    q.jpg
    Wow very nice design, the "SSG 3000" space age design, very nice artwork.

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