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Thread: Shorting the gen coil with PWM? .. and other things.

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    Shorting the gen coil with PWM? .. and other things.

    I have been reading for a while, the threads in some websites about shorting the gen coil.

    And I am starting to do tests with it.

    All the videos and schematics I have seen are shorting the gen coil at the peak of the wave. This sounds good

    … but I have not seen anyone shorting the gen coil all the time, multiple times, not only when the sine wave is on the peek.
    So first I would like to know if you people think that is logical for you, as it is for me.
    Because… shorting at the peak would give the bigger spike, but we are wasting all the others possible spikes.

    So regarding that, and since I don’t have a great electrical background, I was wondering if a self-oscillating circuit could be used to short a generator coil (PWM style) ??? . For example, use the oscillation of a joule thief to short a gen coil (placed in a rotor with magnets of course).
    ---
    Another question I would like to ask: Can I dump a capacitor into a coil? And expect the coil to be able to push an incoming magnet? And also get a radiant spike?
    My basic idea is to put gen coils, been shorted all the time, and storing the radiant output into a capacitor, then with the right timing discharge that cap into another coil to help the rotation of the device, and also gather the radiant spike of that cap dump into the coil. Is logical?

    Thank you

    Best

    Alvaro Hernandorena
    Last edited by AlvaroHN; 09-10-2014 at 11:54 AM.

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    I can’t answer all of that but I think I have an answer for one. The cap discharge into a coil. If you have pure radiant energy in the cap when it flows through a coil it does not make an electromagnet. Only normal current does that and since radiant has no current it doesn't work. But not all machines nowadays put out radiant. Some people that try things end up getting some normal energy in there cap and use it to do stuff. As far as my experience "radiant" is ONLY voltage. If there is current we can’t read it because we have not developed a backwards current meter. I know this because I had a solid state bedini TYPE circuit running from my arduino and it filled a 100v 10000uf cap bank up to 60 volts in a short amount of time and when I would discharge through small wires the didn’t burn and I ran it through a coil and put a magnet in front of it. NOTHING. If that much normal energy was pulsed into a coil with a magnet you would have a projectile. Hope I helped some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bradley Malone View Post
    I canít answer all of that but I think I have an answer for one. The cap discharge into a coil. If you have pure radiant energy in the cap when it flows through a coil it does not make an electromagnet. Only normal current does that and since radiant has no current it doesn't work. But not all machines nowadays put out radiant. Some people that try things end up getting some normal energy in there cap and use it to do stuff. As far as my experience "radiant" is ONLY voltage. If there is current we canít read it because we have not developed a backwards current meter. I know this because I had a solid state bedini TYPE circuit running from my arduino and it filled a 100v 10000uf cap bank up to 60 volts in a short amount of time and when I would discharge through small wires the didnít burn and I ran it through a coil and put a magnet in front of it. NOTHING. If that much normal energy was pulsed into a coil with a magnet you would have a projectile. Hope I helped some.
    Bradley thank you for the anwser, and share ur experience with that big cap been dumped into a coil.

    I did the same but with small cap, and the magnet didn't move, just like yours,

    I thought that the cap could convert that radiant energy into normal energy...

    best,

    Alvaro

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    Maybe the coil would not act as an electromagnet when a cap is dumped to it because there is not current? and just a burst of energy which last practically nothing? Therefore there is no magnetic field in the coil to push the magnet?

    Maybe placing a resistor in series with the cap been dumped to the coil would slow down the energy transfer? Making the coil been able to push the magnet?.

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    I never tried the resistor idea, but I don't think the resistance will change the speed at all it just acts as a valve only allowing a certain speed of flow. I have studied Walter Russell for a while and I believe everything the man said. With his way of thinking I use the analogy of atoms being little galaxies basically and what we call the nucleus is the matter and the "electron cloud" is the charge of the space that surrounds all spinning matter. So in the normal electric teaching they tell you that "electron holes" and extra electrons exchange places going past each other and that is current. Weather you push electrons in one side or push holes in the other or whatever it is normal electricity if you push either "holes" or "electrons". Well to me the holes and electrons are the exchange of matter and space in a cycle that ripples out like a wave. Well if you think about pushing is a force that you put in that causes heat and magnetism (induction). I believe if you set up a voltage that will never supply current to the load will cause the load to "self organize" to match the voltage causing a pull. A pull of matter to one side and a pull of space to the other. That is what I think is radiant energy. Normal electricity causes induction therefore the opposite would be conduction right. Radiant energy can charge objects ...it can cause conduction...it causes a flow in things normal electricity cant but at the same time it can't do what normal electricity can do. That’s why you can't run a motor to make a self running machine. All the motors are designed to run on normal inductive current.

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    Interesting Bradley, But I still think it can be made (power a coil with a cap) because I just remembered the new John Bedini circuit "Linear regulator amplifier from JB" which takes radiant output and convert it to pure DC

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlvaroHN View Post
    Interesting Bradley, But I still think it can be made (power a coil with a cap) because I just remembered the new John Bedini circuit "Linear regulator amplifier from JB" which takes radiant output and convert it to pure DC
    Yes a capacitor can produce and or make a dipole out of a coil... No problem there. Think about running a non inductively triggered SG on high voltage and using that recovered energy, from the capacitor to again power another separate non inductively triggered SG how many times, or how many coils can you put on the same wheel until the recovery is to small to do anything with? This is just one way to increase output of the machine. With extra torque you can do many things...

    -Dave Wing

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    I know for a fact that you can power up a cap with normal current and make an electromagnet, but from MY experience if it is pure radiant...sparks blue...reads voltage...but no current on a normal meter- then it will not push or pull a magnet. If there is a circuit that can take the charge from the cap and do something with it (maybe a new type of transformer) to change it to normal energy (like charging a battery with it) then you could pulse a coil and get force. As for pulsing radiant energy through a coil - i think just in the definition of it being the opposite electric then i dont believe radiant can ever cause induction. i believe it will cause different effects that we have to figure out. An idea i had was that if current makes a magnet then could radiant take away magnetism. What i am thinking is wrap a coil around a magnet that is permanently in a loop metal core. when you pulse radiant would it stop the magnetism flow and cause an inverted "normal" inductive pulse in a coil on the core? Just a thought.

    Dave wing* I used my SG to charge the 10000uf 100v cap and when i would discharge it would spark blue...but when i would try to use the cap bank to run the sg NOTHING. it would fire and empty the cap bank over a few pulses but never spun the wheel. didn't slow it down either. it is wierd when you see it. You see the power in a spark and on a volt meter, But when you run it through a coild with a magnet near it nothing happens.
    Last edited by Bradley Malone; 09-11-2014 at 04:14 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Wing View Post
    Yes a capacitor can produce and or make a dipole out of a coil... No problem there. Think about running a non inductively triggered SG on high voltage and using that recovered energy, from the capacitor to again power another separate non inductively triggered SG how many times, or how many coils can you put on the same wheel until the recovery is to small to do anything with? This is just one way to increase output of the machine. With extra torque you can do many things...

    -Dave Wing
    That does work, i can run my HV Hall SG from way less than a watt, but you will need a better prime mover, its wasted on the SG trying to make it into a motor, a window motor would be a better choice. the solenoid coils are not good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bradley Malone View Post
    I know for a fact that you can power up a cap with normal current and make an electromagnet, but from MY experience if it is pure radiant...sparks blue...reads voltage...but no current on a normal meter- then it will not push or pull a magnet. If there is a circuit that can take the charge from the cap and do something with it (maybe a new type of transformer) to change it to normal energy (like charging a battery with it) then you could pulse a coil and get force. As for pulsing radiant energy through a coil - i think just in the definition of it being the opposite electric then i dont believe radiant can ever cause induction. i believe it will cause different effects that we have to figure out. An idea i had was that if current makes a magnet then could radiant take away magnetism. What i am thinking is wrap a coil around a magnet that is permanently in a loop metal core. when you pulse radiant would it stop the magnetism flow and cause an inverted "normal" inductive pulse in a coil on the core? Just a thought.

    Dave wing* I used my SG to charge the 10000uf 100v cap and when i would discharge it would spark blue...but when i would try to use the cap bank to run the sg NOTHING. it would fire and empty the cap bank over a few pulses but never spun the wheel. didn't slow it down either. it is wierd when you see it. You see the power in a spark and on a volt meter, But when you run it through a coild with a magnet near it nothing happens.
    if the capacitor is charged, and you discharge it into a coil, it will produce a magnetic field, i charge my caps from 'radiant' and power coils no problem, show us a video of this effect its unbelievable - literally.

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