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    Quote Originally Posted by min2oly View Post
    You see, now these words are comprehendable, your previous babble is not. You say you want to set up pointers however your pointers are aimless. I call BS you do not understand what you are talking about. You try to sound like you do but you don't. Let's turn this around and actually give some real explanations if you feel I am wrong. You say you are "writing this science" let's prove it, why not reword your last post so that it is comprehendible. and show us this circuit you talk about...
    Hi Min2oly,
    Lets not rift over this... its all my opinion..you take it or leave it.. someone else can reserve his perception of the subject.. every replicator here knows that the true stuff is not revealed and or what is taught is not to the full scale performane of the Technology and rightly so..
    its all in bits and pieces and told in mataphoric terms and also discriminative more often than not by most of the morderators if not all! so i urge you to keep the matter in its right spirit and let others do the same.
    No sarcsam Intended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faraday88 View Post
    Hi Min2oly,
    Lets not rift over this... its all my opinion..you take it or leave it.. someone else can reserve his perception of the subject.. every replicator here knows that the true stuff is not revealed and or what is taught is not to the full scale performane of the Technology and rightly so..
    Not true at all, I and many others including JB give/gave freely especially when asked.


    Quote Originally Posted by Faraday88 View Post
    its all in bits and pieces and told in mataphoric terms and also discriminative more often than not by most of the morderators if not all!
    If you want to continue living in a riddle of your own incomprehensible making that's on you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Faraday88 View Post
    so i urge you to keep the matter in its right spirit and let others do the same.
    No sarcsam Intended.
    Rgds,
    Faraday88.
    Look, just explain what you are trying to say in layman's terms or at least comprehensible terms. If you are truly writing a book of science to be taken seriously this should be a piece of cake...

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    Hi Claudio,

    Have you built this circuit on a bread board to make sure it works as shown in the Schematic...?

    It does not look like you have the cap pulser Mosfets hooked up correctly.....
    The traces that connect the Mosfet's Source and Drain need fat traces too.

    The 2 transistors that drive the opto are unnecessary, as the 555 can pull plenty of current to drive the LED in the opto.
    Last edited by RS_; 05-03-2018 at 01:22 PM.

  4. #24
    Hi Claudio,

    I built and tried using the circuit shown in the "Intermediate Handbook" and it did work, but not real great as the charge voltage and dump voltages didn't change on the fly. They remained fixed wherever you set them with the pots. And it eventually blow out the FETs while I was adjusting the pots.



    I gave up on that one and built the circuit that RS_ posted that was then modified by Nityesh Schnaderbeck . It worked much better for me!



    The comparator works better than the timer for controlling voltages as the battery charges.
    Last edited by Gary Hammond; 05-03-2018 at 10:58 AM. Reason: additional information
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    Hi Claudio, Gary,

    After studying Claudio's sch a little more, the BD243C's collector is connected to the wrong place. It is connected to the Neg of the charging batt, and not to the output of the regulator, or the Pos side of the cap. There is no voltage drop/bias across this Mosfet circuit that can trigger the Gates of the Mosfets.

    If this Sch came from a A&P hand book, I think it is wrong, and needs to be fixed, and a new one sent to everybody that bought a hand book.
    Refrence the Compartor Circuit Gary posted above to see the correct bias to apply to the Mosfet Gates's...

    Gary, Nityesh, The D2 zener is not needed, unless you are blowing up Mosfet gates when charging 24V 36V or 48V Batts. And if that is happening, then you need to connect the collectors of the Opto and the BD243C to the 12V connection that powers the comparator, and up the amperage of the D5 Diode....
    If the the Gate Power Max V is 12V regulated, than a 15V zener is just transient protection for the Mosfet's gate's, vs being a current drain through the BD243C on the Capture Cap when the V is 30 40 V+ on the 15V zener, across that transistors voltage drop....

    Nityesh, good job on tweaking out that Sch I derived from JB's presentation.....

    Aaron, Look at this please....
    Last edited by RS_; 05-04-2018 at 01:56 PM.

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    Hi RS,

    If this Sch came from a P&A hand book, I think it is wrong, and needs to be fixed, and a new one sent to everybody that bought a hand book.
    That is indeed the sch shown on page 47 of the Intermediate Handbook! As you pointed out, the BD243 collector should be connected to the Pos side of the cap and regulator.

    It's been a few years ago that I built this and don't remember now if I corrected that error or not. All I remember is that it didn't deliver a very high discharge voltage across the charge battery and with only two Mosfets it blew them both out after awhile. I tore it all apart after that so can't go back and look at it now.

    Nityesh, good job on tweaking out that Sch I derived from JB's presentation.....
    I used four Mosfets when I built your Nityesh modified comparator as posted above, with only a few modifications of my own to add an LED that would flash each time it dumped the cap. I hand wired it on a perf board and used flattened out copper tubing to connect all the mosfets and caps with #8 cables to the charge battery. It seems to work pretty well and delivers a strong enough pulse to forcefully jerk a hand held magnet when held close to the 8 gauge battery cables.
    Gary Hammond,

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    Quote Originally Posted by min2oly View Post
    Not true at all, I and many others including JB give/gave freely especially when asked.




    If you want to continue living in a riddle of your own incomprehensible making that's on you.



    Look, just explain what you are trying to say in layman's terms or at least comprehensible terms. If you are truly writing a book of science to be taken seriously this should be a piece of cake...
    Hi Min2oly,
    Yes KISS...Science is straight forward but Technology is made to look complicated especially when it comes to the Patent drafting part of it.
    if you so feel that i do not understand a bit of anything of this Science...lets see if you can define these simple Scientific terms that are crux of the very technology.
    1) Asymmetrical and Symmetrical Gauging
    2) Full Regauge and Half Regauge
    3) Negative Radiant Energy and Positive Radiant Energy
    4) Non-diverged or Non-intercepted Heaviside Component related to the Radiant Energy.
    further, if seeing alone is beliveing to you or most others here..boy give it thought again..looks are very deceptive... people can feed you crap that route..so the best thing is to know it by your self first hand and thats the Science of the technology.

    @ RS
    Those 2 transistors along with the pots are required in order to change the ON and OFF times of the square wave pulses..thats is where i said it is half baked food for thought given to you..!!
    ‘Mass is the Spatial density of Matter (Particle) and the Temporal Intensity of Space (Field)’.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faraday88 View Post
    Hi Min2oly,
    Yes KISS...Science is straight forward but Technology is made to look complicated especially when it comes to the Patent drafting part of it.
    if you so feel that i do not understand a bit of anything of this Science...lets see if you can define these simple Scientific terms that are crux of the very technology.
    1) Asymmetrical and Symmetrical Gauging
    2) Full Regauge and Half Regauge
    3) Negative Radiant Energy and Positive Radiant Energy
    4) Non-diverged or Non-intercepted Heaviside Component related to the Radiant Energy.
    further, if seeing alone is beliveing to you or most others here..boy give it thought again..looks are very deceptive... people can feed you crap that route..so the best thing is to know it by your self first hand and thats the Science of the technology.
    Looks like your effort is to further riddle rather than clarify your own statement. That's all on you. I hope for your own sake your book states things more clearly.

  9. #29
    Gary, Richard, RS_,
    thank you for your inputs, but I am a little confused ...

    RS_ you are saying that JB ad P. Lindemann are showing a WRONG scheme ?! I am sure you know what you are saying and you are far more advanced than me in electronics but is very hard to believe..

    I will test the circuit on a bread board before send to manufacture a PCB.
    I will adapt the copper gauge at best, maybe a good idea would be to leave the caps and the route to the batteries outside the PCB copper and solder them with 8 gauge wire.
    About the BD234C, I think I correctly followed the scheme of the book, but you say it is wrong, could you please show me how (if possible) you would correct my scheme on the PCB ? I am putting numbers to help you explain

    PCB_PCB-man-2_20180504172813.pdf

  10. #30
    Claudio,

    YES, that is what I am saying! and I am pretty sure that PL and or Aaron drew that out with cut and paste from JB's Drawings, vs JB drawing this out his self. and mistakes happen......

    Here is a corrected SCH. I hooked the Collector of the BD243C to the 12V regulator.

    Try that out, vs the original on your bread board to see what works or not....

    On your PCB layout, i would rearrange the 7812, BD243C/TIP41 closer to the opto and timer, and push the mosfets over to the right, and then make the traces to the collectors and emitters fat, and as short as possible....


    Faraday88
    OK, that's for PWM'ing the output. 2 555 timers / 556 timer would do a better job of PWM'ing the output, and is what I have used for my Cap pulsers, until I started using a Basic Stamp, or a Arduino to do the PWM....
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