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    Senior Member Tom C's Avatar
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    Patrick,

    can you be more specific on the amp hour rating of your batteries, voltages and loads on your solid state/solar panel setup. sound like you are gonzo over the top.

    Tom C


    experimental Kits, chargers and solar trackers

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    Bob,

    Looks great man! I think you should paint some flames on it!!

    Quote Originally Posted by BobZilla View Post
    Greetings friends,

    I built a new board that I want to share with the group. I have it configured as a solid state charger at the moment but it may get converted to mechanical at a later time.

    This board is using 10A diodes on the collector, 200Ohm wire wound 1 percent resistors on the base. The coils are from Teslagenx 130ft 18Awg 4 strand (two of them) and a 2k Ohm pot.

    To start out this post I am going to do some "normal" runs with charts so we can observe it in mode 1 at various inputs and later on I will start adding in my tricks like Gen mode and cap dumping. We will just start out with basic runs though.

    Here are some shots of the board:

    Attachment 3463

    Attachment 3464


    Here is an introduction video where I describe the device and run it though some various settings. I also have a meter hooked up to look at frequency across the power coil. It is a little long but if your into this sort of thing you may enjoy it.

    VIDEO:
    https://files.secureserver.net/0sPrwGz3JOvDJ2

    Feel free to chime in with questions or comments. I post this stuff in the interest of the group, not to just talk to myself ;-)

  3. #13
    Hi Tom,
    It is over the top, Not sure what specs you're looking for exactly. 20Watt panel charges the bank. at about 2:30 I show half the bank and the SS 3T I'm using:

    The other half is on the floor, you can see the cables going down. It was the best piece of advise ever given (thanks!) add more on the back...
    I installed 12 volt MR16 leds throughout the house. Ours is the only house fully lit in a power outage - we've had 3 in 2 years, they last for about 6hours... not sure if this is a good thing when the Zombies come LoL

    "They" refers to the power outage, the batteries will last much longer of course...

    The thing about this build that has helped it, is it sits in the garage and I don't usually find myself out there fiddling around - too cold. So I set it and forget it. It's ran for years w/o me messing around w/ it... talk about conditioned batteries. I've never been able to walk away from a wheel this long for fear of it falling apart :0
    Kind Regards,
    Patrick



    Quote Originally Posted by Tom C View Post
    Patrick,

    can you be more specific on the amp hour rating of your batteries, voltages and loads on your solid state/solar panel setup. sound like you are gonzo over the top.

    Tom C
    Last edited by min2oly; 05-27-2014 at 05:08 AM. Reason: I rarely say what I mean!

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    Thanks Patrick,

    MR 16's can use a bunch of juice, most of my led type ones are 50 watt equivilant,they use 16 watts each. I was just trying to get a handle on what the current draw is on the bank in reference to what the panel and the SG are putting in. and you are right the longer a system stays in one place the better it works, Bearden calls it conditioning of the local vacuum.

    Tom C


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  5. #15
    Oh, yes, the draw. The MR 16 LED's draw about 200mA each +/-
    3 in kitchen
    4 in each bathroom
    2 in each bedroom
    1 above study
    1 above piano
    3 in pantry
    8 outside
    twice a week I feed back into the grid w/ a grid tie inverter. Manually! need to get that automated...

    Here is where the rubber hits the road:

    If I plug the panel directly to the battery bank, we don't make it to the end of the week before the batteries are down. Now, the only time I run into trouble is during those long dark winter days...
    KR,
    Patrick

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom C View Post
    Thanks Patrick,

    MR 16's can use a bunch of juice, most of my led type ones are 50 watt equivilant,they use 16 watts each. I was just trying to get a handle on what the current draw is on the bank in reference to what the panel and the SG are putting in. and you are right the longer a system stays in one place the better it works, Bearden calls it conditioning of the local vacuum.

    Tom C

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    Good stuff guys.

    Patrick I may have to pick your brain a little down the road. I would like to do what you are already doing with my setup. For now I am just going to keep running this new board through different settings and whatnot but I really want to run some solid state from solar. To me it seems like a great idea. I tried it with a wheel before but found that when the sun hides the wheel stops. Perhaps if I had of put a large cap on the front like you have done I could have fixed that but it doesn't matter now, I want to do it with SS.

    Question about all the lights you ran in your home. What kind of wiring did you use and do you think you get much loss? Originally I was thinking I would charge a bank and use an inverter because of the ability to run distances with AC but it sounds as if you use straight up DC in your application. Did you distribute all from the garage or do you move batteries around to hook-up points throughout? Honestly I have never distributed DC for more than a few feet so I am curious about the pitfalls if any.

    Also are these the type you use or similar? I just ordered a few of these to see how they perform.

    LINK:
    http://www.allelectronics.com/make-a...m-white/1.html

    BTW guys the first run is getting there, geez I just want to crank it up a bit lol. I will be lucky if I get the job done with a single primary, right now the charge is at 13.4 and primary is 11.28,,, cmon curve!


    Oh and branch maybe if I hook up my junk to the solar we will see those flames your talking about ;-)

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    Hi Patrick,
    Since this thread is about SS I won't feel too bad asking about your setup. Most of my boards are "boring" 'ol 8 x 130ft, 22awg with 250uf cpd mods. It's hard for me to compare with everyone else because that's all I have been doing. Now on the other hand your coil seems to be coming from a far far away galaxy: I counted more wires/coils then there are transistors and you have 2 yellow 250uf but only one is connected? Care to shade some light on your marathonian runner?
    Thanks
    NoFear.

  8. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by BobZilla View Post
    Question about all the lights you ran in your home. What kind of wiring did you use and do you think you get much loss? Originally I was thinking I would charge a bank and use an inverter because of the ability to run distances with AC but it sounds as if you use straight up DC in your application. Did you distribute all from the garage or do you move batteries around to hook-up points throughout? Honestly I have never distributed DC for more than a few feet so I am curious about the pitfalls if any.
    DC direct to batteries w/ fuses. I used underground yard wires, the longest run is about 65' still lights nicely, at this low amp draw I honestly do not see the difference in light compared to one I stuck right on the battery. I don't care too much about the losses as long as the batteries charge compensates. the loss will be in warmth anyway :-)

    Quote Originally Posted by BobZilla View Post
    Also are these the type you use or similar? I just ordered a few of these to see how they perform.

    LINK:
    http://www.allelectronics.com/make-a...m-white/1.html
    I have a couple of these, and some that are just bright white regular led's from china direct/via ebay - I think they have 25-50leds in the fixture. They draw a bit less, can't find them on ebay right now... I had pictures posted on the old yahoo. I'll have to take some later to post. I have a few smd's (don't like the "warm white" - really yellow)



    Quote Originally Posted by BobZilla View Post
    Oh and branch maybe if I hook up my junk to the solar we will see those flames your talking about ;-)
    Rofl...
    KR,
    Patrick

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    Hi Nofear,
    That coil has gone through various arrangements. I have it wired up as a 4 filer, the trigger wire is 1/2 the length of the 3 power winds. Yes only one cap is being used, this one also has the diode to the branch of the base resistors. those transistors were directly off the 3PM kit, I literally ripped them off the kit and soldered them to this build. I have no idea if they are matched, that goes for diodes and resistors.
    It's not my most efficient SS but it does the best job on that bank.
    KR,
    Patrick


    Quote Originally Posted by Nofear View Post
    Hi Patrick,
    Since this thread is about SS I won't feel too bad asking about your setup. Most of my boards are "boring" 'ol 8 x 130ft, 22awg with 250uf cpd mods. It's hard for me to compare with everyone else because that's all I have been doing. Now on the other hand your coil seems to be coming from a far far away galaxy: I counted more wires/coils then there are transistors and you have 2 yellow 250uf but only one is connected? Care to shade some light on your marathonian runner?
    Thanks
    NoFear.
    Last edited by min2oly; 05-27-2014 at 11:17 AM. Reason: forgot to sign...

  10. #20
    Hi,

    i'm just fascinated. Thanks to all for the info, also Tom for answering my questions on the parts and kit via email these pas few days.

    Patrick: is the 3 filar the one you show in one of your videos?

    here's my challenge: Does Bedini or anyone spec out how to design a system?
    Let's say you have to charge 1000Ah every day and you use them up overnight.
    What is the best coil (#wires, lenght, turns, core) and transistor combination to
    do that?

    Along the same line: is a 3-filar 300' 3 transitors system equivalent or better or worse
    than a 6-filar 150' 6 transistor system?

    This is my biggest source of frustration. I've used fans and build some small coils. they
    all work. The bigger the coil and the more transistors, the faster the charge... duh!

    Anyone can help with design? thanks

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