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Thread: Design for Windpower per John's DVD Number 25

  1. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by erfinder View Post
    No I am not seeking "perfect resonance", not even sure such a condition exists, and if it is, I am not sure if operating in such a condition is wise. What I have "found" is that the zero impedance condition experienced at LC resonance isn't limited to LC tuned circuits. This condition can be made broadband, operating more or less constant. My first taste of this came through my experience with the SG, this circuit has its limitations and or negative influence on the desired effect and was abandoned. Many see this effect in their SG circuits and completely ignore and or misinterpret its significance. The idea of working with known frequencies shouldn't be considered as an option when its comprehended that our systems are bathed in an infinity of frequencies. The idea is to tune to all of them, and from this position amplify the ones of immediate interest, in the presence of the others, its established fact that one can tune to one frequency and insodoing be isolated from the rest, the the opposite is also true.

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    Hi erfinder,

    Regarding the SG are you talking about this type of an example? 12 volt primary battery and stacking more than one or many more 12 volt batteries on the backend in series. Trying to get closer to resonance that way?

    I have been working with this said configuation for a while now, to me it seems the way to go... with the SG anyway. It has produced over double the speed for less current, I think what is going on is... using the batteries to tune the circuit instead of the length of the power/trigger wires, this is why the rpm of the wheel has increased vastly for the same current draw.

    My test results.

    Point 1). Below...Initial reading with one 12 volt Primary Battery Only, with a primary draw of 540mA and one 12 volt battery charging at 260mA on the secondary an rpm reading of 1023.


    Primary and Secondary Battery or batteries in series, mA readings while drawing from plus side of both batteries only.


    1) 1023rpm, 260mA - Secondary battery charging, 540mA -Primary battery draw...1 battery on the secondary (12 volts).
    2) 1823rpm, 80mA - Secondary battery charging, 500mA -Primary battery draw... 2 batteries on the Secondary (24 volts).
    3) 1890 rpm, 40mA - Secondary battery charging, 450mA -Primary battery draw...3 batteries on the Secondary (36 volts).
    4) 1911rpm, 20mA - Secondary battery charging, 430mA- Primary battery draw... 4 batteries on the Secondary (48volts).
    5) 1921rpm, 10mA - Secondary battery charging, 420mA- Primary battery draw... 5 batteries on the secondary (60 volts).

    Perhaps this may be a part of what you are talking about, but perhaps not.

    In any event, I hope you can be more specific and explain what you are saying so that a child could understand. We are all looking for the truth and clear explanations will help immensely.

    Thank you,
    Dave Wing
    Last edited by Dave Wing; 03-07-2014 at 07:51 PM.

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    Hello All,
    I want to thank everyone for their comments. John, the reason I have 16 trigger coils in the design is that I envision having several rows of batteries being charged at the same time. I would be able to discharge a row or rows, based on power requirements. I initially plan on using 1 trigger coil and add additional coils as needed. Remember, I am a newbie at this and if this concept is not doable, please let me know. I live close enough to the Gulf of Mexico and we have wind almost all of the time, so the idea of a wind generator is appealing.
    Again, thanks for all of the input,
    Bill

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    the SG is not a generator, the magnets are for the trigger and the coils are transformers. they already build very efficient wind genny systems, using neo magnets and non cogging arrangements. you should get an off the shelf design and make it yourself. you will still need a primary and secondary battery for an SG system. there are hybrid ways of doing things, but I would encourage building a single coil to start experimenting first.


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    Hi Bill,

    Like Tom said, you are better off getting a good quality wind genny and using that to charge your primary battery for your Bedini SG. If you're planning on charging multiple banks of batteries at the same time you could configure your SG for "branch currents", where you can take one bank out of the system when it's charged an replace it with a depleted bank without having to even stop the SG.
    I would experiment on a small scale first if you're interested in this.

    John K.

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    Hi Erfinder,
    I feel that you got me wrong on this. Please do not do that! the book is monumental in what it talks about. This cannot be denied unless you are a Mainstreamer who views it Politically (despite knowing the scientific Truth!), I on the other hand came into Tesla Studies and eventually understood the Teslian Wisdom because it complies with over a Dozens of Patents (working) that I have scrutinized over the Years.
    You just cannot ridicule just like that the pains taking efforts of Peter-John, who along with Tom are the only people that I know of that have Scientifically deduced to the best of their abilities and shown to the world that was almost lost for ever since Tesla him self!
    beyond this its your take I leave it you and only time will tell the truth!!
    Rgds
    Faraday88.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erfinder View Post

    ...No one understands Tesla, ...no one wants to hear the truth. Radiant energy as presented by Tesla has absolutely no relation to that which "was" being passed along to the gullible. A quick glance in the patents which in my opinion inspired the circuits under discussion were about collapsing field collection for the purpose of charging a capacitor which would be dumped into a low impedance load...sound familiar...well it should because that's exactly whats being sold off as something that its not.

    ...What can be gathered from this description is enough for one with eyes to see without a shadow of a doubt that what we have been told is radiant is in fact not radiant, call that opinion, or call it fact, study the patents, those granted to Tesla, and the 21st century patents which are a refreshing blast from the past with a few modern twists, after careful study, make up your own mind.

    ...Truth be told, people have been misled, the information has been for lack of a better way of putting it, misrepresented, whether this was intentional or not is up to the individual on the receiving end of the information to determine...

    ...I agree with you they have shown the way, but the way isn't a solution it is a way to a solution. In my opinion, one of the most important lessons taught by these gentlemen, regarding the technology, is missed by everyone, including you, I sincerely hope that you can remedy this. I could share with you what I have learned from them, but that would be a waste of time, as I'm pretty sure that you wouldn't be interested, and if you were, if I got you wrong, you wouldn't understand what I'm trying to demonstrate. Show some of your work, I look forward to seeing it, if I find that what I am doing is related to what you have done, I will share my work with you.


    Regards
    erfinder,

    I for one want to know the truth, I am not afraid to say... I do not have it all figured out exactly, with that said I do in fact keep a very open mind about anything that will change or challenge my views, I can turn on a dime to accept new truths at a moments notice, without letting my pride get in the way.

    If intentional or not I do want to know how I have been mislead and I sincerely want to know what has been missed by everyone as well.

    So again share what you know, no matter how outrageous it may be. Who cares what some may think, does their opinion really mean anything if they are disputing or going against truth?



    Dave Wing

  7. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by Tom C View Post
    Hi John_K,

    Personally, I think the AC motor topology is superior in many ways to the DC motor topology, there are a few exceptions to this, it's more or less dependent on application. This is my personal opinion.


    Regarding your question, My first modified induction motor was able to operate on both circuits, the motor was trigger coil based. This modification was my attempt at producing the equivalent of a Permanent Magnet Synchronous Motor (PMSM), driven by either of the aforementioned circuits. The first motor was a fairly large 10kw motor, the windings were broken at the internal WYE connection and all phases individualized. In this particular motor I was lucky, each phase was wound with two strands. One of these windings was used as the trigger winding and the other winding of the same phase was used as the power winding. Attempts were made to trigger all three phases using a single trigger from one phase, however, this did not function. As the motor comes with a squirrel cage rotor, it was replaced with a custom rotor, this particular motor was a two pole machine, so a two pole permanent magnet rotor was fabricated and installed. When connected to a suitable supply the motor ran. It didn't run very fast, and keeping to the tradition of the SG it didn't produce any torque. It wasn't till later that it occurred to me why the SG isn't producing torque, like the motor would in days prior to the modification and like the Window motor can and does, but that's a story for another day.


    The second motor I modified was a 3.8kw induction motor. It was completely rewound, with 18x trifilar coils, it was originally designed to operate on a 54 transistor SG circuit. The motor was setup so that there were three phases, 6 coils per phase. One trigger and 2 drive windings per phase. Each phase produced 12 stator poles so a 12 pole rotor was designed. A communications error between myself and the machinist resulted in me receiving a 9 pole rotor!!! The project was put on hold for lack of funds for a new rotor. Two months after the 9 pole rotor was delivered I was performing a test on another SG type motor when it hit me that I could salvage the 9 pole rotor by turning it into a quasi six pole rotor, three magnets, all north poles facing out. I did this and the motor runs perfectly, just not as strong as it would if the south poles weren't imaginary.....All of my SG devices are supplied with mains level voltages, and because of this, I have experienced things while using this circuit which I do not like. The weak point in this circuit as it is presented, and this is my personal opinion, is the transformer action that takes place between the power windings and the trigger winding! This transformer action coupled with the generator action already taking place in the trigger results in sudden death of high wattage pots when the circuit is operating. This is a loss which cannot be circumvented. I have seen some very clever methods for attempting to get around this issue, to include the bipolar circuit which uses a transistor in the trigger circuit. At high power input, it matters not! Ultimately the solution to the problem was isolation. The trigger if it was to be inductive, had to be removed from the power winding. However, I digress....


    The point is, a conventional induction motor can be modified to operate on either of these circuits, however, there are many key issues which need to be addressed before you attempt a modification. Today I would just save my beans and buy a PMSM. What you drive it with is up to you, just make sure you are recovering from both ends of the wire!


    Regards
    Erfinder,

    Is this some of the problems you speak of? I too and many others I am sure have found this out, but have not said much if anything about it, search the net and see what a search turns up? I could not find much if anything.

    My opinion is that the basic SG project was an open source from the beginning and it was up to the researchers to work to [solve the DC motor problem, (John Bedini even said as much)] with the inventor giving hints along the way. People were supposed to post results and improve upon the basic concept the SG presented and ultimately work together to engineer the SG into a finished, advanced powerful pulse motor.

    My intent is to not hijack this thread, sorry.

    Dave Wing

  8. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by erfinder View Post
    It all begins with a question, what exactly is CEMF? That motor was rewound to operate on the SG circuit, but for the wrong reasons. I would highly recommend that before anyone builds anything, that you ask yourself what CEMF is. When you have a bullet proof answer, then build whatever you want, built it around CEMF.

    In my opinion there is no DC motor problem. The problem is not understanding what CEMF is and how it puts the brakes on all motor types. All of the devices and principles mentioned from the SG to the G field, from the window to the zero force are teaching lessons about what CEMF is and how to manipulate it. Instead of looking at the machines, look at the CEMF which is manifesting inside them!

    Regards






    What is CEMF??? A force that opposes change in an magnetic field, such as an inductor. It resists, normal current flow. An inductor at the instance when attempting to pass current, such as when trying to creating a dipole out of an inductor, it straight up resists the formation of that dipole structure and it also does the opposite and wants to maintain the dipole when you pull the current out of said inductor. A partial comparison may be made when we exert a force on a object it pushes back on us with a certain amount of force until we overcome and break friction. If we take away the force, I can only speculate what may happen but it may be much like the energey being pulled from a charged inductor. The vacuum energy is stressed and should constantly supply a flow if we know how to get it out.


    Plainly CEMF must be what everyone calls radiant or vacuum energy that does the opposite in nature, when compared to the conventional current we all use from the grid. CEMF must always be a part of any flow of normal current.


    I am sorry but that is my best effort of what CEMF is without pounding the books at this time. Is it correct, wrong or close?



    Dave Wing

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    cemf was partially overcome using flynns parallel path arrangement, it can also be seen in the radus boot patent.... permanent magnets also exhibit CEMF within them, by resisting being moved once they are in contact with another metal object. lifting the magnet off the object is counter to the force in the magnetic flux lines..... my 1/2 cent. JB has a patent on a CEMF motor.
    https://www.google.com/patents/EP126...ed=0CFIQ6AEwBA
    https://www.google.com/patents/US639...ed=0CHUQ6AEwCQ

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    Erfinder/Dave,
    What is the maximum voltage of CEMF in a 12V battery driven "motor"/energizer?

    Tom, I enjoyed building and still do enjoy operating that patent.
    The Bedini Cole full bipolar is a nice lite-lenz regauging when overdriven generator ckt.
    memory lanes... I can't find the vid now, JB operates a window motor powered by capacitor and comments on the LENZ(cemf).
    Patrick

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