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  1. #11
    For sure Tom...

  2. #12
    Did anyone try removing the diode from the negative side of the secondary battery in gen mode. I have found it to enhance charge even further while decreasing primary amp draw. Now that I think about it, someone else on this forum may have suggested it on a different thread if my memory is correct.

    Another option instead of cascading the SG circuits, may be as per the Tesla Impulse Technology as described by John Bedini. Has anyone tried that way of doing things and putting all those tesla tech coils all on a wheel interacting with their own individual magnet on a rotor? This may produce a lot more torque at no added cost to energy consumption.

    One could even run an SG brushless motor in gen mode and power another larger SG circuited brushless motor, in conventional mode, (with the negative connected to the positive of the primary) and back pop the primary battery of the Gen mode SG brushless and get loads of extra, usable free torque off the rotor from the conventional SG brushless motor. You could loop the machine, like Tom C. Suggests, for self running and still have a good amount usable shaft energy to power something else.

    The possibilities are many. And I feel that a large brushless motor, or even the bike wheel could easily be made to do the same as this little motor in the video.

    On a side note... Here is a picture that explains a certain configuration that should be beneficial, as it was derived by John Bedini's prompting over in the Ferris wheel thread on Energetic Forum. I do have a better picture but it is not on the net or at least I cannot find it, I will post it later. There are some similarities between the two pictures below, one can plainly see that much. From what I can tell this is what we need to do to make our machines perform better, we need to be able to create a magnetic flux circulation loop, make and break that loop, so we can capture the radiant each north and south magnet pass.

    I know I said in the past I was going to make my own transistors etc. I did not go there as I got caught up in this effort to now produce a lot more torque from these machines for no extra cost, in energy consumption. Praise the Lord for all his guidance in this matter. Amen.


    Dave Wing
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    Last edited by Dave Wing; 01-21-2014 at 07:56 PM. Reason: Corrections

  3. #13
    I forgot to mention that if anyone wants to try this... According to the schematic I posted with the cascading SG circuits I am thinking it may be possible to close the loop with sending the third SG circuit back to the primary directly. I think that may work, but we may have some unknown issues, I don't know though. As I have not tried it yet... So little time... so if anyone wants to try that and let me know how it works out that would be great.

    Also I could not get capacitors(in place of the secondary batteries) to work in Generator mode, the cascading circuit would always pull off the primary battery with or without the both diodes in place. The secondary battery I put in the capacitors place seemed to fully block the draw down on the primary battery. It acted as a sort of current isolator. I need to look further into that as well, because I do not really understand that one?

    Dave wing

  4. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Wing View Post
    Did anyone try removing the diode from the negative side of the secondary battery in gen mode. I have found it to enhance charge even further while decreasing primary amp draw. Now that I think about it, someone else on this forum may have suggested it on a different thread if my memory is correct.

    Yea, that was me that mentioned it. that's my Neg to Neg mod. from what I hear this is JB's mode 4.
    I show it in one of my vids from more than 2 years ago.
    this was the first way I ran this mod, it was always very strange, I think I compared it to black magic at the time. the problem was when I used a primary at 13V to charge a battery at 12 volts.
    Does anyone have a guess why this caused a lot of heat? When you have the answer, you'll know how it has the potential to charge the primary.
    It took a month of experimenting w/ it to figure out two ways to solve the problem, one was the charge battery needs to be higher than the primary the other was the diode. I show the first in the video.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Wing View Post
    One could even run an SG brushless motor in gen mode and power another larger SG circuited brushless motor, in conventional mode, (with the negative connected to the positive of the primary) and back pop the primary battery of the Gen mode SG brushless and get loads of extra, usable free torque off the rotor from the conventional SG brushless motor. You could loop the machine, like Tom C. Suggests, for self running and still have a good amount usable shaft energy to power something else.
    I like this idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Wing View Post
    On a side note... Here is a picture that explains a certain configuration that should be beneficial, as it was derived by John Bedini's prompting over in the Ferris wheel thread on Energetic Forum. I do have a better picture but it is not on the net or at least I cannot find it, I will post it later. There are some similarities between the two pictures below, one can plainly see that much. From what I can tell this is what we need to do to make our machines perform better, we need to be able to create a magnetic flux circulation loop, make and break that loop, so we can capture the radiant each north and south magnet pass.
    A bunch of us tried this but did not get far enough in the experiments to get the balance worked out. I still work on it from time to time. I also have a small version of the second schematic on the bench. This is a fantastic charger! I encourage all to build it. very simple. it's best on the Bedini/Cole ckt.


    Amen. Dave Wing[/QUOTE]

    Amen!

  5. #15
    Patrick,

    I thought about what you are saying and understand...

    I know now and have seen what you are saying about if the secondary drops below the primary voltage, the primary will try and equalize with the lower voltage secondary, flowing current from the primary battery to the secondary battery. So why not let the secondary charge the primary by removing all diodes, from the secondary battery... Seems good to me. I have not done the experiment yet but it should work, at least in my mind.

    Patrick thanks for the push in that direction.

    Mikey, I will put a better video out with more detail, perhaps tomorrow.

    DaveWing
    Last edited by Dave Wing; 01-22-2014 at 07:02 PM. Reason: Corrections

  6. #16
    Dave,

    Can you put any load on it (like a car lamp) or does it only work with the motors?
    Looks very impressive.

    Thanks,

    Karel

  7. #17
    Hi all,

    Here is a better video of the machine depicted in the earlier video above.



    I forgot to show how adjustments on the machine, via turning the pot, in and out of one pulse, maybe next time.

    The NSNSNSNS configuration, with no magnet gaps on the rotor allows the machine to enter a solid state SG condition, with multiple pulses per magnet pass. We know as a group the our efficiencies and charging have always gone up in the solid state mode over the single pulse per magnet pass on a wheel. As well our input current will go way down, so we win two ways and still generate some excess torque.


    Dave Wing
    Last edited by Dave Wing; 01-23-2014 at 01:59 PM. Reason: Additions

  8. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Wing View Post
    Patrick,

    I thought about what you are saying and understand...

    I know now and have seen what you are saying about if the secondary drops below the primary voltage, the primary will try and equalize with the lower voltage secondary, flowing current from the primary battery to the secondary battery. So why not let the secondary charge the primary by removing all diodes, from the secondary battery... Seems good to me. I have not done the experiment yet but it should work, at least in my mind.

    Patrick thanks for the push in that direction.

    Mikey, I will put a better video out with more detail, perhaps tomorrow.

    DaveWing
    Hi Dave,
    please do not try this with a full setup. i've done this experiment, it's interesting, but use little batteries and one cheep transistor, you might change your mind...
    kind regards,
    Patrick

  9. #19
    Hi Patrick,

    I tried it last night and it would not rotate the wheel, but it did energize the stator and when it was spun by hand in this condition it did generate a current draw, but would not run. I think the trigger was being energized by the secondary battery and putting the machine into a constantly on position, as polarity would be correct for the trigger.

    Did you ever try it with a separate trigger outside of the power windings and if so what were the results?

    Thanks,

    Dave Wing

  10. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by knagtegl View Post
    Dave,

    Can you put any load on it (like a car lamp) or does it only work with the motors?
    Looks very impressive.

    Thanks,

    Karel

    No I have not tried it, it is something that should be tried, but there may be issues.

    If you want to power something, another option is to possibly use the SG primary battery as a power source while charging the back end, secondary battery. I know John Bedini has mentioned in a statement somewhere out there on the net that he used his big batteries that way.

    Dave Wing

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