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  1. #21
    Sounds interesting, I might need to read that a few more times to understand what is being said though.

    I don't want to sound mysterious or coy but not everything I have learned gets posted. I generally will post fundamental aspects and leave the rest for someone to play with if they wish. There are many ways to expand on the "cap dancing" method I described but the basic idea is what I presented.

    I tell you what that reminds me off in a way,, the EARLY work that Mr. Bearden put out in reference to Mr. Bedini's methods. Especially the idea of fast switching and separating the ION flow and the Electron flow into separate open paths. You can charge and run a load at the same time with proper switching. Sometimes we get lucky and hit a sub harmonic. Part of what I was doing in some of my suggestions with varying your pulse rather than the same thing over and over was with that in mind, if your really lucky you may hit the proper frequency and tickle sub harmonics of it too.

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by BobZilla View Post
    Greetings friends,

    I have an interesting concept I am working with for cap-dumping and I wanted to share.

    Before I get to the charts and video I want to explain what I am trying to accomplish and the theory behind it.

    Mr. Bedini told a story of Mr. Tesla observing the radiant energy rushing in on the old DC power plant transmission lines. The condition for this was that the generators were already up and running with high voltage but the knife switch had not been thrown to start the distribution from the generator to the endpoints. Well we know that it doesn’t really come from the generator (thanks to Mr. Bearden) but that is not the point.

    What is described is the condition where you have a voltage potential without current flow. The radiant flows in just before the current begins moving, when the distribution switch was thrown. It only lasts for a VERY short period of time that exists before the slower current can start to move behind the radiant.

    With the very high voltages of those old power plant generators it was described that they could actually see the energy suck in towards the line and display massive arcs. We cannot see this behavior in our systems but it is there.

    Now with that understanding I want to explain what my experimental cap dump method is doing. I started out playing with different timing loops for dumping the same as everyone else. I found what seemed to work the best and was pretty happy with my results. Then I started thinking about the heart of the matter, dipoles! This is where the magic happens both on the cap dumps and within the SG circuit all forms of radiant harvesting are one way or another tricking dipoles into giving up some energy.

    My system is an attempt to maximize dipole contribution. I knew that each dump from the cap was producing a dipole event but could this be improved? YES, I think it can!

    In my system think of the capacitor as the power plant, it is sitting there with a voltage potential greater than the charge battery, and for periods it is not moving current. The Mosfets take the place of the knife switch on the distribution lines. What I am doing is giving a charge period on the cap and dumping it with a somewhat short period, that is the first phase but there is more. I have it timed so that the cap does not give up all of its potential in that first dump. As it is dumping I switch it off, then on for a very short period, off again, on again, many times before the first phase repeats.

    The idea is to create a charge with phase one and then distribute it by rapidly throwing the switch which creates many dipole events per single charge pump cycle. We have to raise the potential to charge but we do not have to release it all at once. I want to harvest as many dipoles as I can out of that initial charge on the cap.


    It results in about a 2A pulse, and then many 1A or less pulses trailing the primary pulse very rapidly. I envision it like a tap dancer on the capacitor; he activates the dipole once with a hard step and then tickles it many more times lightly. Each time the circuit makes and breaks the dipole to allow more radiant to flow in (in theory).

    Of course we have no meters for radiant to prove that this is working but from my understanding of Mr. Tesla’s observation I am creating a mini power plant (the cap) with an insanely fast switch operator (micro controlled Mosfets), on a much smaller scale.

    In addition to the basic principal I am intentionally creating a time-shift in the “dance” pulses. Some are 65, 75, 85, 125. I do this with the idea that this energy has been said to be like a gas, or a liquid if it’s easier to think of that way. I am creating abnormal amplitude changes by manipulating the time.

    Imagine if you could look at some ripples on water from a 2d side perspective. If they all came at exactly at the same time say 50/50, and you could only see a narrow view at the lowest point on the wave. This would always look the same amplitude and if you could only harvest that energy from that single perspective you may be missing the best potential at the top of the wave right? So by changing up the time on my “waves” I am creating a moving center point where I think it is more likely for varying degrees of energy to enter. To put it another way I do not want a perfect wave over and over, I am mixing it up to allow for a greater potential.

    Here is the code I am using to make these dipole events happen. The cap dumper is driven by an Arduino micro controller. I have a 5AH supply battery running it which is isolated from the rest of the circuit. It draws only about 45ma to power the board and fire the Mosfet gates.

    int mosfet = 4;
    void setup() {
    pinMode(mosfet, OUTPUT);}
    void loop() {
    digitalWrite(mosfet, LOW) ;
    delay (600) ;
    digitalWrite(mosfet, HIGH) ;
    delay (65) ;
    digitalWrite(mosfet, LOW) ;
    delay (65) ;
    digitalWrite(mosfet, HIGH) ;
    delay (65) ;
    digitalWrite(mosfet, LOW) ;
    delay (75) ;
    digitalWrite(mosfet, HIGH) ;
    delay (65) ;
    digitalWrite(mosfet, LOW) ;
    delay (65) ;
    digitalWrite(mosfet, HIGH) ;
    delay (65) ;
    digitalWrite(mosfet, LOW) ;
    delay (85) ;
    digitalWrite(mosfet, HIGH) ;
    delay (65) ;
    digitalWrite(mosfet, LOW) ;
    delay (65) ;
    digitalWrite(mosfet, HIGH) ;
    delay (65) ;
    digitalWrite(mosfet, LOW) ;
    delay (125) ;
    digitalWrite(mosfet, HIGH) ;
    delay (65) ;
    digitalWrite(mosfet, LOW) ;
    delay (65) ;
    digitalWrite(mosfet, HIGH) ;
    delay (65) ;
    digitalWrite(mosfet, LOW) ;
    delay (175) ;
    digitalWrite(mosfet, HIGH) ;
    delay (65) ;
    digitalWrite(mosfet, LOW) ;
    delay (65) ;
    digitalWrite(mosfet, HIGH) ;
    delay (65) ;
    digitalWrite(mosfet, LOW) ;
    delay (75) ;
    digitalWrite(mosfet, HIGH) ;
    delay (65) ;
    digitalWrite(mosfet, LOW) ;
    delay (65) ;
    digitalWrite(mosfet, HIGH) ;
    delay (65) ;
    digitalWrite(mosfet, LOW) ;
    delay (85) ;
    digitalWrite(mosfet, HIGH) ;
    delay (65) ;
    digitalWrite(mosfet, LOW) ;
    delay (65) ;
    digitalWrite(mosfet, HIGH) ;
    delay (65) ;
    digitalWrite(mosfet, LOW) ;
    delay (125) ;
    digitalWrite(mosfet, HIGH) ;
    delay (65) ;
    digitalWrite(mosfet, LOW) ;
    delay (65) ;
    digitalWrite(mosfet, HIGH) ;
    delay (65) ;
    digitalWrite(mosfet, LOW) ;
    delay (175) ;
    digitalWrite(mosfet, HIGH) ;
    delay (65) ;
    digitalWrite(mosfet, LOW) ;
    delay (65) ;
    digitalWrite(mosfet, HIGH) ;
    delay (65) ;
    }

    One thing to note is that the shortest time in the system is 65ms. This is because the Mosfets can not switch properly if I try to go any shorter, they are fast but do have a limit.

    I am still experimenting heavily with the proper timing and how many events to try and trigger but the basis of the theory is there.

    The cap is being charged to 23v and falls back to about 18v before the cycle repeats. The primary draw is about 1.2A, it bounces around with the cap discharges so it is hard to say exactly. I also did this run on the fixed resistor instead of the pot which makes it draw harder at first but as the primary voltage drops so does the draw. I usually use the pot and make adjustments as the primary draws down.

    The chart looks a little choppy on the curve because of the odd timings involved. The meter only samples once per second so we are catching it in the chart at different phases of the cycle.

    Here is a chart of 17AH AGM, but it has been flooded. This is a salvaged battery that I have converted to a wet cell. I could have stopped the charge many hours before I did but I think this particular battery could still use some conditioning so I let it run a bit long. It is hard to see on the chart but the battery was dead to start, about 12.1v. I should have put a long rest period before starting but I forgot to do that. As the chart builds it shrinks up and it is hard to see the starting voltage.

    Attachment 2741

    And finally I have a video for those interested in seeing this in action. Look closely at the Amp meter and you will see the “dancing”. I am also showing the RPM and temp checks on the components. Note that this machine is running in generator mode as shown by Mr. Bedini in part 33 DVD. This system is tuned well and I have virtually no heat. I do not think I needed the heat sinks but they are already attached. The diode on the dump board gets a few degrees above the rest of the components but that is about it.

    https://files.secureserver.net/0s5hQtZsNYxa5F

    Thanks----Bob
    Hi Bob,
    I have much respect for your work as well. I'ld love to replicate and scope out this cap dump event. I've never used an arduino. Would you have any suggestions on were to start? My preference would be to match your build as closely as possible.


    Here is a vid, the purpose of the vid was NOT to show the pre-spike but it does:

  3. #23
    Hi Patrick,

    I would be more than happy to help you with anything you may have questions on. The stuff in this thread is old and probably half ripped apart or in a junk drawer, geez I have tons of that kind of thing going on around here.

    I still build all sorts of aurduino controlled stuff though and I probably know quite a bit more now than I did back when I was posting this. Do not be intimidated by the idea of having to program the MC, for cap dumps or SS switching it is super simple. There are a lot of things you can do beyond switching with them but just start off with using it as a switch. All your really doing is defining an on time and an off time and if you want to make the dipole dancing you just make more off and on commands. The whole thing plays in a loop and that's it, trust me it's really easy.

    It depends on if your cap dumping or driving a SS as to how you want to time things. For example lets say we want to cap dump. To be on the safe side we would set the ON period pretty long and the off period very short and then start adjusting from what we observe. The reason is if we are feeding our cap too fast we don't want it to overfill so a long on time will pass it through to the battery, as we shorten up that on time the cap will fill faster because it is stacking up the voltage for longer then the on period dumps that. Conversely the off period being short does the same thing in a way, the point is you want to start out conservative and find the rate that your cap charges and then tune to it. You will quickly get a feel for it. Now if your using it to switch a SS setup then a long off and a really short on is how to start. This is so that with the really short on time you do not over saturate the coil, then you can walk up your on time and or decrease the off time to tune in.

    To give you an idea of what I look for in a coil to run a SS on I will generally want a coil that if connected full on can pull about 5 or so amps. I don't want to run at 5A but by testing it that way I know that it will offer the right resistance and have a decent capacitance. The truth is though that with the MC you can tune for just about any coil you just have to dial it in.

    Depending on if you want to make a small'ish unit or a large one you are going to need a few things. you can either use FETS or SSR's. I have used both and they both work well but I am partial to the SSR's these days. I use 40A crydom d1's for large setups, meaning my charge target will be between 60-200AH banks. For smaller stuff you can get cheap SSR's that are rated at 4A or use a FET. Just make sure whatever device you choose to use that it's trigger side is low voltage (usually it will be 3-30V) the MC can only put out 5v@20ma so make sure the device will respond to that. I prefer to put a diode on my cap dumps so that the battery cannot feed back towards the cap, not completely necessary but I like it that way and it prevents sparks when you hook up to a battery, without that the cap sucks off the battery and you get a spark.

    I am going to shoot some video for you to show some of the things I have made with the MC and how they work. I think I am better at explaining stuff when I'm looking at it and talking about it.

    For cheap MC I order them from this link below. It takes awhile for them to arrive from china but I have never recieved a dud from them and the price is right.

    Link:
    https://www.fasttech.com/products/1001700

    Here are the cheap SSR I have been using. Again this would be for small stuff, mostly for driving a SS coil and not so much for dumping but if small enough it would work.
    Link:
    http://www.ebay.com/p/Input-3-32v-DC...-B3/1242205384

    The crydom 40A SSR are very expensive and you can find them on mouser or digi-key but sometimes you can find listings for salvage deals.

    Anyway I am going to make that video for you so be sure to check back---Bob

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by BobZilla View Post
    Hi Patrick,

    I would be more than happy to help you with anything you may have questions on. The stuff in this thread is old and probably half ripped apart or in a junk drawer, geez I have tons of that kind of thing going on around here.

    I still build all sorts of aurduino controlled stuff though and I probably know quite a bit more now than I did back when I was posting this. Do not be intimidated by the idea of having to program the MC, for cap dumps or SS switching it is super simple. There are a lot of things you can do beyond switching with them but just start off with using it as a switch. All your really doing is defining an on time and an off time and if you want to make the dipole dancing you just make more off and on commands. The whole thing plays in a loop and that's it, trust me it's really easy.

    It depends on if your cap dumping or driving a SS as to how you want to time things. For example lets say we want to cap dump. To be on the safe side we would set the ON period pretty long and the off period very short and then start adjusting from what we observe. The reason is if we are feeding our cap too fast we don't want it to overfill so a long on time will pass it through to the battery, as we shorten up that on time the cap will fill faster because it is stacking up the voltage for longer then the on period dumps that. Conversely the off period being short does the same thing in a way, the point is you want to start out conservative and find the rate that your cap charges and then tune to it. You will quickly get a feel for it. Now if your using it to switch a SS setup then a long off and a really short on is how to start. This is so that with the really short on time you do not over saturate the coil, then you can walk up your on time and or decrease the off time to tune in.

    To give you an idea of what I look for in a coil to run a SS on I will generally want a coil that if connected full on can pull about 5 or so amps. I don't want to run at 5A but by testing it that way I know that it will offer the right resistance and have a decent capacitance. The truth is though that with the MC you can tune for just about any coil you just have to dial it in.

    Depending on if you want to make a small'ish unit or a large one you are going to need a few things. you can either use FETS or SSR's. I have used both and they both work well but I am partial to the SSR's these days. I use 40A crydom d1's for large setups, meaning my charge target will be between 60-200AH banks. For smaller stuff you can get cheap SSR's that are rated at 4A or use a FET. Just make sure whatever device you choose to use that it's trigger side is low voltage (usually it will be 3-30V) the MC can only put out 5v@20ma so make sure the device will respond to that. I prefer to put a diode on my cap dumps so that the battery cannot feed back towards the cap, not completely necessary but I like it that way and it prevents sparks when you hook up to a battery, without that the cap sucks off the battery and you get a spark.

    I am going to shoot some video for you to show some of the things I have made with the MC and how they work. I think I am better at explaining stuff when I'm looking at it and talking about it.

    For cheap MC I order them from this link below. It takes awhile for them to arrive from china but I have never recieved a dud from them and the price is right.

    Link:
    https://www.fasttech.com/products/1001700

    Here are the cheap SSR I have been using. Again this would be for small stuff, mostly for driving a SS coil and not so much for dumping but if small enough it would work.
    Link:
    http://www.ebay.com/p/Input-3-32v-DC...-B3/1242205384

    The crydom 40A SSR are very expensive and you can find them on mouser or digi-key but sometimes you can find listings for salvage deals.

    Anyway I am going to make that video for you so be sure to check back---Bob
    Bob
    I appreciate your willingness to help out so much, i am looking forward to this video, i also have interest in the MC.

  5. #25
    Hi Brian,
    Glad to help if you get anything from it. I have shot a video here to start off with. In this I am going over the parts on my cap dumper and showing the basics of how to program the MC. This alone is enough for you guys to build one yourselves if you wanted to but I think I will make more videos. It's just to much to try and cover in one session so if you guys like this let me know and I can elaborate on more settings.

    This first video is necessary just to explain how the machine is setup.

    https://1drv.ms/v/s!AmzmftzD-V0miF7YL2aqJ_HtvbKr

  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by BobZilla View Post
    Hi Brian,
    Glad to help if you get anything from it. I have shot a video here to start off with. In this I am going over the parts on my cap dumper and showing the basics of how to program the MC. This alone is enough for you guys to build one yourselves if you wanted to but I think I will make more videos. It's just to much to try and cover in one session so if you guys like this let me know and I can elaborate on more settings.

    This first video is necessary just to explain how the machine is setup.

    https://1drv.ms/v/s!AmzmftzD-V0miF7YL2aqJ_HtvbKr
    Hi Bob,
    Nice! Thanks for the Vid good to know you can get the effect with the SSR. I have more consistency when I use that as apposed to trying to get the FET's to turn off at these speeds. Arduino on the way, maybe next week...
    I'm going to add this to my pre-spike setup C watts up :-)
    KR - Patrick

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by min2oly View Post
    Hi Bob,
    Nice! Thanks for the Vid good to know you can get the effect with the SSR. I have more consistency when I use that as apposed to trying to get the FET's to turn off at these speeds. Arduino on the way, maybe next week...
    I'm going to add this to my pre-spike setup C watts up :-)
    KR - Patrick
    Just have time for a quick comment, I'm on lunch. You probably know it already but if you do maybe it helps for others to hear,, for FETS to switch fast I recommend a 10kOhm resistor placed between the gate and the source pins. It helps to quickly drain the capacitance out of the gate junction by bleeding it off to ground which gets you that fast off.

    I will shoot another video on the cap dumper to show a few different speeds and such, maybe tonight or at least next few days.

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by BobZilla View Post
    Hi Brian,
    Glad to help if you get anything from it. I have shot a video here to start off with. In this I am going over the parts on my cap dumper and showing the basics of how to program the MC. This alone is enough for you guys to build one yourselves if you wanted to but I think I will make more videos. It's just to much to try and cover in one session so if you guys like this let me know and I can elaborate on more settings.

    This first video is necessary just to explain how the machine is setup.

    https://1drv.ms/v/s!AmzmftzD-V0miF7YL2aqJ_HtvbKr
    Bob
    Thank you for shooting the video, very interesting, i am looking forward to more explanation on this, i think i will definitely be ordering an arduino very soon, i was checking out the site you mentioned in an earlier post, seems very reasonable priced.

  9. #29
    Alright so I am back with another part 2 video. In this one I walk the machine through a few short charge/discharge cycles. In each charge I took one of the caps out of the dumpers circuit so we are looking at increasing the voltage and lowering the capacitance with each step as a result.

    Here are the charts:
    stressTest_charge_1.JPG

    stressTest_capV_1.JPG

    The video is another sort of long one but it shows a little bit of each cycle as it's happening and has my ramblings. ---Bob

    https://1drv.ms/v/s!AmzmftzD-V0miF8q406cus6LiO2w

  10. #30
    Thank you for the time and effort you put into making this video (and all your videos). What you are doing and your results were very clear to me. The only thing is, I do not consider your comments as rambling as I found them very helpful and direct. It will take some time for my mind to chew on everything I saw and how to apply to my own pet projects.

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