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Hi Paul,
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Hi Gary,
Yes, I was thinking it might be hard to get a crankshaft to flywheel to work well, but then again who knows it is all unexplored. Your idea sounds great. Might only add a couple percent but you could consider piezoelectrics as the bumpers for the max/min of the lever oscillation. I think I saw Velko doing something with piezos. Could always increase those rpms if you go loop the loop, sorry, you and your grandson are the ones doing all the work, I'm just the guy that is excited because I wanted to do something similar.
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Hi Paul,
Originally posted by ZPDM View Post.........Will be interesting to see if you can get the whole thing working with power out from the lever end, sounds like you will use a crankshaft to spin a "flux gate" generator, which would be interesting sans the whole two stage oscillator part.Last edited by Gary Hammond; 05-02-2019, 12:26 PM.
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Hi Gary,
Today I learned, "This is normal behavior and caused by the bicycle lever seeing more weight at the top of the backward swing than it does at the top of the forward swing due to the position of the swinging weight on the pendulum."
Yes of course, "The farther away from a pivot point on a lever the mass is, the more torque it applies to the lever." Don't I feel silly, but seriously I hadn't noticed that before with the two stage oscillator, thx. Well ... uh .... sounds like you have everything under control.
Will be interesting to see if you can get the whole thing working with power out from the lever end, sounds like you will use a crankshaft to spin a "flux gate" generator, which would be interesting sans the whole two stage oscillator part.
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If the one two punch doesn't wind up working, you can always have 3 coils in a row - one at the bottom like now and one on either side spaced appropriately and a simple SG circuit will still work for each. That would probably be more efficient than having an SG type circuit pull and push because with repulsion, you get that bucking loss you can't get back but that is non-existant in attraction mode.
With attraction you'll have the cogging to overcome, which is normal and does reduce the mechanical work on the pendulum but if you wanted to go all out, you could short a coil on the same core right after the transistor shuts off to create a mild counter current that will essentially neutralize the cogging. But then you'd have to figure out the timing of that short to get it to work in two directions as well. Anyway, something to think about - is uses Lenz's Law to your advantage. Magnet induces current into shorted coil and shorted coil will make a magnetic field that repels the magnet. It has to be tuned with the right number of windings, etc. and can be done so there is such little repulsion that the magnet just swings on by after it is attracted to the coil from the initial SG attraction mode cycle. Anyway, food for thought for later advanced experiments.Last edited by Aaron Murakami; 05-01-2019, 04:38 PM.
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Hi Paul,
One issue I suspect you might run into with this set-up is that as the pendulum increases the magnitude of its swing, the bicycle frame lever will increase the magnitude of its oscillation. In turn as the magnitude of the oscillation of the lever increaes this will modestly distort/alter the swing of the pendulum. Don't know if it will affect the minimum distance between the pendulum and coil but it clearly will affect the angle of the incoming magnet. Hence, the firing of the coil will be to some extent dependant on the magnitude of oscillation of the lever.
I would guess if one constrained the oscillation of the lever to a set maximum, once the lever was consistently oscillating at this maximum one would have a consistent behavior of the incoming magnet to engineer the triggering.
One thing I find interesting in the video is the lever seems to have two behaviors and the amplitude of one swing looks to be nearly half the amplitude of the other. Maybe this would be corrected/changed by a bipoolar commutator circuit such as you are working on. Actually why the heck is one oscillation of the lever strong and the next weak? That is strange, it is not a subtle finding you can see it in your video, you can even hear it Da da Da da Da da, it also isn't chaotic it consistenly is following that pattern. The lever is being driven by the pendulum, this implies that one end of the pendulum rotation is higher in magnitude than the next one 180 degrees opposite, yet the coil is being triggered when the magnet comes in from either direction correct? If so it would seem the strength of the firing depends on which direction the magnet approached the coil from which again seems pretty strange, could that be a thing?
One last thought, does that behavior remain if you stop gathering energy from the third coil to feed back into the system?
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"doesn't trigger as well as the first circuit"
One issue I suspect you might run into with this set-up is that as the pendulum increases the magnitude of its swing, the bicycle frame lever will increase the magnitude of its oscillation. In turn as the magnitude of the oscillation of the lever increaes this will modestly distort/alter the swing of the pendulum. Don't know if it will affect the minimum distance between the pendulum and coil but it clearly will affect the angle of the incoming magnet. Hence, the firing of the coil will be to some extent dependant on the magnitude of oscillation of the lever. I would guess if one constrained the oscillation of the lever to a set maximum, once the lever was consistently oscillating at this maximum one would have a consistent behavior of the incoming magnet to engineer the triggering. One thing I find interesting in the video is the lever seems to have two behaviors and the amplitude of one swing looks to be nearly half the amplitude of the other. Maybe this would be corrected/changed by a bipoolar commutator circuit such as you are working on. Actually why the heck is one oscillation of the lever strong and the next weak? That is strange, it is not a subtle finding you can see it in your video, you can even hear it Da da Da da Da da, it also isn't chaotic it consistenly is following that pattern. The lever is being driven by the pendulum, this implies that one end of the pendulum rotation is higher in magnitude than the next one 180 degrees opposite, yet the coil is being triggered when the magnet comes in from either direction correct? If so it would seem the strength of the firing depends on which direction the magnet approached the coil from which again seems pretty strange, could that be a thing? A bipolar commutation might change this, or again I said it intitially for the most part in jest, but if you used a lighter pendulum and did a full 360 degrees of rotation you would always have the coil being triggered by the magnet coming in from the same direction. One last thought, does that behavior remain if you stop gathering energy from the third coil to feed back into the system?Last edited by ZPDM; 05-01-2019, 01:06 PM.
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Hi RS,
Originally posted by RS_ View PostThat will be very interesting if the 2 back to back H11D1's will switch correctly with the incoming magnet, and the out going magnet phase....
if it does work, than you can feed the spike back to the front end Cap to increase the power to the circuit, or to a cap pulser to charge other batterys..... as showen in one of the BJ/Cole Schematics
And when the timing light pickup is hooked up to the charge battery lead, it flashes about 1/8" before the magnet reaches top dead center of the core when the trigger winding switches polarity. This should theoretically be the point where the attraction H11D1 turns off and the repulsion H11D1 turns on.
I haven't had a chance to build the Bedini/Cole circuit yet to see if it will actually do this or not? I'm hoping there is enough switching delay to prevent both devices from being on at the same time. And we will also harvest the spikes with the option of feedback to the front end or a separate battery.
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That will be very interesting if the 2 back to back H11D1's will switch correctly with the incoming magnet, and the out going magnet phase....
if it does work, than you can feed the spike back to the front end Cap to increase the power to the circuit, or to a cap pulser to charge other batterys..... as showen in one of the BJ/Cole Schematics
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Hi Aaron,
Originally posted by Aaron Murakami View PostWith the ZFM circuit, there is probably a way to use some kind of flip-flop, 0,1 counter circuit - 0 fires one polarity and 1 fires the other. That 01010101 repeats so it will fire correctly no matter which way the pendulum is swinging in relation to the coil. I don't know enough about those circuits to show you a design, I just know that it can be done like that.
It has been done on gas generators to fire once when needed but not when it is not so therefore, it won't prematurely ignite hho that is injected from the air intake. That is a circuit method of firing every other time to eliminate wasted spark firing.
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With the ZFM circuit, there is probably a way to use some kind of flip-flop, 0,1 counter circuit - 0 fires one polarity and 1 fires the other. That 01010101 repeats so it will fire correctly no matter which way the pendulum is swinging in relation to the coil. I don't know enough about those circuits to show you a design, I just know that it can be done like that.
It has been done on gas generators to fire once when needed but not when it is not so therefore, it won't prematurely ignite hho that is injected from the air intake. That is a circuit method of firing every other time to eliminate wasted spark firing.
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Keep in mind that in attraction mode, it is the "scalar" field between the magnets that triggers the transistor and not the field off the face of the magnet itself. If you have one magnet on the pendulum, you will have that opposite field coming out next to that magnet but not sure it will be focused or strong enough at the core to trigger the transistor.
Do you know what I mean?
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Hi RS,
Originally posted by RS_ View Postwow, someone really butchered one of my Schematics. i'm not even sure what it's susposta do.....
A better way (as suggested by Aaron) might be to use the "Bedini - Cole" bipolar switch, if I could figure out how to trigger it from either direction.
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wow, someone really butchered one of my Schematics. i'm not even sure what it's susposta do.....
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after studying this. i see that they are trying to get the charging battery to drive the the 2nd transistor from a 2nd trigger coil.....
but this hookup will not work the way it is drawn.....Last edited by RS_; 04-30-2019, 10:07 AM.
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HiAaron,
I found the thread I was partially remembering at http://www.energyscienceforum.com/sh...bigmotherwhale . I think with a little modification, this might do what I want.
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