The Toy Build

[BobZilla]

Hi RS,

Yes I do charge mine with a small solid state I built years ago running a mode 1 output. I have also charged them from a wheeled machine also mode 1 output. I do not use them as the primary on anything although you probably could. I like them for my flashlights to be honest. I do not focus to much on the efficiency of the charging although it's probably in line with whatever your machines usually do. For me they are more just a practical solution for small devices that use alkaline batteries. I have a bunch of nimh that i used to use in those devices but the 1.6v of these cells is golden. Your mileage may vary but I would say pick some up and give them a try, just get a few in case you aren't happy with the results you won't have put much money into them.

[Gary Hammond]

I've never had very good luck with NiCads in anything. And I also haven't had any success trying to rejuvenate them either. The NiMH's on the other hand have worked very well for me in most applications. However there are some that could definitely use the higher voltage of the NiZn's. I may have to get some of these to try out!

[RS_]

Hi Bob,

These NiZn cells are very interesting... I have heard of them, but never seen anyone using them in a Bedini type charger.... Can you expound on there use in Bedini charger applications..?

I built a solid state Bedini charger quite a few years ago that I could use them in if they are suitable to the SSG type direct spike charging..... Have used the 2000mAh AA NI-CD for this project before....... Depending on how they charge with Bedini chargers, this make a lot of difference in the performance of the system....

[BobZilla]

I'll tell you one cell I REALLY like for small service stuff like that (flashlights, meters etc..) Nickle Zinc,, search google for NiZN batteries and you will find some examples. What is so great about them is they have a 1.6v charge rather than the usual 1.2 of a typical rechargeable AA. They run devices more like a fresh disposable alkaline because of the higher voltage yet are compatible with anything that is designed for AA/AAA. Some devices don't really care but especially flashlights, love them. Nice and bright.

They do require a special charger for normal people to use them but guys like us can charge them with our own methods. If you have any flashlights that you really notice are not as bright as they used to be on alkaline give some NiZn cells a try. You can get just a few cells pretty cheap to try out.

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Hey Brian great to see you man. You posted in between while I was replying to Gary so just editing this post to say hello. AHH reeds and relays huh,, you may remember I did a lot of work along those lines, actually most of my machines still use that type of a system. I'll tell you a neat trick you may want to try. I am using a small genny coil, i mean really small to switch a 50A relay directly. Rather than have a 5v source behind a reed to switch the control side of the relay, I just drive it with a genny. I might show you what I mean in a video sometime soon. All I'm saying is think about the idea, you can get enough voltage and current from a coil to provide the control signal for the relay.

[Brian McNece]

Hey bob glad to see you’re still around, I always enjoyed your videos. I still mess around with the solid state chargers you showed us. Also took time to build an electrolyzer for bubbling browns gas through drinking water. Reports I’ve read say it’s very healthy for you, I think I would have to agree. My current project is a 36” wheeled energizer using reeds and relays.

Hello everyone, been awhile, how are the experiments going these days?

[Gary Hammond]

Hi Bob,

Ever consider nickle iron batteries?

I haven't tried any nickel iron batteries, but I have replaced nearly all the small alkaline dry cells in most of the devices in our house with NiMH ones that I recharge with my 1AU charger. Sure beats buying disposable AAA's, AA's, C cells, D cells, and 9 volts all the time for all the clocks, caller ID's, remotes, test meters, and flashlights we have.

Guess I could build up some battery banks with them to get higher voltages for experimentation. I see they also are available in an F size for higher current applications.

[BobZilla]

Good to hear your still at my friend. Ever consider nickle iron batteries? They are expensive but you can abuse the hell out of them and they don't care. The key is that the internal process does not consume plate material at all so you can under charge them/ over charge them or don't charge them at all and the plates remain fine.

I also still have a ton of those lifePO4 cells I was playing with. You can charge those with mode 1 but it really doesn't do at too well. If you throw a common ground circuit at them they do just fine though as long as you don't over charge them.

[Gary Hammond]

how are the experiments going these days?

I experimented with an attraction motor powering a G-field (flux gate) alternator that showed some very interesting properties. I want to build a better one from scratch and power it with a split the negative four battery rotation set up. I did this process with my SSG and it was able to keep the batteries charged with continuous running. The only problem was my batteries were too large for the machine to top the batteries to 15 volts each cycle. They were topping out around 14 volts which will eventually kill the batteries.

Then I got sidetracked into experimenting with water fog and plasma ignition in internal combustion engines. And most recently got sidetracked again by my grandson wanting to build a two stage mechanical oscillator. We're in the middle of that now and he's deserted me for the summer. So far we've gotten mixed results with that. I still haven't developed a suitable generator output for it.

Life and grandkids seem to have a way of diverting my intentions. LOL

[BobZilla]

Hey Gary, good to see you. I'm still running my machines & charging batteries. I have not built anything new for awhile, made modifications to existing prototypes but nothing all new. I have been getting the itch to try some ideas out though.

[Gary Hammond]

Hi Bob,

Hello everyone, been awhile, how are the experiments going these days?

Been wondering what happened to you. Welcome back!!

[BobZilla]

Hello everyone, been awhile, how are the experiments going these days?

[BobZilla]

Hey Bob,
Sorry if i offended you..that was never my intention pal!! yes that patent I have been acquainted with for several years now...and the fig 1 Indeed depicts apparently simple ON-OFF switch and mechanical one in specific. but the same fig.1 also has a component 36 apparently a trigger's component how do think you can account for this component in your understanding of the simple switching you describe in your video with the reed switches.. Just my guess i feel the fig.1 and fig .2 are used in conjunction to each other.
your comments are valued in my opinion..its just intention to share mine friend.
Best Regards,
Faraday88.

Hi Faraday,
So component 36 is not a trigger or anything to do with a trigger, it represents the physical conductor (wire) which is a sub component of component 28 called a voltage generator in the patent, it's the inductor. These patents have to spell everything out so it is a reference to making the inductor with coiled wire. We are not using the inductor as an inductor in the traditional sense however, we are actually using it as a magnetic field generator by driving it instead of collecting with it (at least in the forward path). It then becomes a capacitor and eventually a generator of sorts.

I really don't want to turn this into a pissing contest but the reason Mr. Bedini harped on the trigger so much as you have said was because people were mystfied by it's function and constantly made misguided statements about it, hence the push to learn what it really does.

(This is a bit of the kind of crap that made Mr. Bedini harp on learning the triggers function, but heh what the hell)
Now in the context of a bike wheel setup their are variables that can and do make the trigger help or hurt the situation. The trigger can cross induct from the power winding and cause oscillation that has nothing to do with the magnets that caused the initial trigger. Many people discovered this when they came to find that their wheel has stopped but the machine is still charging. It is also contributing to the circuit via induction through the base/emmiter junction and of course you have the added variables from the skin effects and the fact that the trigger is run opposite polarity from the power winding (Newman, Leedskalnin and others understood how to capitalize on that). I will stress however that any gains that can be added to the system via trigger magic are very hard to capitalize, just having a trigger winding present is not enough. A man like Mr. Bedini who spent a life tuning RF can achieve the correct balances but most hobby builders are not going to be able to do it.

My point is just that your previous statement implied that there is a different energy that can be tickled out with a trigger and this machine does not have one so although it's neat it's a different kind of output. I do not agree with that. It's fine for you to have your opinion and I don't want to silence your thoughts but that does not mean that when you say something I don't agree with I am not going to comment back.

Hey Bob,
That was excellent video and not to mention your neat set up of the charger.
However, i would like to stress on the gist of the switching mechanism and its implications to Radiant Electricity on how it is harnessed.. no body seems to co-relate its production as shown by John bedini. JB always maintained to encourage people to learn what the trigger did.. and at times when the trigger apparently not present, the form of the Radiant also changed.

[BobZilla]

Hi Bob,

You're having way too much fun with that 3-D printer!!

Enjoyed the video. That's a pretty sweet and novel little machine. I like that it switches without transistors and draws so little current. Looks like it might be able to go over unity?

Hi Gary,, good to see you pop in and comment. I will not make that claim publicly but as I have done in the past I can show what the machine does and let people draw their own conclusions ;0.

I didn't show in this video but I have made a battery tray that holds 8 AAA cells in parallel for charging. I have charged Ni-MH and Ni-Zn cells this way and they do very well and the draw is about the same. As you add more to the back the gains increase as you know. For this video I thought it more important to show a higher voltage on the back than the front which is very characteristic of a Bedini charger. In other words someone could see me charging a bunch of AAA (1.2v) from an 8v primary and say so what, but when they see 18v charging from an 8v then they know something special is happening. I would say though that if you look at the work being done there from 11ma both charging and turning the wheel it's pretty impressive to me at least.

Because of the resistance on the coils I can get away with bare metal switching on that reed and that exhibits some of the best characteristics you can ever find. Of course as you build larger it's not so easy to stay bare metal and that is why the transistors came into play but there is a slight capacitance at the junction of a transistor that does not give as clean of an off as bare metal. By they way I'm just speaking to the group at this point, not just barking stuff at Gary that he did not ask about, I think Gary knows all of this anyway ;-)

Brian and ED, also good to see you guys thanks for popping in. Faraday I will reply to you separately in your comment.

[Faraday88]

Hi Farady,
Glad you like it. Look this is a learning tool not a masterpiece. I have made this in it's simplest form on purpose and presented it as a "Toy" for a reason. I am well aware how these circuits work and have shown many times over just about every iteration of them. What I am trying to get you to understand is that this model is not supposed to explain all the mysteries that can be found. I may sound like I am angry with you but I am not, I just don't like your hinting that I do not understand something and warding off others from fundamental knowledge.

I would encourage you to go look at figure 1 of this patent and go ahead and read the operational description, then tell me it's misunderstood.

https://www.google.com/patents/US7990110

Hey Bob,
Sorry if i offended you..that was never my intention pal!! yes that patent I have been acquainted with for several years now...and the fig 1 Indeed depicts apparently simple ON-OFF switch and mechanical one in specific. but the same fig.1 also has a component 36 apparently a trigger's component how do think you can account for this component in your understanding of the simple switching you describe in your video with the reed switches.. Just my guess i feel the fig.1 and fig .2 are used in conjunction to each other.
your comments are valued in my opinion..its just intention to share mine friend.
Best Regards,
Faraday88.

[Brian McNece]

Another great video Bob. Great project in general.