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Patent #US7990110 FIG.1 - Replication

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  • Patent #US7990110 FIG.1 - Replication

    Greetings Friends,

    I have a new board to share with the group.

    This is as close of a replication of FIG.1 in Mr. Bedini’s Patent #US7990110 as can be obtained with automated switching. Mr. Bedini’s diagram is meant to explain the process of obtaining a spike and mechanical switching is represented. I have replaced the mechanical switch with a FET and a micro controller but no other additions have been made.

    Here is a picture of the board:

    FET_1.jpg

    The coil is fed at the “top” end from the primary pos.
    The “bottom” end of the coil connects to the drain of the FET, the source of the FET connects back to the primary neg. This is our switching point and it creates our closed loop.

    Extended from the drain we have the anode of the diode connected and the cathode connects to the charge Pos. This is where the spike appears and is our open path.

    The charge neg is connected to the Primary Pos.

    I have a 75V Neon across the charge POS/NEG which is not necessary for the circuit. It is only there as protection and as an indicator.

    The Gate of the FET connects to the microcontrollers logic signal (5v 20ma) through a 150 Ohm resistor. There is also a 10k Ohm resistor from gate to source.

    The switching is then controlled by programming the microcontroller with ON/OFF periods of the logic signal. The power source for the microcontroller is external to the circuit; I use USB battery phone charger to power the board currently. The estimated draw for the triggering is about 40ma; 20ma out for the signal and 20ma is used up by the chips onboard.

    This circuit is exhibiting some very interesting properties which I have not seen on other builds. For example it self adjusts to the load!

    It feeds the charge battery at precisely the correct pace to achieve a perfect charge, simultaneously self adjusting the draw from the Primary.

    As usual I have a video for those who wish to see more:

    https://files.secureserver.net/0s3zGg7AxRcbAS

  • #2
    Excellent vid!! Arduino are so great to use! this is an easy replication. you can get arduino from Fry's electronics, and other online retailers.

    Tom C


    experimental Kits, chargers and solar trackers

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    • #3
      Thanks Tom, appreciate the feedback.

      I have another short video to add to the thread here. This demonstrates running a load from the radiant side while charging a battery. In this case the load is a cooling fan for the FET.

      By the way when I watched these videos I notice I sometimes say Primary when I mean Secondary, anyway you guys should be able to understand what I am showing even with the mistakes.

      Here is a bonus video:

      https://files.secureserver.net/0sFcZuK3eNjHEl

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      • #4
        Originally posted by BobZilla View Post
        Greetings Friends,

        I have a new board to share with the group.

        This is as close of a replication of FIG.1 in Mr. Bedini’s Patent #US7990110 as can be obtained with automated switching. Mr. Bedini’s diagram is meant to explain the process of obtaining a spike and mechanical switching is represented. I have replaced the mechanical switch with a FET and a micro controller but no other additions have been made.

        Here is a picture of the board:

        [ATTACH=CONFIG]3559[/ATTACH]

        The coil is fed at the “top” end from the primary pos.
        The “bottom” end of the coil connects to the drain of the FET, the source of the FET connects back to the primary neg. This is our switching point and it creates our closed loop.

        Extended from the drain we have the anode of the diode connected and the cathode connects to the charge Pos. This is where the spike appears and is our open path.

        The charge neg is connected to the Primary Pos.

        I have a 75V Neon across the charge POS/NEG which is not necessary for the circuit. It is only there as protection and as an indicator.

        The Gate of the FET connects to the microcontrollers logic signal (5v 20ma) through a 150 Ohm resistor. There is also a 10k Ohm resistor from gate to source.

        The switching is then controlled by programming the microcontroller with ON/OFF periods of the logic signal. The power source for the microcontroller is external to the circuit; I use USB battery phone charger to power the board currently. The estimated draw for the triggering is about 40ma; 20ma out for the signal and 20ma is used up by the chips onboard.

        This circuit is exhibiting some very interesting properties which I have not seen on other builds. For example it self adjusts to the load!

        It feeds the charge battery at precisely the correct pace to achieve a perfect charge, simultaneously self adjusting the draw from the Primary.

        As usual I have a video for those who wish to see more:

        https://files.secureserver.net/0s3zGg7AxRcbAS
        Bonjour.
        Est ce que par exemple, le circuit peut fonctionner a partir d'une source d'alimentation fournissant 0,7 volts pour recharger une batterie de 12 volts?



        Hello.


        Is for example, the circuit can operate from a power source providing 0.7 volts to charge a battery of 12 volts?
        Regards
        Pour moi, le principal, dans le fonctionnement du systeme Bedini, est l'energie rayonnante (temps 7) laquelle a pour but de recharger la batterie primaire.

        Comment amplifier cette energie afin que la batterie primaire soit totalement chargée?



        PS: I do not understand the american's language.
        I call a google translation to try to communicate with you ....

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        • #5
          Hello.


          Is for example, the circuit can operate from a power source providing 0.7 volts to charge a battery of 12 volts?
          Regards
          NO ... The Primary is 12v,, charge also 12v

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          • #6
            Originally posted by BobZilla View Post
            NO ... The Primary is 12v,, charge also 12v
            Bonjour

            Merci de m'avoir repondu aimablement.

            Quelle sont les depenses de la batterie primaire lorsque la batterie secondaire est chargee?

            Merci de me repondre.

            Cordialement.



            Hello there

            Thank you for answering me kindly.

            What are the expenses of the primary battery when the secondary battery is charged?

            Thank you to answer me.

            Best regards.
            Pour moi, le principal, dans le fonctionnement du systeme Bedini, est l'energie rayonnante (temps 7) laquelle a pour but de recharger la batterie primaire.

            Comment amplifier cette energie afin que la batterie primaire soit totalement chargée?



            PS: I do not understand the american's language.
            I call a google translation to try to communicate with you ....

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            • #7
              Hello there

              Thank you for answering me kindly.

              What are the expenses of the primary battery when the secondary battery is charged?

              Thank you to answer me.

              Best regards.

              I need to do many more test runs to determine the efficiency. From what I have seen so far I would think a one to one ratio should be possible.


              I may run some charts on the primary and secondary voltage soon. I have been more interested in the frequency behavior as shown in the video. ----Thanks

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              • #8
                UPDATE:

                I have decided to take the fan power from the primary side, I will explain the issue I ran into.

                It did work well as I described but I found as I tinkered more with the machine and put different batteries on the charge side the effect would vary. I did start seeing a draw very slight but still it was there on the primary.

                For those who may want to tinker on their own I will explain in simple terms what I was doing to achieve that radiant power draw and charge at the same time. I had adjusted the resistance to the fan so that it would not spin until it saw about 15v. The spikes are coming in on pulses so what it was doing in theory anyway was being pulse driven off only the high potential spikes, in other words the off period the charge battery alone did not have enough voltage to drive the fan. In comes the spike and gives the fan a turn.

                It did work but tuning is problematic. I charge many different batteries of differnt sizes so when I started charging different batteries I adjusted my timing and it was not stable anymore. Perhaps in a static setup where nothing changes you could drive things in this way, it was a good addition to experiment with but because I adjust things a lot it was not going to work how I wanted over the long haul. I have now just hooked the fan to the primary with resistance so that it does not pull to much, I estimate about 50ma.

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                • #9
                  I have a charge curve to share with the group.

                  This is a 9v Ni-MH battery, the small kind you use on multi meters and smoke alarms. I wanted to show that this machine when properly tuned is capable of charging everything from the large deep cells down to a tiny little 9v and does it well.

                  Here is the chart:
                  FET_9v_charge.jpg

                  And another short video taken while I did this run:

                  https://files.secureserver.net/0sgGiU7VVaJh7E

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                  • #10
                    Greetings,
                    This is version two of this design. The first one was meant to be a prototype and as faithful to the FIG 1 diagram as possible. This new model is expanding on what was learned.

                    This model has two separate coils of 14AWG @ 40ft. The tops are connected parallel to the primary POS and the bottoms go to separate Diode/FET configurations. Each bottom connects to its own anode/drain. Then on the back end the cathodes are bussed together and connect to the charge POS. (See picture). In a way the whole thing is parallel but not really because the FET’s are each handling a coil before the parallel bus.

                    I used some larger heat sinks on this build and mounted diodes and FETs as a pair on each. Heat is not an issue with this system unless driving it pretty hard which I have not needed to do. I did when I was first finding its proper tuning however. I still have the fan on the board and continue to hook that to the primary.

                    Here is a picture from top side:
                    FET2_2.jpg

                    And this is a front view with the fan removed so you can actually see the circuit:
                    FET2_1.jpg


                    *EDIT*
                    Added a video showing a 150AH bank on the charge:
                    https://files.secureserver.net/0s4XFUQYw5kqhF
                    Last edited by BobZilla; 07-27-2014, 12:54 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Hey Bob Z,

                      Very interesting replication of the Bedini patent and your modern update has a lot of relevance from a tuning and control standpoint. Excellent job explaining the details!

                      Somehow I missed this last year - probably did a quick read on the first shot and figured it was over my head (which it was at the time). The read this morning opened up my eyes on the circuit. Your progressive explanation is excellent as a guide for replication. The intriguing aspect here is the radiant draw and simultaneous charge idea.

                      Intention here is to replicate this patent in your footsteps over the course of the next several months. Summer activities and work intrude on available play time here.

                      Big Thanks for another interesting direction and experiment,
                      Yaro
                      Yaro

                      "The Universe is under no obligation to make sense to you." -Neil Degrasse Tyson

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                      • #12
                        Hi Yaro,

                        Hey I'm glad you see some value in this. I actually have another version of this device built now which is a simplified version (component wise). It still uses a micro controller but the switching is handled slightly different. I will try to shoot a video tomorrow for you to have a look at. I went on to make many modifications and various test scenarios but this post never took off so I didn't bother sharing the progress.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by BobZilla View Post
                          Hi Yaro,

                          Hey I'm glad you see some value in this. I actually have another version of this device built now which is a simplified version (component wise). It still uses a micro controller but the switching is handled slightly different. I will try to shoot a video tomorrow for you to have a look at. I went on to make many modifications and various test scenarios but this post never took off so I didn't bother sharing the progress.
                          Hi Bob --

                          I would like to see more on this build also. I am now starting into the microcontroller stage of recording voltage and current values for my Bedini SG Machines. The next
                          step after that will be replacing the magnet wheel with a PWM chip that is controlled by a Raspberry Pi 2 B+. Keep the information flowing.

                          Thanks,

                          James

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                          • #14
                            Hi guys,

                            I did not forget about this, just been delayed. I lost my original program for the timing so I have been tweaking on that before I can show the new configuration.

                            James that sounds interesting. I have thought about using a raspberry in my projects as well.

                            The new version of this board is not really all that different but Istill want to show it. I replaced the original fets with a solid state relay. I like the relay so much I have thought about making a mechanical machine that uses them.

                            I will try to follow up soon on the modification to this board.

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                            • #15
                              Yaah Bob Z,

                              No pressure on you with this. When you get it back and up and running we will certainly look closely at it. The solid state relay concept appears to be intriguing - uncertain as to the frequency capabilities and response times, but if it works in this application then there are no immediate issues. Very nice!

                              My experience with these types of components has been more in the realm of industrial based PLC's and hardware. Typically very robust in capability, but oh so pricey.

                              James, amongst others, seems to be exploring the middle ground here between micro's and PLC's - the data acquisition side and subsequent manipulation of performance through software versus the traditional method of just electronic components. There is a lot to be said for this approach since the processing power, cost and size diminishment has exploded by orders of magnitude over the past 10 years.

                              In essence, it is extremely interesting to this observer how this marriage of electronics and software will impact the field of power magnification over the short term. IMHO you are pushing the right direction.

                              Looking forward to your latest,
                              Yaro
                              Yaro

                              "The Universe is under no obligation to make sense to you." -Neil Degrasse Tyson

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